No Chance Robbie was very unwise with his 250k no work salary
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No Chance Robbie was very unwise with his 250k no work salary
Presumably John O'Shea and Keith Andrews will put their names forward, individually or as a duo? Think it is fair to assume that both are quite ambitious and diligent in their duties. But not sure if they have the ability to get on-field performances + results.
Another left field example and also a FB in his playing days is Sylvinho. Appointed manager of Albania back in January and sits top of their group having already played Poland and Czech Republic twice so as good as qualified with games against Moldova and Faroes next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Seamus Coleman player/manager.
Neither have any managerial experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Interesting suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Another interesting suggestion - and probably he only one of this cohort that I would think worthwhile giving a chance - does he have his coaching badges yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Only has his UEFA B atm. Might be completing his UEFA A as it's three years since he completed his B licence. Definitely strikes me as someone that will look to go into management once his playing days are over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Like it's been said by someone here, the right appointment might be someone we aren't even thinking of. This is why the FAI need to be wise when searching for the next manager rather than just going for the safe option like they've done in the past.
I can see a Robbie Keane and Damien Duff management ticket in the FAI's near future
Might be a positive that Marc Canham will be involved in finding potential targets for the FAI to interview. Should surely have some contacts with people that wouldn't even come on the FAIs radar if it was left to the board to find options.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
Has had seven managerial jobs, the longest he's stayed in any, sacked or resigned, was Zenit: 2 years and 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
So even if you could get (i.e. pay) him, which must be highly doubtful imo, you'd imagine he'd be good for just the one campaign before he got itchy feet again.
Though if you could wangle him an entry to the Circuit of Ireland rally, that might swing it?
True (not my choice btw), but ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
.... you are willing to take a punt on Coleman who doesn't have managerial experience???Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
I think the challenge here is that it needs to be someone who carries some proven experience at either club level or as an international manager. Someone that the players, fans and media can buy into. That doesn't come without a baseline cost, obviously. The second would be someone that brings a pragmatic v. idealistic approach to the game. In retrospect, I think Kenny was a bit too much of an idealist and it cost him in terms of results and goodwill (over time) - even if some performances were good. A coach who plays to the strengths of his pool and balances that against the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition. I know someone threw out Jose Mourinho earlier and he would be ideal from a pragmatic perspective but i cannot see us being able to afford him plus he has a few more big jobs (pay days) left in him, i reckon. Rafa Benitez is another who, for his faults, is a pragmatician - but just signed on with Celta Vigo for a few years. Dont think he could be tempted away. Same goes for a few of the names mentioned on here who i would also class as fairly pragmatic.
Who/what does that leave? You really are starting to look like a Sam Allardyce type at this point - unless there is someone out of left-field not on the main radars...
Sorry, meant to add, i think appointing someone who has been around the last few set-ups will be a disaster. Not just from an experience perspective but the fact that there will immediately be a schism among the media, fans, potentially players. I think we are better moving away from the approach of "appointing from within" (which is actually laudable) and starting with someone new, with a fresh slate.
Then after he gets a few good results, he leaves you mid-campaign for the first attractive offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
It happened to NI with Lawrie Sanchez. Can't blame him, but he took a job in the EPL with Fulham when NI were 2nd in a seven team group including Spain, Sweden and Denmark (two to qualify). We ended up skittering in 3rd on GD ahead of the Danes in 4th, after losing very winnable games to Iceland and Latvia which would have seen us qualify.
If you look at the calibre of job he's been "linked with" (I know, I know) but turned down, I'd guess he's holding out for bigger things. Besides, he's still only 48 and ambitious managers often see an international job as a wind-down to their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Which will probably be a concern with many coaches given Ireland don't pay millions anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Extremely highly rated at Brentford, but turned down the permanent job for genuine reasons, as you say. And Brentford's record in appointing managers is absolutely top class, so that's as good a Job Reference as you can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
One left-field appointment might be Mark Warburton? He's a bit of a snake when it comes to dealing with Chairmen and transfers etc, meaning his club management career hasn't been as good as he doubtless imagines it should have been. But he's a genuinely good coach, and since international managers have to work with the players they're given, maybe his skills might suit? Currently assisting Moyes at WHU, so would surely be open to offers for a "proper" job?
Mentioned Mark Warburton before as a left field option and he actually left West Ham in the summer because he wants to get back into management. Think international football would suit him similar to Chris Wilder.
From a new manager's point of view ~ Always good to come in after the previous manager has been a failure ~ Might make the job a bit more attractive !
Neil Warnock was mentioned earlier , i read a book by him "The Gaffer" recently (although its a few years old) talking about his time as a Manager.
Gave me a different perspective on him tbh. Naturally given it was his own book he comes accross well but there were some specific instances and factual things that made me think there is more to him then people think.
He would have been everything i wouldnt want in an Ireland manager but .............
Its a good read.
Sadly I reckon more thought is going in to the next appointment on this thread than the FAI will muster.
I'd love to see someone on the way up, like Magne Hoseth or an unknown De Zerbi type....but we will more than likely end up with Robbie Keane.
The next manager's style of play is the most critical thing. We could appoint Pep but he'd still have to deal with having very little going on between a decent back line and a very young Evan Ferguson. Do we switch back to bypassing midfield? Personally I don't mind. I liked that Kenny believed we could play a better brand of football but he was far too stubborn when the team weren't able to execute or we didn't have the key players you need available.
I dont think they will, but Robbie has had as good a start as possible to his managerial career. I know some dont like the politics of him working in Israel, but personally I see that as hypocritical when we are ok with men working in a country that litterally still rules part of our own land ( and for the mods, Im not trying to start a debate on it outside of Current Affairs Thread). I think its too soon for him, but my hope for him in Israel was that he would do well enough to get a 2nd decent job and he seems to be doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
I seen John O'Shea mentioned as a caretaker. Am I the only one who thinks O'Shea has been badly tainted by recent performances. If we want to give Anthony Barry credit for some of the good work, O'Shea has to be criticized for recent games. Ive thought we looked extreemly badly coached against Greeks and Dutch.
I do think that Ferguson might tempt someone that wouldnt have been interested otherwise. A genuinely top class striker makes any team more capable of winning games and there might be a few coaches out there that would like the "project".
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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
I think you've nailed this
Nope - I said the same in the Stephen Kenny thread. I'd be fairly underwhelmed with O'Shea/Andrews being appointed. Though it has to be an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
They've done as much to get fired as Kenny has. Andrews was an idiot for the stuff before the Greek game and was dismissed with a grin by a professional managerQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Is this the manager of that KI crowd? A manager who has only ever managed in the Faroese league (afaik without checking) ? The leftest of left field ideas. He’d maybe be a candidate for Shamrock Rovers to replace Bradley but I think there would be a national meltdown should someone from the Faroese league get the Ireland job lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
What about Solskjaer? Out of a job, decent coach, good with youth, good connections…
The Man Utd fan in me just had a seizureQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Some interesting names starting to surface here, fair play, most of those in the first post would be in the please God no category for me. I genuinely don't get the ongoing willingness to entertain names who are in the end of managerial life cycle career stage as Kenny's predecessors were & the increasingly diminishing returns those appointments delivered lead directly to having a punt on Kenny. Yes, he failed, & the pressure cooker fishbowl combo of the Ireland job crushed him in the end, but surely we wont return to a methodology which failed under several managers, over many years because one guys approach failed once. Before this campaign he was worthy of a contract extension and had wide support among the fanbase and it if was because of certain coaches then find more guys of that calibre surely ?
Or pick a short term bounce guy, launch it, and have the whole debate again in a few years, which I would rather not.
There is no money in the FAI, but whatever bit there is, Hill & Canham are taking home a good chunk of it each year, we have no main sponsor and Castore gear to show for their efforts. I would like them to come up with one progressive innovative appointment & get it right. Others do it, why not us.
& while I am at it, if one more supposedly knowledgeable ex pro pundit says we have Ferguson now, he's good & big so we should fire it up to him, they should be told to go watch Brighton & stop talking immediately.
My guess is the FAI will take their time under the illusion of getting the right guy but really to save money. Those that are out of work now may be in gainful employment by the time they make a decision and those currently employed may on the dole queue. Personally I would like to see Chris Houghton and this strategy give him a chance.
We've got to cast wider..
After Jack stood down in 1996, if we'd taken a punt on a relatively unknown manager in Japan called Arsene Wenger, 1996 Foot.ie would have gone into meltdown
After Kenny had fallen flat after his first campaign, and we'd taken a punt on a journeyman Australian called Ange Postecoglu, Foot.ie would have gone into meltdown
along with the whole Irish soccer scene, journalists, ex pro etc
So lets cast the net wide. If it's true and Kenny is on 500,000 a year (which is bonkers btw, he should have been offered 20% more than he was on at a LOI club, or go sling his hook), then there are going to be loads of really good managers globally who'll take hand and all off us
Or maybe, find someone like Anthony Barry, who's undoubtedly a really good coach, and ask them if they want a shot at managing.
Remember, you get international players for a week at a time.. you don't ever know you have a full squad until they all turn up.. you can't do a huge amount of new work with them
So find a game plan, put the players into it.. and drill the hell out of them for a few days to try to get them playing
Indeed, as Stuttgart88 has pointed out, us mere fans don't really know what's out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Ideally, the FAI would draw on all of their resources and unearth a Postecoglou-esque or de Zerbi-esque diamond for the job....but who really has faith in them to do that.
Alternatively, you might have taken a punt on any one of twenty other little-known rookie French managers who'd hardly played professionally (or one of 20 other managers in the J-League), and what would you have got?Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
Ditto any of the other managers in the A-League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
That is, we all know that there are unknown, unconsidered individuals out there in the crowd who could turn out to be brilliant, but which ones?
It's a bit like when Mourinho exploded upon the scene from nowhere (hadn't even played the game). Suddenly Portugese managers were all the rage. Next in line was Villas-Boas, who wasn't bad, but wasn't up to JM's standard either. Eventually we got to the likes of Nuno Espiritu Santo before realising that Portugese managers could be just as crap as anyone else!
I think that is the only possible way we could actually downgrade from Kenny. Makes it more likely for the FAI to pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
We could go back to the days of a selection committee. Nominate 5 foot.ie posters to select the side but let MyPost and Crafty take training (Stutts can train the goalkeepers).
Nuno Santo not a crap manager. Wrong man, wrong club wrong time with Spurs no doubt but far from a crap manager. Ridiculous example.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Keith Andrews career in senior management is over.
Nonsense about data and how we should have won loads of games etc and an unfounded accusation against Greece.
He's so fired
And after 8 months out-of-work after Spurs, he ended up in.... .... Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Take away the influence of his Agent, Jorge Mendes, and what are you left with? A hugely overrated manager, who eventually got found out.
Ok, I'll do it. But Im bringing a 70s Adidas trackie with me. No Castore carry on here boyo. Mypost you can bring your hulahoop & flip flops, don't worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Kenny era to formally end on Nov 28th according to Examiner
Would be far from my first choice - but when you are talking about the likes of O'Shea, Andrews, Robbie Keane (and Roy Keane for that matter) - I would go with Coleman (or Stephen Reid) before any of them. He strikes me as the type of person who would get the most out of an international team (he actually reminds me a lot of Johnny Giles in his outlook to football)Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
That would be a big issue - and why I would be more inclined to go with someone like Chris Hughton - a highly regarded coach - an underrated manager - someone who has had success at club level and now has international experience - including at a major tournament which will take place in a couple of months. He has coached underage teams - he has been a first team coach under 11 different managers - and has more managerial experience in the PL than all bar a small number of managers (the average lifespan of a PL manager is less than 2 years - Hughton has more than 5 1/2 years - and did it by getting two teams promoted - he also has been sorting out a basket case of an international set-up in Ghana for the last couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen