Harsh but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
No club can ignore the finances to keep the manager happy. Personally I'm glad to hear the board aren't being reckless.
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Harsh but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
No club can ignore the finances to keep the manager happy. Personally I'm glad to hear the board aren't being reckless.
An utterly bizarre piece of chat by the Longford Co-comm last night describing the night's game and all other fixtures between the two sides as Treaty's biggest of the season and of their history.
Not sure what that's about.
If part of the Rovers model is to win the league every year, then you can’t finalise the budget for the next year, until you have won the league. That the league is not wrapped up is probably delaying the ability to offer deals to existing and new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I would also think the massive reduction in euro money in 2023 is also a factor, because it is 20% of what was made in 2022. Plus you don’t know if that minimum €800k will be available for 2024,until you win the league.
The whole situation does have shades of the end of O’Neill’s tenure at the club.
You've gotta love of a bit of foot.ie fake newsQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Rovers financial plan was the we win the league once every three years and qualify for Europe every second year ( if that’s changed then the membership will be rightly annoyed at the lack of info)Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
So we had a €1.5m deficit this year ( which in the great scheme of things might be ok) the real question is whether the board (a) wants to reduce the annual budget (b) leave as is and (c) sanction a increase …..
Sounds like someone is trying to get better deals for said players.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
And if there is a gap in Rovers' Finances, maybe get your tickets soon lads?
https://www.finegael.ie/superdraw-2023
What won't help next year is, the UEFA money from this season will 'only' be just over 1m, a group stage would have got 3.1 so its easy accounting figs to see the gap. Pats too will be 'down' 300k or so as will only get 250k as they exited in R1, and Dundalk another who are down on projections, will 'only' get 550k v 750k (we were favs to beat KA of Iceland) Derry will pick up 750k I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Rovers probably still in a good place finance wise, but would be well served to look at their wage bill, that must be very high.
The outlay on the women's team exceeded expected costs, and combined with the failure this season to garner some euro cash means the budget is less than expected.
It does indeed feel the cycle of sucees is coming to an end,akin to the end of the MON era,and tbh , that doesn't really bother me.
We've had great success for 5 years and the team needs to be overhauled.
Nothing lasts forever.
Agreed since that awful press release from club in aftermath of Kerry game season has gone from bad to worst. Club dont accept any critcism from the hardcore that they have to ban a certain Longford Town Fan who was brave enough to confront the writer of that piece and for that was banned from last night from all home games!Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Considering the rate of knots of (semi?) pro contracts and some big signings were made from more established womens' powerbases tbh thats not a surprise. Its seemed a bit old fashioned 'lets build quickly to win the league to help cover the outlay'. Could still work yet and will robably bear fruit in coming seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Bardley was damn blunt in that interview on 'behind the scenes', blasé from a manager that hold the cards that 4 title in a row brings. Eras do end as Dundalk fans have often been reminded here but damn its worth the many many more years of 'why do I bother?!'.
I for one will welcome our new overlords, whoever they may be !Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
One of the fun things about supporting the league here is that teams have a nice run for a few years, then it’s someone else’s turn.
So you’re saying we spent based on ‘expected’ rather than earned income and also went above projected budget for the woman’s team…. I sure hope that isn’t the case and if it is then the board deserve to be seriously held accountable; especially as they turned down €450k for Jack B only a few months back… can’t believe that knowing the state of our finances in June they’d of taken that risk and in effect gambled on us repeating last years (financial) success in EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Hoping it stays that way because I think that is becoming less common in sports generally. In a data driven world it's more difficult to overcome weaknesses or to stop somebody driving home their advantage when so many aspects can be identified objectively. Player recruitment always has a bit of the unknown but you recruit a player with far more "knowns" these days. That, money (obviously), the likes of sports psychology and all the other things that are part of modern sport all contribute. Or at least that's my thoughts/fear/worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Bradley's quote is seriously disrespectful and childish too. He's first team manager, you'd expect he'd advocate strongly and passionately for playing budget increases and against decreases. However, to say that "certain people are trying to stop you winning" because they're, presumably, trying to safeguard the club's finances is rotten and irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Not a pop at Rovers btw, more a defence of Rovers. I've been through those times when our club was in serious trouble. So flagging potential finance issues early and reviewing budgets is not someone working against the club or on-field success, it's part of trying to run a club properly.
I agree financial prudence is vital…. My potential issue is that if we’re €1.5m in debt ( as against a loss of that much) I’d be seriously concerned… albeit I’m still very concerned if we’re running a projected operating loss of €1.5m for this year…. I also don’t like Bradley publicly making the negative comments about the board ( they may be correct but there’s a time and place….) anyway all will be sorted in a few weeks and we’ll then where we are… I expect that whatever the outcome is we’ll still be very very competitive next year as we chase (hopefully) a five in a rowQuote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
Yeah a bit of that playing off on another club will be going on with players/agents for wages and certain managers for budgets as with most seasons but there does seem to be a small amount of genuine idiocy around LOI circles claiming that the €2.3 to €2.4 million going into Shels via Acunmedya is that amount per season and when it's an initial investment for all aspects of the club with a slice of that sum will be going into the first team budget next season likely leaving Shels with the 4th highest budget as Dundalk and Sligo looking like they will be making cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSIL
Of course Ilicali with his finances could go all-in at Shels any point and shower the likes of Jack Byrne or whoever with 3k per week offers but it certainly isn't happening right now and any player or manager telling their current club or the media today that Damien Duff has a 60k per week budget or offered them a 3 year 3k per week contract is a lying little scrote
I doubt Dundalk's owner would have walked away from a deal that involved the sort of money of a 60k weekly budget, I highly doubt they'd that senstitive to O'Donnel's tactics or Hull loanees. Surely people know that the deal for Shels was very similar to the one offered to Dundalk (considerind UEFA coeff which has its own value) so people kinda know what the package involves. Its not game changing stuff!
As far as I can tell Matt Connor makes a mistake that leads to a goal every week for Bray.
Yeah he's absolutely woeful, always has been. On the subject of bad keepers, Corey Chambers on Saturday night....yikesQuote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Drogheda fans banned from their next away match due to the linesman getting struck on Friday...
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soc...4gZGpYH-QgN4og
Fair enough, about time this got punished. Although technically speaking it’s rovers that will take a financial hit here rather than Drogheda, so maybe a home game would’ve been a better deterrent. They hit the Lino with a bottle when they played Pats in United Park too within the last year so it’s not the first time it’s happened with them. I’ve also seen Shels and Bohs fans hit linesmen with bottles in Tolka and Dalymount in the last year, as well as a Finn Harps fan in Ballybofey at the Cup QF a few weeks ago. It’s a trend that has to stop across the board (regardless of how crap the officials might be)Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Agree typical Alice in wonderland logic from the the league that we end up taking a financial punishment …. Drogs would probably bring approx 150 max so that a €3k hit for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
As it happens having no away section means most likely we’ll sell more than 150 tickets to home fans as this match will be close to a sell out but that’s not the point .
They’d surely have precedent for an appeal, did Rovers fans not nearly take the head off a Waterford player with a firework a few years back then have a subsequent ban reduced?Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
They've lodged an appealQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Correct, that Waterford vs Rovers game was in late 2021, the punishment was that they’d play the first game of the 2022 season at home to UCD behind closed doors but after an appeal they punishment was changed to just a relatively small fine - something like €5k if memory serves me correctly. A joke of a decision at the time but as you say, the FAI set a precedent with that decision to overturn the original punishment so if I was Drogheda I’d be looking for the same treatmentQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
The FAI previously warned drogs FC,Johanna et al about fan behaviour at different away grounds and and Oriel was the final straw because of pyro and other obnoxious abuse.
Shams paying the price for them being c@&* is wrong
I can see drogs withdrawing the appeal on further appraisal
The linesman was hit with a flare so I’m not really sure how they can justify an appeal. I’d say the more annoying thing for Drogheda is the €8k fine.
Drogs will be very happy with an away day ban that doesnt hit them more severly in the pocket, seems tailor made to have minimal effect on them. We should appeal on their behalf so they get their ban reduced to a €15k fine only, they'd really appreciate it!!
The only mitgation for the club is that many of those away fans are banned by the club so possibly why 'away fans' have been focused on. If they dont already the club should be obligated to have spotters at the entrances at away games to discourage these banned cretins!
I was at a Drogs game last season where the lino was hit by an object by the Rovers fans, play was stopped as he was on the deck for a moment or two, this came after the Waterford incident and absolutely nothing came of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Drogheda can feel hard done by in that regard but overall the FAI had to eventually hand this punishment out to someone as launching objects on the pitch has started to become a problem at certain clubs and it needs to be stomped out.
I don't see how banning away fans and financially punishing the home club is the right decision though.
I see the Drogheda appeal has been rejected and the away fans will be banned for the game in Tallaght.
https://leagueofireland.ie/news/stat...appeal/id-5167
I wonder if they'll do Cork fans a favour and ban them from suffering a trip up to UCD for hitting Mark Doyle in the head with a glass bottle yesterday after his goal
Still a daft way of punishing a club by spreading that impact to another club. Would the same happen if it were Bohs fans for an away game at Rovers or visa versa. Im kind of surprised they appealed when a significant number of their travelling support are not that welcome at home - unless it was an appeal against the fine.
Decison costs Rovers propably €5000 and Drogs zero.
People in glass houses and all that but this is stupidity on a scale that the old FAI would have embraced.
Hopefully Rover next ban is away from home against Bohs !! :)
Fake news - what's a "significant number" oh wise one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Waterford getting pummelled by Galway this evening, not really showing much form leading up to the play offs....
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
Fake news? Apart from the Trumpism being an irritant your Famous 45 group has often been at odds with the club board. Many have been banned legitiately and arbitrarily many have boycotted home games and then fell away when the club didnt buckle too, but ask your own Event Controllers past or present about the exact numbers, some fact checking! DUFC hold the record for the number of 'fans' banned in one go at a couple of dozen or so, its a while back now but a 'significant number' were lifetime bans and those were on watchlists given to other clubs. Its not a bad thing, quite the opposite, if people misbehave they should be banned and Drogheda and decent fans should expect these idiots to be added to their unwanted list! Drogheda aint on their own either, all clubs refuse entry to people maybe unfairly at times - Marty and wider group of Section O could give some insight!
I am not going into it just yet Nesta as my younger sister had to act as mediator with the club and I have a certificate to bring into the PO tmw with proof of ID so its either good news or bad news. Proof of delivery came today so think it could be the club wanting proof that I have read the letter so wish me luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Reduced capacity for Turner Cross for crowd misbehaviour now. Cork fans must not have appreciated one of their players being tackled. Maybe the FAI are getting serious on this and not totally opping out - a few more clubs can expect sanction and I seriously hope the leaders of the shedside army (ugh hate these ultra names) have a good chat to their group as the culprits of items on the pitch and setting off fireworks. The only upside to having little to play for around halloween is that reduced Shed numbers means reduced scourge of fireworks...maybe.
The FAI have to been seen to be serious on this issue but it’s going to hard for clubs to prevent incidents. I’d imagine that the majority of fireworks and bottles are being let off & thrown by a certain younger age group of fans that don’t particularly give a toss about the consequences for their clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99