Saw bits and pieces of the game, Whelan was unlucky not to score with a cracking header from a corner early on
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Saw bits and pieces of the game, Whelan was unlucky not to score with a cracking header from a corner early on
sorry how did mcshane play?
Nothing wrong, nothing outstanding. A solid display. Henderson pulled off a few good saves but was slow off his line on one occasion that could have lead to a goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
A bit prophetic in light of Keanes commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Brighton defender Paul McShane could be out for three months after damaging ankle ligaments in the draw with Cardiff City.
McShane, presently on-loan from Manchester United, landed awkwardly after contesting a high ball with Cameron Jerome.
"It's a massive blow to us and the lad," said Seagulls boss Mark McGhee
"He has showed commitment to our cause and our team that's way above the call of duty.
"We want him here in the long term - hopefully we can do that - but it's a setback for us"
what does he mean bout showing commitment way above the call of duty?!
EXCLUSIVE Paul McShane signed a three year deal with WBA yesterday. Details to follow............
I think that's a very good move for him. Curtis Davies may still go to Arsenal and West Brom could be back in the Premiership next season. Good news for Ireland too with another center half getting 1st team football hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Davies is going nowhere - unless someone is stupid enough to offer £10m and if they do McShane is the replacement.
The McShane deal is part of the PIG (Pole in Goal) move to MUFC. Anyone know anything about the McShane lad? Unlike Niall Quinn, I don't slavishly follow Irish players in England. ;)
KOH
I saw him play in the Milk Cup a few years ago, and was very impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
To nick some info from around the web:
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Republic of Ireland Under-19 international who joined the Red Devils in July 2002. The defender was part of the United youth team which beat Middlesbrough in the two-legged FA Youth Cup final in 2003. Strong in the tackle, McShane went on United's pre-season tour of America in July 2004 before going on to help United win the Barclays Premiership Reserve League North. Also enjoyed a loan spell with Walsall in the 2004/05 season.
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Paul McShane (born January 6, 1986 in Wicklow) is an Irish football player who plays as a central defender.
McShane started his football career playing first for his local club Greystones F.C., and soon thereafter at St Joseph's Boys. In the summer of 2002 He signed for Manchester United. Later in 2002, he was loaned to Walsall for the campaign. He played in the final of the 2003 FA Youth Cup in which they defeated Middlesbrough by the score 3-1.
He played in pre-season friendly matches and has been given the squad number 34, but has yet to make his debut for Manchester United. He spent the 2005-6 season on loan to Brighton & Hove Albion F.C. where he was voted Player of the Season by the supporters, as well as the away supporters Player of the Season.
He scored the only goal in the 1-0 victory for Brighton over arch rivals Crystal Palace in October 2005, one of four goals for the club.
for someone who doesnt slavishly follow players in england, you seem very sure of that, unless of course you just follow the english players.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
seen McShane play for brighton last season, looked good, threat in the opposition box as well from setpieces.
I don't slavishly follow Irish players....but I do have a 30-year-long interest in all things Baggies-related.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
KOH
why not just say ''im a west brom fan'' then? whats the story with the whole, 30-year-all-things-baggies-related, blah,blah,blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Only really liked the Happy Mondays myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
He's a hero in Brighton for scoring the winner last year in their big game with Crystal Palace (which BTW is the strangest rivalry ever)
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Maybe because I've never seen them play a competitive game, I've never been to the Hawthorns and I spend all my spare time and money following Rovers. Unlike the barstoolers I would never claim to be a West Brom "fan" but since I was a kid they've been my team in England. That okay with you?
KOH
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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
hang on, hang on, we've got one here boys and girls, we've got one here, for sure:D
they are your self confessed team since childhood yet in no way would you describe yourself as a fan, what planet/drugs are you on man? of-course you are using the narrow minded,cliquey LOI definition of fan to back this up, whereby if you dont go and watch, you arent a real fan, Boll0x.
and yet, never having seen them play, never even been to the hawthorns, proclaim ''Davies is going nowhere'' in your first post this morning, suggesting some kind of superior knowledge to the original poster, insider knowledge even. unlikely,i think, particularly from the fan whose never even been.
so which is it? or do you know yourself? id doubt it.
good luck to the lad- a guarenteed future international-soon enough if he plays well. west brom should easily get promoted and hey presto another irish prem player
have you seen the many relegated prem sides get promoted lately? the division is littered with sides who have come down in the last 5 years, leeds,wolves,leicester.palace,sunderland,norwich,c oventry,derby,ipswich, and thats just off the top of my head,Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
''hey-presto, a prem player'':rolleyes:
what an idiotic comment, on what do you base it?
There is nothing mysterious nor anything contradictory in We are Rover's posts here. Having a long distance interest doesn't compare with the fan's experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
If there is a hint of superiority, possibly its the frequent negative
thoughts about low down barstoolers make him feel better about himself.
Firstly I think you'll find supporters in all countries define real fans as those who go to the games. It is far from an LOI thing. Secondly, can I ask for your definition of a real fan please?Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
id agree 100% geysir, nothing like going to a game, but ill never accept that someone who has been following a side for 30 years, since childhood, is not a fan of that side, no way, of course he is, he may not realise or accept it, but he is a fan. he may also be a rovers fan, possibly more so, but also a west brom one.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
he is using the spending of money and time on rovers, and the lack of it on west brom to differintiate, thats up to him. if fandom be measured in money and time spent then lets all bow to Abramovich, true fan, yeah?
thought not.
I despair over some people's opinions of football supporting.
you have missed what im getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
and i dont think you can define it totally, but id say a 30 year association with a side, wheather you have seen them or not, would fall into the fan category, yes. would you not?
I live in Brigthon and I seen Mc Shane play a number of times last year. He was their player of the year in an admittedly sh**e team. He has a very good goalscoring record for a defender but he's very slow and can be dodgy defensively. He needs to improve if he's to be a real asset to Ireland.
Good move for him though.
Are you in a bad mood or something Crafty?? You're getting yourself worked up over very trivial things like.....
Absolutely not. Football isn't a tv programme. You're either a supporter or you're not. Supporters go to games regularly. People who don't watch TV programmes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
not in the least, dfa, life is all peachy and rosy this end.
i have however, started something of a shiiitstorm with all this levels of fandom thing.and it actually wasnt my intention, all i wanted to do was needle wearerovers on his overelaborate and convoluted use of english initially, but then dodge got hold of it and his cage would appear well and truly rattled by it all.
and now they are all at me;) :D
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and now they are all at me/QUOTE]
This could be a 10 pager;) :D
:rolleyes: Yeah its all my fault. Sometimes I wish I wasn't a mod here...
Anyway lets get back on topic (I'll delete anything else).
was typing it at the time you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
it can only be good if McShane is viewed as good enough to fill Davies boots by w.b.a. as he has been very impressive since his move, obviously,it would be better to get in the man u side but i doesnt look as though he will get his chance there.
it will be interesting to watch how he does there, as with Gavin and McGovern, their careers slid having left prem sides to seek first team involvment, but for McCarthy and Doherty(albeit slightly older), it has worked out for the better.
Great move for McShane. I saw him in a few preseason friendlies for United on the box. A bit cavilier in his defending but also a treat from corners and such.
With apologies to Dodge for dragging this off-topic again can I just reiterate that if I've never put time or money into following West brom then I'm not a fan. I think that the vast majority of week-in, week-out Baggies would agree with me.
Crafty Toe Poke wrote - narrow minded,cliquey LOI definition of fan to back this up, whereby if you dont go and watch, you arent a real fan.
That my friend would be the deifinition of a fan in any other country in the world except for this self-loathing, British-obsessed little island. If you don't go, you're not a fan, follower or supporter. Sorry if that doesn't fit you're loose definition.
Sorry again lads, now McShane.....
KOH
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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
move then, :rolleyes:
yeah, i hear west bromwich is lovely this time of year, you may finally even get to see your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
anything officially confirmed yet? not on either of the clubs O.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
When I say it's a done deal it's a done deal, I don't put up rumours, unsubstantiated stories or something I cannot stand over.
He signed a three year contract on Wednesday afternoon and my source is impeccable. ;)
fair enough then, and what of McShane? is he all happy with it? or did he feel he didnt get a shot at it at man u?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
From West Brom's homepage
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TOMASZ Kuszczak has joined Manchester United on a season-long loan which may lead to a permanent move to Old Trafford.
As part of the deal, Albion have signed United's former England Under-18 keeper Luke Steele and their highly-rated reserve centre-half Paul McShane.
Both Steele and McShane have penned three-year Hawthorns deals.
Steele has already proved a big hit in the Coca-Cola Championship during a loan spell with Coventry two seasons ago.
The 21-year-old rejoined the Sky Blues on loan as recently as last week but has now jumped at the chance to link up with the Baggies on a permanent basis.
He will compete for the goalkeeping jersey with Pascal Zuberbuhler and Russell Hoult.
Republic-of-Ireland Under-19 defender McShane has also underlined his Championship pedigree.
McShane, 20, spent last season on loan at Brighton and was voted Player of the Year by Seagulls supporters.
Albion moved to secure the tough-tackling centre-half on a permanent deal after former target Dan ****tu decided to join Premiership newcomers Watford.
Boss Bryan Robson is delighted to have the two new signings on board and revealed they would be immediately competing for first-team places.
"I know the two lads from when I did some coaching with United's reserves a few years ago," said Robson.
The one thing you get when you sign 20-21 year olds from United is they've nearly always got a great attitude towards the game and training.
"You can sometimes get real good players from United because the players in front of them are such outstanding players.
"Both Luke and Paul have played international football at youth level and they have very good potential to go further in the game.
"With Tomasz going on loan to United, with the possibility of a permanent move, and the two young lads coming to us, it's a great deal for this football club.
"Luke has done well in the Championship before. We feel he's got improvement in him and Joe Corrigan has already shown he can improve keepers at this football club.
"The fact Paul was voted Player of the Year at Brighton despite being a young lad in a struggling side shows what he's all about.
"He's a very aggressive centre-half. He's not the tallest but he makes up for that with his aggression - he attacks the ball really well.
"We feel he will only get better playing alongside the lads we've got here."
Chairman Jeremy Peace added: "The club thought long and hard before sanctioning Tomasz's loan move.
"I have had several meetings with the player who expressed a very strong desire to join United, with the potential of playing in the Premiership and Champions League.
"In the end, we felt that these were exceptional circumstances and that we would be denying Tomasz a major career opportunity if we insisted on him staying.
"Having said all that, we were only prepared to let Tomasz leave if it suited Albion - and the way this deal has been constructed does suit us.
"We have signed a talented young goalkeeper and an exciting young centre-half, a position we've been actively looking to strengthen."
Steele was partnered by McShane, who has attracted further interest from Championship clubs this summer, in United's FA Youth Cup-winning side of 2003.
Everyone at United has spoken about McShane's attitude and about his aggressiveness as a player. I've no doubt he is thrilled to be leaving United so he can have a real shot at first team football. However he is a long way short of being an option at senior level at the moment, next season maybe.
You could have fooled us Crafty, must be your time of the month, you're ranting a lot lately ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
For what it's worth, I agree with your assertion over WeAreRovers' one. You can be a fan in any way, shape or form. You're a fan if the teams results affect your moods - win and you're delighted, lose and you're mood dips. Just because someone can't go to games regularly does not mean they're not a fan - that's a LOI anti-barstoolers attitude. For example, you could have an Arsenal fan who would be referred to as a barstooler just because he doesn't go to LOI games and watches Arsenal in the pub. That's bullsh!t, because that guy could be involved in junior football or schoolboy football. So he's not a barstooler, in fact, he's probably more involved in football at grassroots level than the LOI fans who are calling him a barstooler. While I do agree that there's nothing that can beat going to live games, I don't subscribe to the LOI fans barstool attitude. Anyone who spouts it just sounds bitter and frustrated to me.
I know passionate Irish fans of AC Milan, Barcelona and even Paris St. Germaine and that has nothing to do with being British obsessed. I'ts ironic WeAreRovers that you are saying that this is a British obsessed island, when you yourself seem obsessed with 'barstoolers', premiership fans and fans who DON'T go to LOI games. So in other words you're obsessed with those who you say are British obsessed! :D
As for Paul McShane - lot of talk about him and saw him quite a lot on football league highlights. All he is is a decent prospect, this is a great move for him if he can push on and break in to the first team. To gauge how far he is away from Senior International status, Paddy McCarthy at Leicester is a good comparison. McCarthy is Leicester captain and a consistant performer over the last few seasons, yet he can't get into our Senior squad. So McShane is a bit away yet, has it all to prove....