In fairness pete, Dundalk play on Thursday's so you should have added Thursday in too;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
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In fairness pete, Dundalk play on Thursday's so you should have added Thursday in too;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Ya but how many away fans can get to dundalk on a thursday night.They really should change.I prefer G.U.F.C matches to be played on a friday night in Terryland but a Saturday is much easier for going to away games.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Thursday isn't the weekend. Imagine if the country pandered to Dundalk in other areas. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
IMO saturday evening bad option is most peoples big night out of the week & football support dress code isn't usually appreciated in bars & clubs.
Not too sure about that poll. All games should'nt be on same time. Agree about the live game being out on its own. Irish League teams are just used to playing saturday afternoons. Absolutely nothing to do with floodlights as they have had lights for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Sat night and sunday afternoons.
KOH
Saturday evening to accomodate for travel time.
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Originally Posted by noby
That's why it is a self-interest "me fein" mentality. You'd think you could only go out on Saturday nights? :rolleyes: If Saturday is your only night free, and there's a game on, couldn't you "socialise" before the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Early indications from the poll shows that Saturday nights are going to win hands down. So why do most clubs insist on playing at home on Friday nights?? :confused:
The sensible ones dont play on Friday nights.
from a selfish point of view, i used to really enjoy fridays - few pints after work, stroll up the road, enjoy the game, and then head out for a few pints afterwards. always a great way to start the weekend.
clubs that play on fridays, i'd imagine would lose out short-term, but once the new kick-off times established, either a three pm, or an evening kick off would work better if all teams went along with it - but it should be a case of all or nothing.
Stupid post.We play on a friday because it's when we get our biggest home crowds.With the exception of Sligo no other 1st Division team has brought an away support to terryland,therefore the club will not change the games to allocate for the possibilty that some clubs might bring a handfull of fans.Saturday night would have to be considered if we got promoted because large away supports would definitely travel to galway but i'm not sure would that suit the home fans.If you look at the poll it doesn't look like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
Yes that's right, lads who DO go to games and who DO care enough to talk about game ko times on an internet forum are the the ones at fault for the current state of the league... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Now there's a great criterion on which to organise football fixtures. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Because thanks be to God, a gang of 14 nerds don't run the eircom League or any of its clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
How is it a stupid post when you have just agreed with me in regaurds to saturday nights???:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
Saturday afternoon wud be ok i suppose frm a selfish p.o.v. coz I could bring me daughter she's only three and has been to a couple of games at the home of irish footie and luved it (v's Dreamteam and the intertoto game this season)
But I think if it aint broke dont fix it gates are down at the moment and i feel that the wrong decision could bring them down further
the league needs to maket itself better to get people out of the boozers and and into their local clubs changing the day of the game is just papering over the cracks
I agree with Saturday been better in general for the league but your post implied that all clubs should play then.For GUFC Saturday would be ****e!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
Its a pain in the hole trying to constently get time off work, Saturday evening would be best imo, plenty of time to travel to away games! As someone posted before, some Rovers fan (Shamrock) Fridays be used for local derbies!
Ok,point noted.
BTW i think all clubs should play on the same day,in both divisions and therefore creating more media coverage the next day in the papers.This will sell the Eircom League to the barstoolers,who lets face it will be reading to see what their LOCAL english team had for lunch yesterday and all the other sh!te that tabloids talk.
What a nonsense poll with no Thursday option... Off to Oriel Park in half an hour for my Thursday night football :)
Although given the choice I would pick Friday! :D
Ya good luck with that, hopefully you'll come back dissapointed:)Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
I don't think so, you are due a good whipping! :) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Friday night works. Friday brings the crowds. 'Setting a day aside' like some people say is just pie in the sky nonsense. The Eircom League is not developed for that. Friday night is the unique time for football here. Saturday is automatically associated with the Premiership. Sunday GAA/Premiership/La Liga. Who/where else plays on a Friday night that can compete...?
Let's walk before we can run lads. There is an awful lot more important stuff to be changing than the day of the matches in the EL. Fixing it though it's not broken doesn't help and only distracts us from more important stuff.
So what if we can't travel to Derry or Cork or to the Sligs? That's our tough luck - that's the advantage of being at home. Spanish sides play with very little away support - you don't see them changing their match days..
It is not a 'mé féin mentality' either..it is plausible, rational thinking to keep the status quo on at least one or two things in the league. ::) Playing on Saturdays/Sunday evenings is at best an experiment and a potentially costly experiment as some people from Cork might have already said with Dublin teams. It'd just be another mess we'd have to clear up.
Playing late at night is ridiculous. How late do you want to leave it?? What chance of any coverage the day after of a match late at night? What chance of attracting families? Young children would have to be up until the late late hours if you're away and 11ish if you're at home. That's simply not going to happen. This is the mé féin mentality, imo - play it when it suits me and people like me. I won't be able to get to the game then, so change it.
I prefer Sunday afternoon matches, but I know Friday works. So that's when it should be on. All matches should be on at the same time, imo. We can then get a concentrated amount of people going the same day, the same time. It creates impetus in the media the next day - plenty of stories rather a game with a 1,000 played one night, a game with 1.5k the next and a game between Dundalk and Monaghan played in front of three dogs and four sweet wrappers and a steward the next. Where is the incentive to report those games?
The most important thing is: Let's try and build the EL on foundations...stop moving the goalposts. This needs to be changed; that needs to be changed etc. We can't change everything just to experiment with something else untested.
Total agreement with thatQuote:
Saturday night. Makes it a lot easier for travelling
Are you sure they couldn't do a better job? :confused: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
I could think of a few clubs where they could! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Very selfish point of view - saturday afternoons at 5 - give plenty of time for pre match boozing and post match boozing :) .
Though seen as we get our best gates friday nights, ill stick to fridays but with a change to 8pm kick offs (might be tough on some away supporters but clubs have to look at maximising their overall gates)
Don't see how 15 minutes would make that much of a difference. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
It would give the away fans more time to run around Dalymount looking for a fcuking ticket:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
For me i would prefer Saturday night games as you can make a day out of an away trip and have a few pints before hand in comfort.I know that this would suit a lot of my friends aswell instead of the friday ritual of driving the wheels of the car back to Longford to get on a bus and go without a smoke until we arrive at the destination then having to drink 2 pints at once just to get them in.
At the end of the day i will happily go along with whatever is best for the league and that's what's important in all this.
Sorry might've come across wrong - doent make a difference to crowd attendances- was just making the point that 8pm ko's make a big difference for drogs supporters that travel home from dublin (which is alot), have to sort out the family and then rush up the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
For a young single guy like me, it gives me time for an extra pint :)
So it's settled then. Every team will play their home games on Friday night, and their away games on Saturday evening. Flawless.
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Originally Posted by Wiseguy
The only viable solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
So what if we can't travel to Derry or Cork or to the Sligs? That's our tough luck - that's the advantage of being at home. Spanish sides play with very little away support - you don't see them changing their match days..
There is no tradition of away support in Spain. I've seen a few games out there and you could hear a pin drop when the away side scores so that comparison is meaningless.
It should'nt be our tough luck if we cant travel. Football is a weekend game. I'm all for friday night as long as its derbies. Asking Derry, Cork and Waterford players and fans to travel all day friday to play each other on a friday night just cos it suits the home side is typical of this league. Ask the clubs who play their home games saturday and it has been a success. I know I've seen it.
KOH
My point there was that leaving Waterford at 5 is plenty of time to get to a 7.45 kick off in Dublin, not just me - any other 9 to 5er as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
No eL games attract enough away support to ensure ko times changed.
Sure Shels send 300 fans to Dalymount which is less than mile away so having ko at 12noon, 3pm, 10pm or any other timne won't make a difference.
The comparison with Spain is pointless, because unlike here, Primera games are sold out every week. Are any NL games sold out??Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Personally, I'm against Friday night games, even for derbies. The amount of fans you get in a derby on Fridays is still less than on Saturdays, where early ko's, work commitments, and traffic, all contribute to the poor attendances at derbies on Fridays. Playing on Saturdays makes things easier for everybody, and is better all round.
The ticket vans are a thing of the past, so no more walking all the way around to the Shed to buy a Stand ticket anymore. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiseguy
The Spanish away fans comparison is also pointless because
A) It's a country about 5 times the size of ours
B) Bus and rail costs are around the same price as here in a country with much lower wage levels / higher unemployment
C) Stadia are massively bigger that here; hence hearing the pin drop.
D) Not ALL Spanish games have poor away support. Many fixtures attract lots of away fans, usually fixtures between teams based close to each other.
Imagine you are a Celta Vigo fan. Tell me how you would get to a Mallorca away game, and how many people you think you make the trip. :rolleyes:
Well, you'd go there by the Longford travel route: Coach to Madrid, take the train to Valencia, and get the boat to Mallorca!! :D :D Then lose!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
I can see my tractor from my shed in CarmarthenQuote:
Originally Posted by Cop on
KOH
Longford people, living in, and Penthouse suite are not words that you link in the same sentence, I notice. More along the lines of Longford people, living in, and cottage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cop on
What?? :confused:Quote:
Jeez, got kicked out of every ground on this island for thuggery or what?
:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Ah I'm not the only one who sees it...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Derry in the FAI cup 1/4 final is the most recent situation that proved to me further that this Saturday night thing is a non-runner. A game on tv, the biggest match of the final stages, the much herladed Saturday night match between the biggest club in the league and Derry unbeaten in 21 matches.....and it couldn't be sold out. The weather is no longer a suitable excuse. I know for a fact there were Rovers' fans who did not go simply because they thought they'd lose and for no other reason.
This, imo, is what determines crowds in the EL. Apart from woeful Shels support regardless, the size of the crowd depends on how well the two teams are doing. Back in Inchicore a few years ago, I remember seeing literally about 6-7 Derry fans following them. On a Friday night. This year on a Friday night, there were *substantially more* in Dalymount. Whether it is a Saturday or Friday or Monday morning, a considerable amount of fans (please note not just Derry :) )follow success, not anything else
A fair proportion of the argument for Saturdays from some people seems to resonate on the the making a day of it and fitting more pints in. We'd never get the league finished then..."when can we play you? Are you able to bring those extra 100 fans if we play you on that day rather than this one?":rolleyes: :D