ill be looking out for Australia i suppose , Spain , Germany cos i might put a few quid on them to win and maybe England cos i like a few of their players.
Printable View
ill be looking out for Australia i suppose , Spain , Germany cos i might put a few quid on them to win and maybe England cos i like a few of their players.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
If you are a Hibs supporter then I would expect you to be cheering for the Scots judging by your own logic:confused:
If not then surely supporting a club doesn't obligate anyone to support the national team of where that club is based??!!!
Very narrow minded....
The Czechs. Usually play nice football and Nedved is a legend.
in case you didnt notice the Scots didnt qualify:) and im sure if they did then he wouldnt be cheering for their opposition in every gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
I'm sure you realise the point I was trying to make though!Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Have you taken on the role fending off logical arguments for Hibs4Ever then as well....god, you must have nothing better to do...well for some!:D
(note the small G in case "some people" view this as an insult to atheists - coz that's how ridiculous this site is becoming! - free speech on the internet my hole!):eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
Yes I do support the Scots when they play, even more so now as they average 5 or 6 Hibs players in every squad. I support the Scottish league, I'm not a hypocrite:p
If you need anymore help just tell me what it is you don't understand and I'll try help you out!
Would love some "help" as you put it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
My question was:
"..... supporting a club doesn't obligate anyone to support the national team of where that club is based??!!!
What's the rationale against this exactly? Detailed answer required to "help" me out!!!:rolleyes:
In supporting an ENGLISH club, you are supporting ENGLISH league, and ENGLISH players, and when you support the club in Europe you are cheering on European succes to ENGLAND. So when you say you support EVERYONE who plays AGAINST ENGLAND it makes you a hypocrite:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
Bottom line is you don't go and support your rivals,do you support Hearts when they are in Europe as you say you support the Scots league??,how many supporters of different English clubs wanted Man utd to fail last week and some of the same supporters will be following England in the Summer.Thats football,get over it, not everybody that follows the English leagues wants the national team to do well and that includes many English,why should the Irish be different.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
WHAT is your comparison here? That I should support Hearts!! WHY? What link do Hibernian have with them thats so great that I should support hearts??? I really don't get your point here:confused:
You say you support the Scottish league,Hearts are in the Scottish league the last time I looked anyway, and are Hibs biggest rivals are they not?.So by your theory if Hearts where playing in Europe all Scottish league followers (including their rivals Hibs)should support Hearts.My point is you cannot jump on the bandwagon and start to support your nearest rivals no matter what club or country.I follow Leeds and will not be supporting England in the World cup, and you'll find it's club over country for most English aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
That's a pathetic, childish and naive argument to make!
How you can make the leap from supporting a club through "supporting...English palyers" to the "cheering on European success to England" is nothing short of startling! You're vision is very blurred my friend - you are clouding a very simply issue by clutching to you're perception that people cannot differenciate between a club and a country. It is you who needs "help".
If I supported Bolton should I not be support all the national teams of all their international players? By you're ill-thought through suggestion the answer must be yes! The amount of foreign players in the Premiership now is phenomenal so you're "English players" thing falls flat on it's face!
You're opinion on this is so black and white (support club therefore must support country) that it only serves to show how A) you have not thought it through properly of B) you aren't capable of A).:D :rolleyes:
For me will have to be T&T as they have taken NI mantle as the smallest nation to have ever qualified. And also because you like to see the small teams do well and hopefully a wee upset against England can occur.
Fact remains despite all those foreign players you would still be supporting an english clubQuote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
And....? This has to do with supporting the national side does it?
Hibs4Ever used the "English players" as part of HIS argument!
I think it's a hollow argument but if you get your kicks out of HIS arguments (and esp. defending them) then knock yourself out buddie:D :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
HIS arguement from HIS very first post is that it is still supporting an ENGLAND club, therefore ENGLAND football. Really don't understand what you don't get here
Don't worry about it son...we'll agree to disagree on the whole thing! Though I couldn't help noticing you're avatar is FAI and you would suggest the Swiss and Ingerland as rivals for the ROI;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
when the Scots are playing again I'll look out for the Hibs supporter wearing a kilt in Inchicore then!!;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
Of course its FAI crest :confused: And why would I be wearing a kilt :confused:
Anyway, as you say, we'll agree to disagree
Many people on here have tried to twist and turn this to somehow suit their own ridiculous arguments.
It's familiar to me because I've heard it so many times.
Usually I just ignore them or change the subject to something less tiresome, such as the weather.
There are a couple of simple facts here.
Supporting an English football club and then actively supporting any team who plays against England makes you a hypocrite!
No one expects that you should support England simply because you own a Liverpool pencil case, but others are entitled to take exception to the vehemence with which you purport your anti England sentiments.
England has been mentioned as a rival to us but those unfortunates failed to read the topic title or simply ignored the fact that Ireland haven't qualified for the World Cup 2006. We're a rival to no one and no one a rival to us.
The good people of England don't need your "support" but I certainly hope, for the sake of our reputation as a nation, that they never hear your opinion.
As I have always been interested in English football I will be cheering them on for the World Cup.
I'll be supporting Portugal as I'll be there for 3 weeks during the WC:D
Great post Peadar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Well said Peadar!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
For myself, I'll be shouting for South Korea as I've been living here for the last three years.Don't think they'll do as well as 2002 though.
Australia will be my second team because most of my mates here are Aussie. Man, they're over the moon with qualifying.Hope they can cause a few upsets!
Jamaica is alot smaller than NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dassa
Trinidad and Tobago.Any chance that they'll have two ex LOI players in the squad ? Avery John and Derek Phillips.
I'll be looking out for any nation with an Arsenal player playing so i guess that's Switzerland, Sweden, Ivory Coast, France, England, Germany, Spain, Holland. ( i must admit however to drawing the line when it came to supporting Igor Stephanovs Latvia at Euro 2004!!)
For purely selfish reasons however, I hope they all play well but get knocked out early(ish) (preferably thanks to a mistake by a Spurs player! ;) ) so that they can have a little rest before the new season starts. we've a terrible record in season's following major championships and I don't want to hear the 'we are tired' argument again!!!
On a serious note though, I'd like to see Spain, Holland or England go far - someone different from the usual suspects like Germany, Argentina, Brazil or Italy.
Avery John, barring injury, will be gaurenteed a place in their starting 11 and has been for ages. So I'm up for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenderloins
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Another ridiculous post from peader the ladder:rolleyes:
I've doubts about your Irishness lad:confused:
No one else on here, kisses Tan arse as much as you!!
Reckon you spent too long in Reading, with the middle English lot.
There's an arrogance and attitude in your tongue that's certaintly not Cork!
;)
I'll tell you one thing if that muppet Staunton gets the Irish job it will be a long time before we support Ireland in a world cup again He is definitely one of the ole ole brigade. It would be an absolute joke...Walsalls assistant manager! Also how could the players trust him after what went on in Saipan?
Ole ole brigade??? Explain that. He stood by his manager when someone decided that the WC wasnt for him:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
But agree that anyone who goes for the job should have managerial experience.
KOH
According tho the CIA World FactbookQuote:
Originally Posted by Snoop Drog
The population of Jamaica is
2,731,832 (July 2005 est.)
According to the 2001 census the population of Northern Ireland is
1,685,267
Jamacia may be smaller in area but I'm sure the stat referred to population which is afterall what matters when having a choice of players.
NY Hoop, I thought that you as a loi supporter would have known what the ole ole brigade was. Essentially it is the sort of clowns who go along with the "a sure we'll give itv a lash" train of thought. Those very idiots who painted a pathetic picture after we lost the final Euro 2004 Qualifier singing you'll never walk alone, with scarves raised after one of the worst Irish performances in recent years. Its the shower who love to have singalongs with the Matt hollands of this world......ah yes. The FAI probably have Staunton lined up with Pat Kenny as his assistant...what a joke. I shall never look at one of our games if he gets the job JOKE JOKE JOKE
Believe you me I know well who the ole ole brigade are. Havent been to lansdowne in a decade because of them and dont miss it. But how is Staunton, an ex player, part of the ole ole brigade? He made his debut in 88 before the gravy train started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
KOH
Ah yes the good old FAI!!!!!!!! What an absolute joke...The Red Haired one as our new manager. He has no personality, he has learnt his managerial trade under Paul Merson at Walsall for God's sake and was one of the the most overrated players since the early Charlton era. Its sick. I suppose when he is sacked after failing miserably it will be Houghton's turn. Then Bonner, then Quinn, then Mcateet.....oh yes Jack's boys are still doing well.
This is by far the FAI's most ludicrous decision (if its confirmed-as now looks likely) in a lomg time
SICK SICK SICK
I bet Steven Carr is really regretting his decision to retire now
When Staunton fails, Quinn will probably get the job, then Mcateer, then houghton....oh Jack's lads Its a f***** sick joke
Keane and steven carr must be having some laugh now! why in the name of jaysus would you want to get involved in the Irish set-up now?
To play for your country:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
All of the names you mentioned have no experience so should not get the job. They should give it to Robson who has been there and done that.
KOH
If I said that to you there'd be a huge debate about "Proper Irish" and all that 2G stuff. No need to worry about me. I'm comfortable enough with my Irishness to be able to embrace other cultures and nationalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo
It doesn't make me any less Irish because I cheer for one of the only teams where I can identify every single player.
whoever england are playing ill support ......... other than that brazil
I don’t agree at all with that. english clubs play in england, that’s just about the limit of their connection to the english national team. Most of the premier league clubs have as many non-englishmen as englishmen playing for them, many have non-english managers or even be owned by non-englishmen. Each club has time and time again shown that they don’t give a tinker’s cuss about the national team, but just their own selfish interests. Wimbledon even tried to move countries. england is a multi-cultural country with numerous different communities with lots of different loyalties, so even within england there are plenty who don't support the national side but are extremely loyal to their local community and team. I see no hypocracy in someone in Ireland supporting an english club side but not the english national team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Fair enough, england aren't rivals in the forthcoming competition but older rivalries still exist – if only local rivalries, aren’t we entitled to those? Celtic are out of the cup but they’re still in Glasgow, so aren’t they entitled to continue with their attitude to Rangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
That's not what I said. I never said people should support England if they support an English club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hither green
Why did you need to mention the Glasgow clubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hither green
Is your rivalry argument based on sectarianism?