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Now, fat dancing monkeys I'd pay to see.
On another note, I read in the paper that their new single has been recorder by 103 different artists since it was written in 2001. The two boys who wrote it call it their 'pension song', and can happily retire now.
You seem to have a serious chip on your sholder..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Get over it..
Some people enjoy listening to their albums and I don't think anyone has the right to tell them what the should and shouldn't like
And on you comment on "ah sure aren't they Irish and isn't it great" it doesn't matter where they are from they are singing songs that people enjoy and make people happy and making good money for it Fair play to them I say no matter where they're from..
On you point that they are giving lousy messages and example to kids - thats crap
are they doing and promoting drugs and drink?
are they repeatedly using foul language?
have any of them been arrested for murder?
NO they haven't sorry where are the giving a 'lousy' example :rolleyes:
Fair play you don't like them yourself thats grand everyone has a right to an opinion!
I was working in Mindanao in the Philippines four years ago, on the way to a meeting with miners in a mountain village.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
The driver decided to stop at a village on the way for coffee and we went to the house of one of his friends.
On the wall there was a poster of the lovely lads. I had reached this place by flying Dublin-Bangkok-Manila-Zamboanga; 3-4 hours by jeep to a town called Ipil and two hours by jeep up a mountain track - and there they were.
I pointed to the poster and said, 'Westlife are Irish'.
'No', said the guy who owned the house, 'they are American. Like the Bee Gees'.
Sligo is safe from any association in that corner of the world!
I have no chip on my shoulder. I'm just drawing the line under being magnanimous and accomodating about their sh1te and the sh1te of others of their ilk. I'm done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
They are a cash cow, a front, a franchise -and they deflect attention away from quality music ...even quality pop music what little there is of it.
As for telling people what they should and shouldn't like -the organisations for which these guys are the front I refer to do this every day of the week "Once in a while a song comes along that captures the heart of a nation" Will they ever fcuk off like.
Finally -in regards giving good, bad or lousy example to anyone -I'd have to start with there assinine, homogenised, elevator music. That gives absolutely appalling example to anyone and has the effect of closing kids off to other musical influence as they and their kind have contributed to the middle of the road narrowing to no wider than the white line.
I don't read smash hits, the tabs or the glossies so I'm not particularly up to speed on whether they like to get smashed, use illicit substances or whatever -and frankly so long as they do it behind closed doors -I can't give a rats ass if they sniff glue through a home made bong.
I did notice though that McFadden was held up as some sort of a victim on the news recently after he'd a speeding charge (clocked doing 120+MPH on the M50) thrown out due to unseemly delay or some other nonsense.
If he flipped burgers in super macs I have my doubts that'd have happened.
Oh I forgot he's not in Westlife anymore. He 's a "serious" artist now -W@nker!:rolleyes:
If your 'done with it' why don't you just ignore them, instead of going on and on and on and on about them...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Its obvious now you secretly love them and your embarrassed to admit it..
its ok you can get counselling so you can learn not to be ashamed of your feelings ;)
And about Brian McF court appearance, I think its our legal system you should be criticising for that one not Westlife who have nothing to do with it :rolleyes:
I said I'm done with being magnanimous and accomodating of them and their ilk. Three posts is hardly going on and on. I don't think I'm repeating myself either. I think what they're involved in is an evil of sorts and it should be named.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
Doubtless there's much for which I should be citicising our legal system. In this instance would you rather I should criticise it for
(a) not landing him in the 'Joy for a few nights,
(b) for not giving him a hefty community service order or
(c) for making it illegal to drive at 120+mph on the M50?
Your having a laugh 'evil' seriously come on!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
What exactly is evil about Westlife please tell me??
They sing songs which some people enjoy listening to and they are making a good wage out of it what is so wrong with that??
You can criticise the legal system for whatever you like but I don't think you can blame Brian McFadden or westlife for his case being thrown out of court:confused:
Eire if I start repeating myself now it's because you're asking me to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
Westlife -and to be fair a good few like them -are a corporate cash cow designed to separate little kids in partcular from what disposable cash they have as neatly as possible.
The companies behind them utilise an entire industry of childrens TV and media to do this and are quite cynical in how they go about it. For example -at the height of Westlifes popularity -some 3 or even 4 years ago now I'm guessing -if you went to westlifes website, as I'm sure many kids do, you met a frontpage that was predominanty pop-ups that led you to VIP area.
This was where you had to go get mommy and her Visa -because if you wanted to access anything of remote substance you had to pay for membership -kinda like a porn site. Legal yes. Cynical yes also.
But heh that's only money. It's the music I have the biggest "chip on my shoulder" about as you put it -and I have every bit as much right to consider it vile and destructive and -yes evil -as anyone else has to think it's fab.
There is a message contained not just in their horrible records but in their considerable success that people -and in particular young people pick up on their radar ...and that message is that if you want to get on in that business you'd better play it safe, take the easier path, hide your own personality behind a more "marketable" brand. (you see it any given week on X-factor with contestants being told to "just get up there and be yourself" when if they're truthful what they mean to say is "get up there and be the best Karaoke king/queen you can be").
Their music and their success tells kids that if you try to be yourself and try to express yourself in your own way -you'll be nailed, marginalised and ignored. Not making waves is the way to go.
That Eire -as far as I am concerned - is an evil and deserves to be named as such.
Oh dear God you need help!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Yes they advertise and make money from merchandise as do nearly every band that has a record contract you cannot criticise just Westlife for that, the likes of U2 and Greenday do the exact same to market themselves..
How are Westlife, their musin and their success telling kids that they have to act a certain way and that they can't express themselves?? Can you explain it because I can't see it and your comments are not making any sense..
I'd understand if you were on about the Prodigy's song 'Smack My b!tch up' promoting violence towards Women but Westlife come on all they do is sing a few Ballads:rolleyes:
Eire this is disintegrating into a really tired and tawdry handbags about how sh1te or not Westlife are.
I'm not explaining for a third time how and why I believe Westlife and their kind are a pox.
If you want to debate the considerable relative merits of The Prodigys 'Smack My Bitch Up' I suggest you start a new topic on it -where I'll be happy to joust. Stick on topic.
Hehe, I'm liking this debate:D :p. Good job Limerick are playing Galway United on Friday, than all matters should be resolved:p
I hope you set him straight and told him they were Irish?;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by REVIP
You have made no valid points on the matter and you know you were talkin crap..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
The point was not if westlife were any good or not.. you were trying to claim that they were evil and a bad influence ( you still haven't made any valid points to back that up) I was simply disagreeing with you..
I used the prodigy as an example to put a point across in this discussion so therefore it was keeping with the discussion topic..
Eire -I had just sacrificed much of my lunch break typing a response which added detail, colour and background to why Westlife are yet should not be celebrated in this country -when I accidently hit the back key and erased my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
As I'm not going to let four fat lads rob whats left of my lunch I'm going to sum up in one sentence.
Westlife embody the rush to the center ground that is killing music, destroying creativity, conditioning -dare I say GROOMING -kids to expect particular Barry Manilow-esque mundanity from their music and making sure ther'll only be coleslaw and dick sandwichs left in the canteen.
Still have to disagree, you under-estimate kids and over-estimating the effect Westlife have on them... Most kids I know listen to a wide variety of music, they usually start with whats in the charts at the moment but then they move onto appriciating other artists who don't make it into the single's charts.. The end up liking a lot of bandsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
and anyway most Westlife fans are now in their 20's or older
BTW you should enjoy your lunch away from your computer, its unhealty to be spending too much time online;)
oh and they're not fat:eek:
he he
A likely story;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
:D
Heh heh got the last chicken sambo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
I'm underestimating the kids? On what basis. There's voluminous evidence there that the kids buy what they're told to when told to go buy it. Record companies can literally bank on "the Kids" running out and buying particular types of records at particular times of year.
...in fairness - it lamentably extends beyond pop - Witness or Oxygen or whatever they're calling it next year is apparently close to sold out if you believe the hype -but the organisers haven't announced a single act for it.
Back O/T -I appreciate most Westlife fans are in an older bracket now but their inception is still the same as any other boyband - soppy muck targeted at 7-12 year olds who just happen to have grown up at this stage.
I hope you appreciate that anything I apply to Westlife I apply with equal disdain to any of their carbon copies and with increased disgust to the McFlys and Busteds who are an attempt by the industry to "mop up the stragglers" -boys in particular who find the Westlife type model too syrup-ie.
But much of my annoyance is with the way they're treated here in Ireland. A country that claims the likes of U2 (not a fan) to The Cranberries (not a fan) to Therapy (AM a fan) to Ash (nyih can take em or leave em) to Divine Comedy (am a fan) to The Thrills (not a fan) as it's own now that they've had some success did absolute jacksh1t to help any of them before they left here.
Yet when some shower hop up and start prancing like a bunch of tits and miming a Bee Gees song -they not only get the radio play and the TV appearances -they're interviewed as guests like they've done something remarkable.
The classic example of this is the disgraceful introduction of Boyzone to the Irish public on RTEs flagship programme 24 hours after they were formed in a room above a nightclub. I genuinely believe the producer should've been fired for it.
They'd never made a record, never performed anything anywhere and waltz onto the Late Late show. That's not "pull" and it's not "contacts" it's just wrong like.
Where were Whipping Boy that night?
Were there no actual bands out there who'd gone to the bother of producing something, who might've been up for a late late show slot that night?
Eire you're from Galway -where were Toasted Heretic? What stretch of dangerous back road were Toasted Heretic being bounced around in the back of a Hiace with no seats going to do a gig in some godforsaken hole while they could've been on the Late Late instead of half a dozen chavs with nothing to say? A disgrace so it was.
The Cranberries got about the same length feature as Boyzone did a month or two later -but The Cranberries had to get into the US top 10 first.
I'll say it again. We're a disgrace.
*clap clap clap*
Go Westlife, go Westlife! :D
Basically Eire06, Lionel Ritchie is just jealous of them. I think they're a nice bunch of lads, I appreciate them because they're from Ireland and they are sound lads, no arrogance or look-at-me! They are not setting a bad example to young people unlike some famous 'role models'...
Know them well do you?:confused:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Tribe
Kian Egan is one of the most arrogant pr!cks in the music industry at the moment;).
ill second that about Egan i dont know any1 in town that has a good word for him!
Lionel I still think think you have a totally wrong view of westlife... If they weren't there there would just be another band just the same in their place..
They have a talent and they are making money out of it fair play to them I'd do the exact same as them if I could..
Yes there is people who are better singers, dancers and musicians than them that cannot get that break in to the industry but that is not westlifes fault they got the chance to make it and they did
As for appearances on TV like it or not they are very popular by people young and old, and they are one of our country's highest selling music artists..
You are just simply a begrudger.. People enjoy their music like it or not ( And no they aren't all 'brainwashed' kids they are adults who are well able to distinguish between what they like and don't like despite the pushy advertising)..
Sorry to hear that but you can get antibiotics to clear it upQuote:
Originally Posted by noby
GT -the thing that just flew right over your head was the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Tribe
I don't know anyone in Westlife, don't want to know anyone in westlife and their individual characters and fortunes in life are a matter of utter indifference to me.
I couldn't care less if they give all their royalties to charity, make cocoa for their mammies at 10pm before toddling off to bed themselves and are sweet as honey to wee babies.
The institution they front, like many other carbon copies with different faces is, in my opinion, irredeemably a bad thing and they way it's celebrated in this country as some wonderful achievment on all our behalves, when it is patently not, is irredeemably worse.:cool:
as for no arrogance or look-at-me! -I'll take your word for it.;)
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Originally Posted by Eire06
See response to Green Tribe above -I'm bored with this Eire.
I'll just add that I agree with you on your first point that if it wasn't them it'd be someone else. That doesn't make it a good thing.
and for your last point
-begrudger and proud of it! Fcuk 'em -Fcuk 'em right in their ear.
Normally I couldn't care less what The Westlifes get up, good luck to them, to but I have to say that song is just poison.Quote:
"Every so often a song comes along that catches the heart of a nation"
"Burdened be" eh? Nice. Well I'm sure everyone can relate to having a burdened-be heart whenever troubles come so that's not so bad...Quote:
When I am down and, oh my soul, so weary;
When troubles come and my heart burdened be
What the f--:confused: Aren't mountains commonly measured by their elevation above sea level? In order to be raised up to walk on seas (and I'm not even going to start on the whole Westlife-think-they're-Jesus-they-can-walk-on-water-now thing...) they would have to be lowered from the mountain and deposited in some form of fortified cave below sea-level. In which case, who is this b@stard that's lifting them out of their cosy little hole and putting them out at sea IN THE MIDDLE OF A STORM!?!? :eek:Quote:
You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
Still, that chorus is catchy. So friggin' catchy they decide to repeat it around SEVENTEEN friggin' times in case we, as a nation, don't understand how much this bullsh!t song has "captured our hearts"!!!:mad:
testifah!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
My heart is less burdened be for that.
Now in the wise words of George Michael and S Club 7 let us all reach for every "mountain high"
They have no talent,infact they have no natural talent at all and are making money out of gullible punters and kids who fall for their airbrush cd covers and their fat good looks and btw we have enough dross in this country so don't even think about doing the same as them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
Jerry the Saint,
when I mentioned earlier that this song has been done by 103 different artists, it seems 102 of them are filed under "Christisn rock" or some such category
Thats just not true they can all sing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
No their not the best in the world but the can hold a note...
Its just childish you calling them Fat because they're not, they are fitter than the average Irish man :rolleyes:
No, but Kian's not my fav, so I don't pay attention to himQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
I think a lot of guys are jealous of boybands, although they slag their music etc and call them fat :confused: , you sound like a couple of bitter wee witches. They are jealous of the attention they get from women. And also a guy from your town/area that has done 'well' for himself creates a similar bitterness. It really annoys any guy if Westlife come on the tv and a girl goes "Ohhhh, Westlife, great" :D It's hilarious...
Have you got their posters on yer bedroom wall then:p,you seem very defensive:D .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
True, they can all sing...I doubt many of the begruders here don't know the first thing about singing or musical talent but just spout ignorant judgement about the subject from the sidelines....!
As for questioning the lyrics of the song a)Westlife didn't write the song so who are we slagging off here exactly??
b) "mountains...stormy seas" etc it's all metaphoric or maybe you're intelligent enough to see that but just like to take the p!ss anyway!
c) "burden be" etc....it's called song writing, it's an art, think of it like poetry-to-music, son. It's not meant to be a conversation from "the man in the street"
.....just to put an angle of reality to it all!
now, where did i put that copy of Hello??!
No my Boyfriend made me take them down :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
Are you intimidated by them you seem very critical?
I know how your boyfriend feels,I made my kids take them down aswell,now they thank me for it:D ,they have moved onto better music and nicer posters;) ,maybe you should move on aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
Move on how dare you :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
Child abuse! Your poor children should be alowed like any band they want to :eek:
I was just complaining about the unfair critisism the get from mainly Irish males..
I like a lot of different music, Westlife wouldn't be my favorite but I like some of the songs they sing
very very true Eire06. Shane ;) Mark ;) but the latter prefers men :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
haha, you miss out there so:p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Tribe
So ....................you have a favourite then? who is it then? the cuddly one, the broader one, the dumpy one or the ..um... fat lad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Tribe
Oh dear ...has anyone got a Kleenex? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire 06
This reminds me of a heady day in the summer of 1985 when I brought a similar debate with two 12 year old girls on my road to a crashing conclusion when I announced that "George Michael is nattin' but a steamer!!!". They might've ran home crying and yes, I was forced to apologise, but many years later -the argument was mine.:cool:
You know -if I were to recline on a leather couch with the back of my hand across my forehead in exhibition of how withered by it all I am ...and you were to sit across from me on an armchair, knowingly sucking on a biro, that little piece of straight-out-of-TV-Now pop psychology would have extra zest.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Tribe
said the actor to the bishop:eek: or is that a Westlife quote:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eire06