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Do anyone know where I can send an e-mail or fax of support to the team n Cyprus.?
It's great having hindsight isn't it? Kerr has used the right formation and tactics in all of the games. He's been unlucky in some and players has played badly in others.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
AFAIK he went to 433 against Israel when Keane came off. How is that negative. If anything that's more attacking.
You're going on as if these were unforgiveable school boy errors. They are not.
McCarthy made some unbelievable decisions (bigger mistakes than Kerr is making now) when he started off but was given the time.
3-5-2, Keane as a sweeper, Mark Kennedy in a free role against Belgium, Shafting Denis Irwin, Replacing Kennedy with Holland against Macedonia. 451 against Yugoslavia + Croatia away. You could go on and on.
Why isn't Kerr given the chance that McCarthy was.
http://home.eircom.net/javascript/Ew...prus/home.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by mjpcc
If you are just keeping possession and not creating chances you are hardly
trying to win the game you are playing for a draw
That is player speak for we were told to keep the ball and hold what we have
In the Israel game instead of changing like for like he moved 3 players into
differnet positions.Giving them the couple of minutes needed to get back into the match
Agree with your analysis of tactical errors made by previous management.Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
Answer to your question is... if we fail to qualify for Germany,... the FAI will have to borrow money for it's share of the Lansdowne Road redevelopment portion which both the FAI and IRFU have to stump up in order to get grant aid from the government. That is the Why like it or lump it! I would be prepared to give Kerr another chance if it was up to me, but it isn't. It seems to me he is being blamed for not getting us to the Euro 2004 when he wasn't in charge for a lot of that campaign.
I'm talking about the away game. Kavanagh said it was a concious effort by the players to sit back. Kerr said they should have been more incisive going forward and he told them that at half time. Roy Keane felt they should have created more. Israel's game plan was to catch us on the break, keeping possession ruined that game plan until we lost it in the last minute through an Irish shot (afaik).Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Thanks Eirebhoy .Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Posters defending the attacks on Kerr are completely missing the point.
IT is absolutely disgraceful and underhand to attack him, and undermine him and the team while we still have everything to play for in this group.
The papers/FAI conspirators (I'm not suggesting all of them are) do not seem to care if they damage our chances of getting to the playoffs.
No matter whay anyone's problem is with the manager or players he picks surely everyone press, FAI, & fans should be totally behind them until the qualifiers are over.
Then and only then should BK's merits or lack thereof be discussed.
I'm sure the Cypriots and Swiss are delighted. And the rest of the football world must be highly amused by our self destructive antics.
"The Irish are a fair people; they never speak well of one another." —Samuel Johnson 1709-1784
No, I think any reasonable person would say that BK's fate lies in the next two games, those results will make or break him. If he fails he will have had two qualifying campaigns and he will have finished 3rd twice - that is not acceptable given the groups we were in.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
If we get to a play-off and we lose, then it's a more difficult decision but I would definitely like to see him stay on.
If we get to the WC he deserves an improved contract.
I think the print media can work things out for itself.
That's Kerr in a nutshell. He NEVER wants to risk anything. He didn't want to risk losing his leads to Switzerland and Israel, and lost them, he didn't want to risk losing the French game, and lost it, so he can't say he's got a hard time from the press. Most of the media were/still are pro-Kerr, but he has done himself no favours after playing poor tactics, making bad subs, getting bad results, and ignoring the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
If Kerr feels hard done by, then how does Sven Eriksson feel with England? He has the players, he's got the results, he has probably qualified them for the World Cup, he has secured a play-off spot at least, and yet the media are openly annihilating him. He still gives press conferences.
Brian Kerr has the best ever facilities available to an Irish coach, he has had RK available for most of the campaign, he got his way with the group fixtures, yet still hasn't delivered. And then he wonders why the knives are out. :confused: Next week, he will be out of a job, and it's not the media or the FAI's fault why, it's his fault, and his only.
We should all be behind Brian and the team until we at least the final whistle against Switzerland. Then will be the time to begin evaluating and re-evaluating.
I think our print media have been an absolute disgrace this last week. First they pull a spark out of nothing, then they pour petrol on it. Shame on them.
Day upon day they read more and more like the camp that harass the England team at every turn. Further evidence of the tabloid-isation of our media.
Hmmm that might be a bit revisionist in fairness. Mick had some good players -as Brian does -and Mick had some holes to fill and patch up jobs to do -as Brian does. I see no major gap in quality between the two eras to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
The team that McCarthy qualified with was better than this one. It had a strong CM pairing. At the moment we don;t have a strong CM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
We have better wingers and probably a stronger defence. CM is where we are lacking. Without a strong CM we can't exploit our strength down the wing.
McCarthy's team also had a viable long ball option in Quinn.
If we get there, he should tell the FAI to stick it and go public. They'll have as much credability post Genesis as Phil Collins...Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
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Originally Posted by Macy
First time I laughed today. ;)
I'm really disapointed in the Irish sports pages, I know its been going this way for a while but destructive pieces in the star & Indo/herald over the last few days... well its a real shame. It's as if some fans on this forum & journalists would prefer to disect Kerr's management right now at the risk of undermining his & the teams confidence, purely so they can say, I TOLD YOU SO. Why don't you all keep your negativity until the worst actually happens, if it ever does happen, that is.
Everyone seems to be in rush for us to fail???? Don't these people want to see Ireland at the World Cup? Talk about self destruct....
I seriously can't believe this "we've already lost" mentality here & in the papers. Have some belief & don't listen to the utter sh!te in these papers they have ZERO interest in Irish football other than it being a means to sell papers.
Give the man a chance over the next two games. God knows he needs it now, with all the rubbish that's been written.
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Originally Posted by Tram_14
It's all very well getting behind the side. However, with disgruntled fans, a depleted squad, a techy boss, and a media in revolt, can you honestly, realistically say that when we need, really need, to win 2 games or wave goodbye to Germany, we will do it? Going on BK's recent record, you would have to say no. :( And if he can't do it, he will have to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
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Originally Posted by mypost
Well why don't you wait until we don't qualify, why are you jumping the gun, mistakes have been made, I don't disagree, but do you think its intelligent of the media to be suggesting alternative managers when there is a still a possibility to qualify?
Why isn't Kerr given the chance that McCarthy was.[/QUOTE]
If we were not to make the play offs this time, that would be the second tournament in a row under Kerr that we failed to get that far. That didn't happen under McCarthy. I agree we should hold off until the results are in, but those asking the quoted question should ask themselves how likely it was that McCarthy would have kept his job with an 0/2 record--and whether they would have supported him to keep it.
But Russia and Switzerland got a 3 point headstart since Kerr wasn't in charge at the start. I actually think he should be gone if we don't qualify as he's been treated more harshly than any other Ireland manager I can remember and it means my fear has outpassed excitment 10-fold before games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
True, but by the time we were down to the last two matches, qualification was there for the taking. So it's not as if that tournament represented nothing more than a warm up for the job for Kerr. He was in charge, there was a good chance to qualify, and it was passed up. That's got to be taken into the reckoning when we look at his record.
Kerr repaired the damage, and we had qualification in our own hands going into the last 2 games in the group. The regulations meant that a 2-goal win over Russia would have guaranteed us a play-off spot at least, and knocked the Russians out. Instead, Russia got a point from Lansdowne, we threw in the towel in Basle, and stayed at home the following summer, while both sides got knocked out in the first round of the finals. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
And another in a similar vein " If there were only 3 Irish people left alive after a nuclear bomb was dropped ; you'd find 2 in a corner plotting against the 3rd one" Niall TóibínQuote:
Originally Posted by mjpcc
You should edit your post before someone see's it. :eek: Way to positive. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
So you'll give him the credit for rescuing the campaign after the terrible start that McCarthy gave us?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
repaired the damage, !!! he got one point from 6 !!!mccarthy got 0 from 6 and we had a small chance by beating the swiss..thats not repairing damage.
Kerr didn't exactly repair the damage. As with this group the other teams in contention kept on dropping points. In the EC group under Kerr we were absolutely blessed to beat Albania at home, were dreadful V Russia and the performance against Switz was one of the worst, most inept I've witnessed since the days of Eoin Hand.
Regarding the current campaign the results V Israel have been a mixture of bad fortune and getting his tactics wrong. The real worrying aspect of Kerr's approach is that if Plan A ain't working he'll throw that useless fcuk*r Doherty on and give up on any attempt to play football. The French were laughing at us the last day once we went behind. If Doherty appears in either of the last two games we are hosed.
Kerr said at the start of his reign 'judge me on results'. Well if we don't win the last two games that should be exactly what happens.
Got to agree with the debut poster on this one: there's no way Kerr can be credited with "repairing the damage". Even after the two defeats, the subsequent games were collectively among the worst I've ever witnessed, with the possible exception of Georgia at home.
The shít mypost gives Kerr and then he goes and opens a thread like this:
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=363735
i was quite positive about our situation a couple of weeks ago but the whole media v manager situation we've had over the last week or so just stinks of this time 3 yrs ago. the pressure and bad feeling around the team then was so great that it contributed to our 1-2 loss to switzerland. all this talk in the papers etc isnt doing our cause the slightest bit of good at all. i just hope the manager and players are above it all and that it will just make them even more determined to qualify. i honestly believe that a huge reception for the team both on sat and next wed will have a huge positive influence on the teams mindset for the games like it did when the supporters got madly behind the team v cameroon after all the saipan shenanigans
I couldn't agree more, it will be really important & after all the talk & discussion, there is actually only one way a fan can make a difference & its by support on saturday and next wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
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Originally Posted by mjpcc
While I agree with almost all of your posting a thumbs up from the FAI for Kerr now would look like the famous vote of confidence from the board for a manager at club level :eek:
In fairness kerr as done an above average job with an average/aging squad
if he was to go who would repace him martin O'neil is the only one Id like to see but it aint going to happen until his wifes illness runs it course
so get behind kerr rate him or not he's all we've got
and I think we will get six pts frm our last two games
en-ger-land in the playoffs and were off ta deutchland
I'm not into this anti-Kerr thing but I would dispute the above.Kerr has taken 2 pts out of 6 from Israel, 1 from 6 from Switzerland, 1 from 3 from Russia, 1 from 6 from France and our performance against the Faroes were not exactly earth shattering. I am not sure how this is "an above average job" against teams which, France aside, are also mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
It's also not an ageing side. Some players are getting on but the majority are young or in their prime. Mick inherited an ageing squad. Not Brian.
ANyway, fingers crossed for Saturday and Wednesday and hopefully all this nit picking will be forgotten.
THis Kerr versus the media craap has gone on long enough. Caught the front page of the Herald at lunch. A FRONT page article by Hyland titled "Kerrazy" and slagging off Kerr for not concentrating on the match instead of blaming all and sundry for the poor results of his team. Can these fookers not just get behind the team and leave their petty points scoring until after we either qualify or we don't.:mad:
Kelly, Breen, Holland, Kinsella, McAteer and Carsley were all part of Micks first 11 or there about before he resigned/sacked. Kerr had a lot to do to rebuild the Irish team.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Breen and Holland are still around playing but have been overtaken by other players. Carsley was no more than a periphery player for Mick and didn't want to continue in the same vein for Kerr so retired. Kelly was well replaced by Carr or Finnan and McAteer was in and out of Mick's side. So the only one not replaced really was Kinsella when he hung up his boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Every team changes each year. There was no huge surgery required by Kerr unlike McCarthy.
Of the players I named, only Carsley was not a first teamer, all the others were regulars for McCarthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I totally disagree. If this was an english manager the papers would be giving him a far easier time. Just look at Mick or Jack. they got such an easy ride. The gloves were off with kerr early on, brady was just dying for a slip up.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Wrong, and you know that is wrong. Imagine if this was Eriksson behaving towards the press in the same way, the English media would savage him 10-fold. Kerr is having to take a lot of stick, and rightly so. He got us into this "win or bust" mess, now he has got to get himself out of it. Ignoring the media is backfiring on him. He's just giving carte blanche to the journos, to write as they please, and it's affecting our preparations. All so unnecessary. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
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Originally Posted by mypost
Maybe he will :D