Saturation premiership.

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Originally Posted by anto eile

"fascinating" and "interesting" are just words that sky use to describe shyte games, without actually labelling their own product as crap

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which you will of course admit,sadly includes almost every Ireland friendly international match....... :(

At least it Finally explains to me how some people on foot.ie are over the moon over our fantatic friendly international record......obviously they just have been blinkered into believing ****e games mean something by Sky too.

'Real Fans' (copywrited Eircom League Fans 2005 :) ) of football can see beyond the media hype of the hairy handed one and his sidekicks on sky. If your suggesting I find certain games interesting because sky told me then your sadly mistaken. I've been educated enough on the game to find even the dullest 0-0 draw fascinating be that Serie A, Bundesliga, Premier League, SPL, Amatuer Football league, United Churches League Div 1 Saturday, you name it! (trust me I even found enjoyment in my own men's team heavey defeat on saturday watching an effective opposition destroy us.......just a little though.....my players might be reading this!! :p )

It's the game itself that intrigues me, not the results,the entertainment or the media hype.

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Originally Posted by KarlosIRL

which you will of course admit,sadly includes almost every Ireland friendly international match....... :(

At least it Finally explains to me how some people on foot.ie are over the moon over our fantatic friendly international record......obviously they just have been blinkered into believing ****e games mean something by Sky too.

'Real Fans' (copywrited Eircom League Fans 2005 :) ) of football can see beyond the media hype of the hairy handed one and his sidekicks on sky. If your suggesting I find certain games interesting because sky told me then your sadly mistaken. I've been educated enough on the game to find even the dullest 0-0 draw fascinating be that Serie A, Bundesliga, Premier League, SPL, Amatuer Football league, United Churches League Div 1 Saturday, you name it! (trust me I even found enjoyment in my own men's team heavey defeat on saturday watching an effective opposition destroy us.......just a little though.....my players might be reading this!! :p )

It's the game itself that intrigues me, not the results,the entertainment or the media hype.

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How do you get satisfaction from a foreign team doing well?Would you not much prefer to see your local team doing well...and the atmosphere and buzz at home and away games,which you can always go to,following an EL side.But don't go on about standard because the standard in the premiership is nothing to rant on about,or do you enjoy sitting in a bar and watching the tele :rolleyes: :mad:

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Anto1208
The 2 best players ever to wear the green both Played in the EL
Football fan my Arse
Please go away!

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and whats your point i guess your on about giles and keane i dont know much about giles im not that old , but i do know he went to leeds and keane to forrest / man utd . all in england why because its a much much better league allways has been .

but this is a discussion on the prem this season in which nearly all the irish players currently play

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Originally Posted by jimbob117

How do you know this if you dont watch match of the day or any english football??
and if your so keane on the demise of english football, you obviously dont care too much about our national team, considering the fact all our players(bar harte) play there. And i, for one, care more about our national team than any EL, or EPL team.

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Are you unable to read or something.What did I say in my other post on this forum...i said I used to support Arsenal,iv been over to a lot of games and have so many jerseys and other merchandise I cant even count it.
But that is in the past and i will never buy another jersey of any club team except ones from Ireland.
But you are right about me not caring about the national team.Obviously i like to see them doing well but couldnt really care less if they quilify for the world cup or not.This is because they are made up of english converts and over paid and over rated players who earn there money in England and couldnt give two sh!tes about IRISH Eircom League football.
This is my view at the moment until more players from eircom League clubs get International call ups.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

and whats your point i guess your on about giles and keane i dont know much about giles im not that old , but i do know he went to leeds and keane to forrest / man utd .

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He better have been talking about McGrath...

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Originally Posted by Conor H

How do you get satisfaction from a foreign team doing well?Would you not much prefer to see your local team doing well...and the atmosphere and buzz at home and away games,which you can always go to,following an EL side.But don't go on about standard because the standard in the premiership is nothing to rant on about,or do you enjoy sitting in a bar and watching the tele :rolleyes: :mad:

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well i go to goodison for all the home games in the prem so i wouldnt be watchin on tv , and yes its more exciting than any EL game ive ever been to .
its completly different to see players with that much talent playing in the flesh , which you dont get inthe EL of course watchin gyour local team is exciting because there your team , but its only exciting to you .

its like watching your kids play footy you want them to win its exciting but not to any one else .

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Originally Posted by The Stars

Are you unable to read or something.What did I say in my other post on this forum...i said I used to support Arsenal,iv been over to a lot of games and have so many jerseys and other merchandise I cant even count it.
But that is in the past and i will never buy another jersey of any club team except ones from Ireland.
But you are right about me not caring about the national team.Obviously i like to see them doing well but couldnt really care less if they quilify for the world cup or not.This is because they are made up of english converts and over paid and over rated players who earn there money in England and couldnt give two sh!tes about IRISH Eircom League football.
This is my view at the moment until more players from eircom League clubs get International call ups.

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so your saying duff should quit chelsea and move to sligo or brain kerr should pick his team from EL players !! are you serious ??

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Originally Posted by anto1208

so your saying duff should quit chelsea and move to sligo or brain kerr should pick his team from EL players !! are you serious ??

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Would be better for the national team if all our players were not playing in an overhyped sub standard league , If they were playing regulary in Serie a or the primera it would improve their technical skills.

Ya thats exactly what im saying.Duff should sign for Rovers for 10,000 euro and still get international call ups......BTW im being carcastic!!!
What im saying is that more Irish players from the Eircom League should be getting international call ups.Take Doyle for example,he didnt get a mention by Kerr while with Cork and now that he is playing in England,even if it is The Championship,he has got a call up.Why is this?He hasnt suddenly become a better player now he is in England,has he?

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Originally Posted by The Stars

Take Doyle for example,he didnt get a mention by Kerr while with Cork and now that he is playing in England,even if it is The Championship,he has got a call up.Why is this?He hasnt suddenly become a better player now he is in England,has he?

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No, but you don't understand, Stars. We all know how ironic it is, that you can't play for this country, while you play football in this country. You may be full-time, match-fit, and getting regular first-team football unlike other players in the current squad, but funnily enough, you are banned from playing for your country while you play in our league, even against world-beaters Cyprus, and North Atlantic fishermen. Apparantly, they are better than you, you poor unfortunate NL player.

Such ignorance towards the domestic game wouldn't be tolerated in any other country. But this is Ireland, and we have to have different rules here. Irish logic!! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Conor H

How do you get satisfaction from a foreign team doing well?Would you not much prefer to see your local team doing well...and the atmosphere and buzz at home and away games,which you can always go to,following an EL side.But don't go on about standard because the standard in the premiership is nothing to rant on about,or do you enjoy sitting in a bar and watching the tele :rolleyes: :mad:

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Point 1: They are my team....wheter they come from Ireland, England, Egypt or Japan. I get my buzz home and away with the Arsenal which money providing I can ALWAYS go to thanks to my membership status.

Do you listen to music from outside Ireland? If so, how do you get satisfaction from it? How can you relate to someone from another culture? Wouldn't you much prefer to pay in to see an little known Irish band than buy a CD from a big giant of world music?? Do you eat foreign food? Life must be incredibly dull, boring and exclusively IRISH around your way. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Point 2: If I sit in a bar, it'll be in North London - I've watched an Arsenal game on Sky in a bar in ireland twice. I can even tell you the games. A 2-1 home defeat to Utd with keano scoring twice and a 2-0 away win at Anfield in 92 - Wright and Limpar scoring.

Point 3: I did 10 home league games last year - all other 8 home league games were attended by either my Father or a relative. I was in attendence and/or coaching at over 40 schoolboy and junior soccer games in my local community and surroundings last year.

Point 3: I never mentioned standard...........I'm not in a position to comment on the standard of EL games becuase I do not watch the game. I've been to Shelbourne a few times, Dublin City a couple of times, Rovers back in the RDS days.....all of them local, none of them feel like home, simple. My point has and always will remain that my LOCAL team is the team I coach and spend hours of my time with. They have a presence in my community and get kids off the street - for me that's what supporting my LOCAL team is all about!!!

Arsenal is my second home and I have been through good and bad times there and importantly for me holds a deep passionate family tie. Is that good enough for you?

Thank you for once again highlighting all that is wrong with some Eircom League Fans

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Originally Posted by londonred

Would be better for the national team if all our players were not playing in an overhyped sub standard league , If they were playing regulary in Serie a or the primera it would improve their technical skills.

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Would Roy Keane have been a better player now at Inter or Juve than at United..........open to debate but I personally don't believe that. In fact I think playing in a league like Serie A would have taken something away from the physical side of his game as I feel it has already done with Patrick Vieira at Juventus in the games I've seen. Not sure that a different type of Roy Keane would have been beneficial for us at all. :)

Had Duff been at a Serie A club other than Milan or a Spanish CLub the last two seasons he wouldn't have played in two champions league semi-finals.....would that have been better for us or Damiens Development......similar situation with Finnan.

I have my doubts on how much a move to these leagues would really improve the players beyond the improvement thay show in the EPL. No question they would improve but how much is the question. Add the lifestyle changes, language issues, etc in to the melting pot and you can see why many settle where they are.

You could have an interesting debate on this..... Should we be sending our players from Eircom league directly to Serie A resulting in potentially less financial reward and link ups for Eircom League Clubs and Community Clubs (see Duff deal as an example of money pouring back into our game at grassroots level) Should we keep them at home in the Eircom League and would that improve both the palyers and the league? Better still should we encourage our Eircom League clubs & Big Amatuer Clubs to not poach youngsters from their local community clubs at inapproprate times causing mayhem for coaches and administrators? Should we encourage them to not restrict the develoment of local community schoolboy clubs by stopping clubs like Home Farm, Belvedere etc from snatching players from outside their catchment areas? Shouldn't we be demanding qualified coaches at all levels of the game including at the so-called bigger clubs?

As much as the English League is a problem for the Irish Game, still the biggest problems lie within our own game. Until that changes - the food chain style of football will remain with the English League very much the meateater at the top of the chain who throws some financial scraps back our way (which incidently keeps many Amatuer Clubs afloat

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Originally Posted by londonred

Would be better for the national team if all our players were not playing in an overhyped sub standard league , If they were playing regulary in Serie a or the primera it would improve their technical skills.

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Yeah you mean like Ian Harte ,I see he's really improved alot since his days at Leeds :rolleyes:

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One of the problems with football fans in this country is thinking that the English Premiersh1t is the be all and end all. The standard outside the top 4-5 teams is poor. Players who cannot defend earning huge sums of money for not doing their jobs. They ought to be fined for some of their ineptness.
It is not as technically competent a league as the Spanish Primera Liga or indeed Serie A or the Bundesliga. In recent seasons I have been to a Champions League game involving a Yugoslav and a French team playing each other as well as two Romanian League games. The skill levels in Romania are quite excellent and as for the standard well Dinamo Bucharest hammered Everton 5-1 recently in a European tie.


One of the reasons that the Premiersh1t is being seen as lacking excitement is the number of stupid goals conceded by poor defending has dropped this year. Liverpool and Chelsea in particular are conceding very little and some of this may have rubbed off on other teams. This is actually an improvement in the defending which as KarlosIRL would no doubt attribute to better coaching. West Ham and Tottenham to name but two, are teams traditionally "attractive" i.e involved in high scoring games due to inept defending. The fact that they are more successful so far this season than in recent years could not possibly be down to them being semi-decent at defending this season now could it?