Bohs Stewards

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Originally Posted by Colm

FACT is BSC are worse than any Rovers fans.

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Unfortunately though Colm, they usually hang around outside the ground so the Bohs stewards and the club itself can do little. The Gardaí are responsible for these areas but seem to ignore the threat until something happens.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you forgot to mention rovers in the list of clubs that proposed the database. funny that.

the thread to poxweb doesnt exactly start off as a self parody, does it? you went mental at the time and you still havent explained how and why the official bowezzzz website demanded its return?

we dont want to be in loyal orange phibsboro no more than most of you want us there, but to say we arent entitled to toilet facilities because we have no home ground is typical of the narrative that comes from the fans of the big pub. your ground literally fell apart around you and no-one can criticise your lack of ambition because... well its the home of irish football blah blah.

you cannot charge people 3,000 people e15 to stand in an uncovered stand with 1 chip van and whine when they object.

i agree, fair play to cork, the way they restrained themselves when some of the scurvy bsc squared up to them was admirable.

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1. we have had a crowd over 1500 on Connaught street 5 times in 5 years [Rosenborg, Shels twice, Spurs, Borisov]. Facilities arent acceptable but finance dictates that nothing can be done any time soon.


2. Cork fans from what I have found out werent exactly angels in this and while what happened was wrong, it wasnt exactly WW3. It happened outside the ground and although thats no excuse there isnt a lot Bohs can do. The FACTS are that 700 Cork fans were able to watch the game, enjoy our facilities in the Jodi and apart from a few minor incidents it was a good day for thema t least.


Who is in charge of Rovers security these days?

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you forgot to mention rovers in the list of clubs that proposed the database. funny that.

the thread to poxweb doesnt exactly start off as a self parody, does it? you went mental at the time and you still havent explained how and why the official bowezzzz website demanded its return?

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Actually the first post in the thread includes this line "It was a BSC flag, but thats irrelevant" suggesting that the post starter does not care for the BSC or their flag. The issue was the perceived abuse of trust by our tennents in stealing property from a secure area in Dalymount. This is also why the official website carried the story. As soon as it became clear that the flag was left lying around for anyone to find by some casual idiot the case was rightly dropped. Excellent use of the "pox" as a non-sequitur insult.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

but to say we arent entitled to toilet facilities because we have no home ground is typical of the narrative that comes from the fans of the big pub.

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I didn't say that. I said we can't afford to build an away stand with facilities to fully cater to all our visitors' needs. I also said that it's a shame that only one club's fans have to use that stand by FAI/Garda order and those fans are Rovers.

Rovers is also the only match where our own security team have to work in conjunction with FAI stewards and Gardai inside the ground.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you cannot charge people 3,000 people e15 to stand in an uncovered stand with 1 chip van and whine when they object.

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I remember paying £8 to stand on an uncovered terrace at Santry on a freezing cold January Sunday, soaked by driving rain and swamped by fog, with no chipper van at all and only a scoreline of 4-6 affording any form of comfort.

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Originally Posted by Philo

only a scoreline of 4-6 affording any form of comfort.

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I heard you left at 4-1??? :confused: :D

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Originally Posted by Peadar

I heard you left at 4-1??? :confused: :D

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No - I just went off in search of the people handing out Activ8 chewing gum at half time.

I can clearly be seen in the TV footage celebrating Mark Rutherford's winner wearing my Armani jeans, RL polo, Stone Island jacket and Aquascrotum cap!

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Originally Posted by Peadar

This would be the first post to have a warning issued on if they did.

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I was refering to this getting seriously off topic!

Can someone please put this thread out of my misery? Please? Rovers and Bohs rowing over how many casuals you fit on the head of a pin is like Republicans and Loyalists arguing - totally pointless. We think we're right and they think they're right. End of discussion.

KOH

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Can someone please put this thread out of my misery?

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But I'm enjoying people saying how great Cork City fans are. :D

You entertain us next Monday and I'm sure we'll be posting good things on Tuesday again. No reason why we wont.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

You entertain us next Monday and I'm sure we'll be posting good things on Tuesday again. No reason why we wont.

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Peadar - If we get 3 points out of Friday's game in Richmond, we'll entertain you alright. Personally I want Cork to win it for Rico's sake and because Cork are by far the best footballing team in the country. Plus, your 2nd league title won't put any of our records under imminent threat. Oh, and if Derry win it, Bohs might sneak into the Inter Two Bob.

KOH

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

2. Cork fans from what I have found out werent exactly angels in this

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Bullsh!t.

Whatever was started, no matter how minor, was started by little scumbags from your side loitering in the alleys around your stadium waiting for City Fans on their own to walk by.

Do you expect people to lie on the ground and take a beating or do you expect them to defend themselves?

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Originally Posted by tiktok

Bullsh!t.

Whatever was started, no matter how minor, was started by little scumbags from your side loitering in the alleys around your stadium waiting for City Fans on their own to walk by.

Do you expect people to lie on the ground and take a beating or do you expect them to defend themselves?

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Exactly, if the BSC dish it out they've got to be able to take it when people defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by tiktok

Bullsh!t.

Whatever was started, no matter how minor, was started by little scumbags from your side loitering in the alleys around your stadium waiting for City Fans on their own to walk by.

Do you expect people to lie on the ground and take a beating or do you expect them to defend themselves?

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thats not what I said.

Fro what I was told by a few people who were there, some Cork fans got involved when they shouldnt have. I am not making excuses for what our idiots did.

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Originally Posted by pete

Why do these threads always get hijacked by Bohs v Rovers "discussions"?

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A gypo started whinging:rolleyes: Another one then says that the Ultras are the troublemakers. Proof positive of their lack of knowledge.

Ask the Derry fans about how their flags were spat on when they were there last time and the stewards did nothing about it.

Hilarious too that they whinge and moan about having us as tenants but when we're gone next season they will miss our rent.

They have a new "Dalymount Trust" yet they couldn't be bothered cleaning up the mess that is the connaught st side:rolleyes:

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

A gypo started whinging:rolleyes: Another one then says that the Ultras are the troublemakers. Proof positive of their lack of knowledge.

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Whinging? :rolleyes: I was merely agreeing that stewards at Dalmount do a great job which meant an enjoyable afternoon of football (result apart) at Dalymount with a large number of visiting fans in the stand alongside 1500 Bohs fans. The only game where we have a problem is the Rovers fixture - equally to blame are the BSC and the Rovers casuals, which is a sad state of affairs that has ruined what should be the most fanatically supported Dublin derby.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Ask the Derry fans about how their flags were spat on when they were there last time and the stewards did nothing about it.

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This is the first I've heard of it, but it's not like Bohs fans queue up to spit on flags at matches - there are a few idiots and we don't deny their presence but aren't happy with it. Derry fans generally seem OK with us and we with them so there's no need for this collective blame game bollócks. I've been spat on before and I take that a lot more seriously than the flag incident but this is the first time I've ever mentioned it in public.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Hilarious too that they whinge and moan about having us as tenants but when we're gone next season they will miss our rent.

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What wrong with that? We hate you and you hate us. What club in Ireland doesn't need money?

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

They have a new "Dalymount Trust" yet they couldn't be bothered cleaning up the mess that is the connaught st side

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Connaught St is only regularly used for one set of supporters and hopefully it will be replaced with a new stand... but who knows when that will happen - we're not exactly flush right now. What's the point of putting tens of thousands of Euros into a wreck with an uncertain future? The Dalymount Trust is maximising the potential of what Bohs have for the long term benefit of the club. Seriously, get over it :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Philo

Whinging? :rolleyes: I was merely agreeing that stewards at Dalmount do a great job which meant an enjoyable afternoon of football (result apart) at Dalymount with a large number of visiting fans in the stand alongside 1500 Bohs fans. The only game where we have a problem is the Rovers fixture - equally to blame are the BSC and the Rovers casuals, which is a sad state of affairs that has ruined what should be the most fanatically supported Dublin derby.

Here is your exact quote: "Funny how we can let Cork fans sing away without any problems long after the match had ended but Rovers are still crying about the time 50 or so kids were taunting them (at their home match) with "Bohs til I die", forcing them to cause a crowd crush and invade the pitch." That is whinging about a game that happened 5 months ago and has nothing to do with this thread.

Connaught St is only regularly used for one set of supporters and hopefully it will be replaced with a new stand... but who knows when that will happen - we're not exactly flush right now. What's the point of putting tens of thousands of Euros into a wreck with an uncertain future? The Dalymount Trust is maximising the potential of what Bohs have for the long term benefit of the club. Seriously, get over it :rolleyes:

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Get over it?!:D

Tens of thousands? Dont think it would cost that much to clean it! You planning on using gold brushes or something?!

KOH

we arent asking for a glorious stand, just lthe little things like lights and toilets. how did that stand ever pass the most basic licence application?

if its acceptible, why did you refuse to take it for our 'home' game? or allow us to switch it to tolka?

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you cannot charge people 3,000 people e15 to stand in an uncovered stand with 1 chip van and whine when they object.

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i regularly pay €25 when I go and watch Conference North football over in England.

For that we generally get a 450 mile trip up to somewhere like Lancaster, Barrow or Workington to stand on an open terrace in the middle of winter, freezing our arses off and generally getting soaked - with no bar nearby, no toilets and no food - but we learn to put up with it because the club's cannot afford to upgrade their stadia at the moment.

We went to Grantham Town a few years back - they rent an Athletics Stadium.

The only food we could get - out of the one snackbar that was serving the whole ground was a Pot Noodle.

We learn to live with it - no use complaining - nothing can be done due to restriction of finances

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Here is your exact quote: "Funny how we can let Cork fans sing away without any problems long after the match had ended but Rovers are still crying about the time 50 or so kids were taunting them (at their home match) with "Bohs til I die", forcing them to cause a crowd crush and invade the pitch." That is whinging about a game that happened 5 months ago and has nothing to do with this thread.

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OK - thanks for backing up my point. I picked one game that still gets more than its fair share of comments from both sides but highlights the problems faced at some matches which aren't factors for security at other matches, such as the Cork City game on Monday. Are you able to read anything posted by a "Gypo" without taking offence?

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Get over it?!:D

Tens of thousands? Dont think it would cost that much to clean it! You planning on using gold brushes or something?!

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If an independent group of Rovers fans had raised a considerable amount of money in a short space of time and wanted to use it productively would they spend it on cleaning an old terrace that's only used a couple of times a season and is practically condemned or would they concentrate on improving those facilties that bring more money into the club on a longer term basis?

The problem with football clubs in Ireland is that none of them have had any form of long term view to benefit the clubs. The hand to mouth (player's pocket) existence has resulted in the shambles we have today. I'm not a part of the Dalymount Trust but I'm glad they're thinking along the right lines for providing us with a future.

If a one stand Tallaght stadium opens in the near future, where will Bohs fans be housed? What basic faciltities will we have to endure? How will the game be stewarded?

Who is in charge of Rovers security these days anyway?

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Originally Posted by Philo

OK - thanks for backing up my point. I picked one game that still gets more than its fair share of comments from both sides but highlights the problems faced at some matches which aren't factors for security at other matches, such as the Cork City game on Monday. Are you able to read anything posted by a "Gypo" without taking offence?

If an independent group of Rovers fans had raised a considerable amount of money in a short space of time and wanted to use it productively would they spend it on cleaning an old terrace that's only used a couple of times a season and is practically condemned or would they concentrate on improving those facilties that bring more money into the club on a longer term basis?

The problem with football clubs in Ireland is that none of them have had any form of long term view to benefit the clubs. The hand to mouth (player's pocket) existence has resulted in the shambles we have today. I'm not a part of the Dalymount Trust but I'm glad they're thinking along the right lines for providing us with a future.

If a one stand Tallaght stadium opens in the near future, where will Bohs fans be housed? What basic faciltities will we have to endure? How will the game be stewarded?

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Are you able to post something without referring to Rovers? Considerable amount of money?! To clean up the ground. Ever hear of a brush?

When we get to Tallaght we'll let you know then. As the ground will be built by the council ask them.

KOH

So back to the original point. Cork fans are great and B.E.S.T are great. Good enough for me.

And I'm only a little bit feisty!

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Are you able to post something without referring to Rovers? Considerable amount of money?! To clean up the ground. Ever hear of a brush?

When we get to Tallaght we'll let you know then. As the ground will be built by the council ask them.

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So what you're saying is that you have no point to make and you can't answer questions or respond to reason in a similar fashion.

You clown.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

but do you? name one other club in this country that allowed a hooligan flag to fly and then on the clubs official website demanded it back? bear in mind you are a members club. bohs credibility on this is dubious to say the least. banned anyone recently?

i am not associated with the rovers hoolies, but the bsc flag getting lifted was hilarious. trophies come with the territory.

you are talking out of your arse

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Who is in charge of Rovers security these days?

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Who is in charge of Rovers security these days?

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These two are

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

These two are

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They lost the contract.
These boys are in charge now...

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Originally Posted by Peadar

They lost the contract.
These boys are in charge now...

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Ah yes - the "403 Forbidden" Brothers :D

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

the "403 Forbidden" Brothers :D

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Eh? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Philo

So what you're saying is that you have no point to make and you can't answer questions or respond to reason in a similar fashion.

You clown.

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Respond to reason from you who started this nonsense?:rolleyes: I have answered your questions and was making a valid point re your ground but no you have to respond by name calling.

Next time you see me why dont you say that to my face?


KOH

we know our ground is a kip, but we are broke, we have absolutely no money to do anything.

Now, can any hoopp tell us who is in charge of the rovers match day security these days?

*Rings up Jeremy Paxman*

"You doing anything at all this Friday night Jezza? We've got a question that we need you to ask for us..."

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

we know our ground is a kip, but we are broke, we have absolutely no money to do anything.

Now, can any hoopp tell us who is in charge of the rovers match day security these days?

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what is your obsession with our security? you want a job or something? repeating the question wont make it interesting.

we changed to goldcard (i think thats what they are called) around the time of the fans takeover. since then there have been 2 incidents involving our fans which have resulted in 10 bans.

what have your club done to curb the obvious increase in BSC activity this season? gone onto the web demanding their flag back. bohs credibility on this is less than zero.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Respond to reason from you who started this nonsense?:rolleyes: I have answered your questions and was making a valid point re your ground but no you have to respond by name calling.

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You haven't actually answered any questions and the "you clown" is a facetious response to your brush comment. Just for your information I've spent weekends in Dalymount power-hosing terracing and painting steps and exits. Connaught St needs structural improvements to bring it up to scratch and Bohs do not have the money to build new toilets and re-wire the stand and concourse. My point is that if it weren't for the actions of a few from both sides, Rovers fans could enjoy the same level of comfort afforded to supporters of other teams.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Next time you see me why dont you say that to my face?

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Oh no, A thinly veiled threat! :rolleyes:

I'll gladly discuss all of this with you next time we meet. You might even have thought of something worth saying by then.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

what have your club done to curb the obvious increase in BSC activity this season? gone onto the web demanding their flag back. bohs credibility on this is less than zero.

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The flag nonsense is already explained in earlier in the thread.

Bohs have bans in place on several individuals and these bans are enforced at both home and away matches. Bohs security team travels to all away matches to ensure those with bans do not get into the ground.

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Originally Posted by Philo

You haven't actually answered any questions and the "you clown" is a facetious response to your brush comment. Just for your information I've spent weekends in Dalymount power-hosing terracing and painting steps and exits. Connaught St needs structural improvements to bring it up to scratch and Bohs do not have the money to build new toilets and re-wire the stand and concourse. My point is that if it weren't for the actions of a few from both sides, Rovers fans could enjoy the same level of comfort afforded to supporters of other teams.

Oh no, A thinly veiled threat! :rolleyes:

I'll gladly discuss all of this with you next time we meet. You might even have thought of something worth saying by then.

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I know being a gypo makes you slow but surely you could try reading my responses. You asked about Tallaght and I answered. Facetious is a big word for a gypo!

I'll see you at the next NLSA meeting then;) and if it's on in one of your bars you might use some of our rent money to turn on the heat this time!


KOH

philo:
what is the capacity of the jodi?
what is the average attendance at the derby?
thats the reason we are in the connaught.
you are saying bohs cannot afford to put in toilets and lights in the second biggest stand? things must be worse than we thought.
and you havent explained why the OFFICIAL bohs website demanded the bsc flag back. why was it taken down if its all so innocent.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

...you havent explained why the OFFICIAL bohs website demanded the bsc flag back. why was it taken down if its all so innocent.

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Does this not explain that?

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Originally Posted by Philo

The flag issue was put on the website because at the time it was thought Rovers broke into a locked area of Dalymount to get the flag - abuse of tennancy. That's now known not to be the case and no one really gives a shít.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Does this not explain that?

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was he not referring to gypoweb forum? thats what the link was to....

even if we accept that it still stinks of conivance between bohemians the club and bsc the hooligans.

so until that link is broken, asking questions about our security is laughable.

when was the last of the bans issued at bohs?

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

was he not referring to gypoweb forum? thats what the
link was to....

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Try this one for size...

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Originally Posted by Philo

The issue was the perceived abuse of trust by our tennents in stealing property from a secure area in Dalymount. This is also why the official website carried the story. As soon as it became clear that the flag was left lying around for anyone to find by some casual idiot the case was rightly dropped.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

even if we accept that it still stinks of conivance between bohemians the club and bsc the hooligans.

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Yawn.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

when was the last of the bans issued at bohs?

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Two bans were issued after the game against Pat's at Dalymount on 3rd October (I think that's the right match).

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Facetious is a big word for a gypo!

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And "big" is a big word for a hoop.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

I'll see you at the next NLSA meeting then;) and if it's on in one of your bars you might use some of our rent money to turn on the heat this time!

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If you're cold next time, I'll sell you a scarf.

If you're cold next time, I'll sell you a scarf.[/QUOTE]

Tell you what I'll bring that flag that apparently went missing and together with the scarf we can have a nice bonfire...........


KOH

Philo, the bans were dished out after the 'pitch invasion' celebrating our goal against Derry back in mid september.



NY Hoop etc, The reason I ask about the Hoops security is that I witnessed an altercation at a recent hoops home game over who was and wasnt banned after you had a punch up amongst yourselves in the Brandywell and the security threatened to quit if the new hoops board didnt enforce the bans.

As for BSC activity, what they do outside Dalymount Park is no, never has been, and never will be the responsibility of Bohemian FC.