So can you give me the attendances of the Pats home games so far this season?
Id like to get th eaverage and see how it compares to the bogus figures from that thread.
Also, Bohs & Cork give official attendances...
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So can you give me the attendances of the Pats home games so far this season?
Id like to get th eaverage and see how it compares to the bogus figures from that thread.
Also, Bohs & Cork give official attendances...
He said Pats are the only club who announce the attendance during a game. Bohs don't, though our attendances are published in the match programme.
I think Shels “poor” support compared to other clubs comes from the fact that for years it was a dead duck of a club, especially in the 80s.
I’m sure if there was a foot.ie equivalent back in the mid-80s when Shels had no home and were in the First Division, and you posted that in 20 years time Shels would be getting crowds as big as Bohs and Rovers and would have numerous trophies to their name, then you would have been laughed at.
People always said about Shels up to recently (and some still do) that their support almost entirely consisted of kids and auld lads, and this was pretty much an undeniable fact.
Now though, those kids (I, of which was one, being 12 when I started supporting Shels in 1992, and now being 24), are growing up and this will lead to a change of dynamics within the Shels support.
This will be both good and bad, for example, I’m witnessing trouble at Shels games for the first time since I started supporting them, which is a direct result of certain fans getting to a certain age.
However, people around my age will also start having families etc. over the next 20 years or so and more and more Shelbourne families will then start to emerge, leading to a more balanced pattern to our support.
Also some of the kids who supported Shels, and then drifted away in their teens, may comeback to the club when they settle down and start looking to bring their kids to games.
What I’m saying is, that Shels have had recent success sure, but people in their 20s and 30s don’t jump on a glory hunting bandwagons like that, kids do.
Shels started to become a successful club in the 90s and kids like me went along, the true legacy of Shels winning that support won’t be felt short-term, it will be a long-term steady gain.
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
FACT is trademarked by Bohs fans.
Get your own pointless internet jargon.
It's true it stands forQuote:
Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man
Forever Acting Common Thugs
Joke Bohs fans before I get lynched :o
should be counties :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Pats have had no designs on moving to Tallaght. For as long as I worked for the SDCC (up until June) No one from Pats where ever in to my knowledge for talks about Tallaght stadium.
None of you will probably believe me but Shels have been in for more talks over that stadium than the GAA. And that's a Fact.
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Originally Posted by joeraki
pats were waiting til u left......non stop meetings in July and August!
As Dodge said, we've no incentive to leave Richmond at the moment. On a good night the ground is a third full so we've no capacity issues. That's unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.
Personally I've no huge moral difficulty with the notion of groundsharing with Rovers. Our board has told us quite clearly that if some developer made them an offer they couldn't refuse, they'd be willing to talk about leaving Richmond, but would only do so on the basis that an alternative stadium would be ready to move into straight away - i.e. no "interim" renting of Dalymount or anywhere else. You could call it learning the Rovers lesson.
One thing that'd definitely put the brakes on any notion of us moving to Tallaght along with Rovers is that the SDCC have said quite clearly that they view Rovers as their anchor tenants going forward. Not Rovers and Pats. Not Rovers and St.Marks GAA. Not Rovers and any other assorted community sporting thingumyjigs. This all came out around the time they started the process of getting the lease on the stadium back from Branvard or whichever holding company was running Rovers before the 400 Club took over.
Yes, the government could in theory exert huge pressure on the SDCC to expand their thinking to include us as possible tenants as well as Rovers, but in that scenario, I'd imagine the rest of the League would have a collective conniption.
Think about it: we sell Richmond for a humungous wad because of its location. I've no idea of land prices in D8, let's say €20million. We move to Tallaght to share a municapally funded stadium, so incur no building costs. So we end up with a €20million fund for transfers and wages. Champions League and eternal domination of the LoI, here we come. Can't see all the other clubs rolling over and going "Nice bit of business, fair play to youse."
Actually, that figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
Ollie and co are on thin ice posturing as a northside club. You don't have to be a historian to know that they belong emphatically south of the river, where Shels had a proud tradition which, of course, government planners, FAI suits, and some with a thin grasp of Dublin psyche and geography, have no regard for.
Their move to Tolka certainly has not brought in droves of supporters. If I were doing their strategic planning, I'd be looking for an identity other than Donabate Dons or Abbotstown Shelbohs.
PS: as for Rovers being some sort of pan-Dublin superclub, YHAL! :D
So that's 65 on the southside, 35 on the northside, where do the other 300 come from :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by northside hoop
Oh we are well aware of their attempt to gazump us!Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
Queue the shels fans indignation at the mere suggestion that their club arent a model of loveliness....
I hear Bohs & Shels will be sharing Dalymount a lot sooner than people think...
We are well aware that Ollie had or has been looking at that option...
Its not a move that would get any sort of backing from Shels. That's not to say it wont happen as Ollie is the boss and what he says goes unfortunately.
How recent was this interest you are talking of?
Well Pete ,,
Why dont you tell us what you heard so?
Im sure Shels and Bohs fans would love to hear it ...
You must know a hell of a lot more than the Bohs membership and some committee members then.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I would be in favour of allowing Shelbourne to buy a 50% stake of Dalymount Park though. Ollie would want to do a better job of courting Bohemians over such a move than his behavior in the ground suggests he is capable of though.
I think we should look at that in deeper terms than Ollie's personal behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy
Selling 50% of Dalymount obviously makes short and medium-term financial sense, assuming the price is right. But it is giving Shelbourne a lifeline and a foothold in Bohemian turf (disregarding assertions made here that BFC is some kind of homeless nowhere club) and that, in my view, has strong potential as slow suicide.
BFC is the EL club with the strongest claim to loyalty in north Dublin. The others are imposters. We should keep it that way.
Bohs and shels in the one stadium ?
ugh
we took em in in the 80's and look at the monster we helped create!!!!
The most recent where meetings when Rovers where in examinership. They have probably been in more recently, I don't know, but could easily find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Also Shels moving to a new stadium in Donabate is a load of bull. They where told at one meeting what's the point in them coming out here inquiring about Tallaght stadium if they had plans of their own for a stadium and selling Tolka. They (Shels) gave a bit of a politicians reply to that. Also the SDCC where a bit off put when they dug about a bit and names of people that formed the group (vultures) Mulden popped up
I actually believe thaat there is huge potential for Shels in Fingal. Similarly to Tallaght it is a large part of Dublin that doesn't really have a club to callits own. With the city already bursting at the seams population growth in towns like Swords, Malahide, Donabate, Skerries and Balbriggan is only going to continue for years to come. With regard to exact ground location they just need to find somewhere central and close to a main road that they can aquire cheaply and is capable of getting PP. Tolka, despite great, and indeed costly, efforts has failed them in terms of tapping into a whole new, large fambase.
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Originally Posted by higgins
interesting .. but not much to do with the actual debate!
an unsubstantiated rumor on two dublin clubs posted by a corkie.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
well.. i have to say.. IM CONVINCED!
btw Rovers support is very much a pan-dublin thing. i know of loads of Hoops on the northside. (personally i view this north/south dublin "rivalry" to be a load of bullsh!t anyway-i dont subscribe to it)
the aforementined Hoops sc must be nearly 50/50 for north/south siders
Shels didnt get donabate rezoned for nothing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
This thread is all speculation. I wouldnt be surpised if some dublin clubs shared grounds but I cant see it being Shels or Shams in any configeration
Councils rezone land not football clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
And there we have Mulden again
1996
SDCC, give SRFC x amount of land
SRFC, ps ya dont mind if mates of ours help us out a bit with building it
SDCC, Not at all
2005
FCC, give SFC x amount of land
SFC, ps ya dont mind if mates of our help us out a bit with building it
FCC, Get the **** !
SDCC and FCC are from different parts of Dublin not different planets
Dont have time to read this thread, but if the government want to have ground sharing, cant they get a GAA club to go in with Pats and Rovers at Inchicore and Tallaght instead of one club having to move? More amenities, more locations, same money?
As it is, the pitch at Richmond is gonna have to be extended to be licence-compliant. There's no way there's room for a GAA pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
I'd much rather ground-share with the bogballers than with Shelbourne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
The most logic ground shares in the country would be football & rugby so grounds used 12 months a year & only maybe 5 months overlap.
So Pete are you going to back up you comment of the Shels Bohs ground share?
Do you think "Munster Rugby" and Cork City could get a grant to build a common stadium in Cork. I think this would work out well for both parties. The Celtic League games and Heineken Cup games that clash with City games could be played in Thomond, and the rest played in Cork. I think most City fans would be happy with that. Anyone else??Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
On the above point, would Musgrave Park be a suitable venue? Who owns that? And do Dolphin RFC have any claim to it and how often do they play there?
Id love that, a few points though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
There's acres of land in Musgrave Park: 3 rugby pitches, some training space, car parks, spare space.
MRFU (Munster Rugby) own the park but Dolphin/Sundays Well have a 100 year lease type thing on it that was renewed a few years agao AFIK
The stadium is a long long way off UEFA Licence standards.
As Dolphin and the Well both play there, the main pitch is used nearly every week in the domestic season, + some Munster games + the odd school game. If City were to move there I recon that one rugby team would have to move out, and I cant see this happening or else a new, low capacity ground would have to be built on one of the other 2 grounds but this is also unlikely as the remaining 2 pitches are for Dolphin and the Well and are used for training and underage games. The idea of a merger between Dolphin and the Well was rejected about 3 years ago so that prob wont happen.
Anyway this is off topic (kinda). But the idea of municipal ground sharig between different sports, which seems to happen everywhere else in the world except the UK, should be explored before merging teams.
I see why it wouldn't work now. Unless, the Munster FA were to come on board, and allow Dolphin and the Well to use Turners Cross if Cork City were allowed to play in a new done up Musgrave Park. Can't see that happening though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
I think that a common stadium for both Munster and Cork City would be the way to go. And Limerick FC could come to an agreement to share Thomond??? :o
In the PL mag free with the Star Paul Lennon agress that the teams should groundshare.
*article rewritten slightly to make some words smaller as my fingers hurt :(Quote:
Pragues model for Dublin
How Dublin and irish domestic football could with either of pragues 2 main grounds. While Sparta Pragues Sparta Stadium and Slavias Strahov Stadium are too small for the national team. They hold 20k and 19k respectively making it ideal for club football.
Altho Shels Shams Bohs and Pats could only dream of half filling those capactice on an occasional basis for big EL games both grounds would ideal for FAI final.
On Wed night little more than 15k watched spart and ajax play out a 1-1 in CL with a crap atmosphere. But replace the attendence with 15k passionate Derry/Bohs/Cork/Longford/Hoops and blue riband finale would be transformed from its current standing Lansdowne which is simply to vast for the crowd that attends.
Surely its time foe the four in Dublin to consider constructin joint sides of the liffey- Dalymount or tallaght
Wonder where he got that informed opinion from?
Hi Paul...
kdjac
this is a complete non runner on so many levels - its simply a way of terminating grant funding without having to justify or answer to anyone
well done FAI
great work again :rolleyes:
Typical Rovers utter lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
We don't get 'as many' as Rovers or Pats, we get more, check the attendence thread. I think we've a higher average than Bohs this season too but I haven't checked in a while.
Yeah but on you own MB its admited that they are not official attendances but guess's, where as the clubs clubs are official. Nothing wrong with guess work but we all know how wrong they can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
What in the name of god are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by chippie0001
Post the link to that thread.
The numbers are offical, coming from Bohs fans favourite Fintan Cassidy who works on the stiles.
They'd be pretty exact for guesses don't you think!?
Below is the quote and the link from Fintan as you say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
There's no club policy on official attendances - I used to check them out off my own bat from the stile readings. but stopped because it's too much bother and I couldn't be arsed any more.
I'd post them here in match threads and Jammer would list them on foot.ie
http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=4267