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The referee is a disgrace in this Derry game
Thought the 2-2 earlier was great fun, plenty of chances for both sides. Hard to know whether it's the best we've played this season or Rovers were hugely subpar themselves, but relieved to have gotten a result all the same.
Often thought that despite their success Rovers have been too cautious for their own good at times. They had a shocker by desperately trying to cling onto the win when they really didn't need to in taking off all of their forwards for defenders. Handed us the initiative in the game when we'd firmly lost it by that point.
Our midfield balance is all over the shop. We either have slow, unathletic defensive midfielders that struggle to get around or technical players whose natural game isn't the defensive aspect (or Forrester who just doesn’t look bothered). Across the season so far we're consistently getting overrun, losing duels, allowing acres of space etc in dangerous areas of the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Bohs title to lose now
There is a lot of points to be dropped in this league. Dont think Rovers are anyway out of the title race. I know Derry are missing a fair few players, but that starting 11 tonight is not anything that special. Losing Connolly for so long makes them somewhat way less intimidating.
The league seems very open from 1st to 9th.
Can’t see anyone catching us now to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
And the worst result of the weekend will be Treaty’s,2 up and a man up with 8 minutes left and draw,shocking….,
Certainly not helped by Alan Patchell playing more than the allotted time, but still should be seeing the game out.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Thought it looked absolutely shocking, and had same opinion last week for the Dundalk game, especially the box Sligo defending second half. I`m no fan of these pitches and DFC considering going bac k to grass, but at least the one in Oriel Park is green, and for some reason seems to be playing better this season, that said grass all day for me, but Derry's is almost at the point of looking unplayable.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
UCD are the 2nd worst team in the league. Pats (given their budget)are sh*t and by far the worst team in the league.
At least UCD have a plan and were competitive and their budget is a fraction of what Pats are spending
Thought UCD were decent. Their first goal was really tidy, and they were full of running. Mind you, they were poxed to keep it to 2-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
It is at the point of being unplayable. They have been told it’s at the end of it’s lifespan now and frankly it is a disgrace and needs to be constantly monitored now in terms of match worthiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Even as a Derry fan it would satisfy me greatly to see one of these stupid pitches deemed not fit for purpose.
That pitch in Derry is an absolute disgrace. Totally holding them back.
Not sure what to make of our performance this evening. Decent if very open for the first 55 minutes until Byrne scored his screamer. Then a mess for the next 25 minutes or so. We'd come back into it somewhat before Mulraney equalised with an excellent strike. Rovers had chances to win it at the end but thankfully didn't take any of them. Ref missed a few Rovers handballs at the end scramble which could have been disastrous. 3 excellent goals even if the shooter had more space they you'd like each time.
Still think we're a mess tactically but there was better effort and more quality at least.
Poor decisions on and off the pitch cost Treaty in Athlone who tbf deserved their point.Town dominated the match bar first twenty mins of second half ,but even with ten men controlled last twenty plus injury time .Treaty should have had stonewall pen with ref Patching making bizzare decisions all game.Good crowd 800 maybe 900 id say.No win in five for Treaty now.
It looks dangerous alright and an awful amount of injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Probably should have won it. Still a great night's work. This team is full of potential and work ethic is magnificent.
Squad is actually decent and it seems we can withstand a couple of injuries. Nando and Mata going on international duty will test us. Particularly Nando as Mahon still looks off the pace.
Jaysus the commentary was so bad though. Getting players' names wrong and then they thought Derry had used all their subs.
"Pinnicker', 'Jarlath Barlow' and the best one, 'Luke Fitzgerald'. Followed by a shout out to 'Paul in Connollys' and quoting Homer Simpson by the end.
Thought Ali Coote was great tonight even with his terrible penalty miss, fair play to him not letting his head drop after it. James McManus is such a good player too. He's always finding space for himself and is so composed on the ball for someone so young.
Five wins from six is a phenomenal start. Not getting too carried away so far but you have to enjoy moments like this.
Well, you’ve probably lost yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Decent game of ball in D7, despite the fai’s officials , ucd were very tidy and scored a lovely goal, delicate through ball worldie finish, beautiful. We then missed a pen spectacularly(thanks Ali ) but second half should have scored six, got two. U CD
keeper is a real deal lad, great game tonight. I think we’ll finish top 3, the mood is very positive, defeats don’t get to us like last season, and the connect between fan and player is back, they are working like dogs. Good times are a comin
city were cat again. shels deserved winners
I did say that earlier in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Very happy with that Shels three points, started both halves brilliantly, we grounded out the game smartly with our lead, team learned from the 2nd half of the Dundalk game at Oriel
Cork certainly looked like a newly promoted side, they were clueless in the final third for a team who were top goalscrorers after 5 games in the league before kick-off
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Originally Posted by total hoofball
totally outcoached. duff managed that game perfectly , intense in the first 15/20 of both halves, get the goal(s) then let us have the ball for the rest of the game because he knows we cant do anything with it. people dont like duff but hes unquestionably one of the better coaches in the league.
ye could probably do with an out and out no.9.
Still relatively early days of his Managerial career, but Duff looking like a quality coach/managerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Uusally silverware is a litmus test of a managers ability and Bradley is a good manager but not a great one, Rovers could and possibly should be charging toward another title or 2 bagged, even the odd double in that, considering their squad and resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Not unlike Doolin back in the day at Drogheda where it took him far too long (4yrs?) to get that only title over the line - broke Drogheda doing so and nearly broke the league trying to match the money he was throwing at his title building efforts.Ok this is more like a Bradley on steroids but I do think he has hit a ceiling a while back, that team could nearly coach themselves also. He has this super cautious streak, fear even, and time and again he has set up negatively obly to have to go at a side and realise that they were more than beatable from the getgo, mainly in Europe. Last night he was shoring up with subs against a side that defends as bads as anything I have seen in LoI (and I watched a 1st Division Dundalk with Baba Isaka in the side). It's hard to know hat is hapening at St Pats in that regard, lie preseasonn was all about attacking phases thinking that defending was sorted or will take care of itself. Player selection baffles where it feels like favourites are picked rather than a blend of players that compliment eachother....then do it again next game?! The league still has to settle so no alarm bells need sounding yet but it doesnt look like a Derry Rovers charge for the title will be that straight forward with plenty of sides that can pinch points off anyone- makes it a very interesting season. I hope Devines Bohs side follow the usual trend of his sides and they just run out of steam around july
Maybe Im being harsh on Bradles subs last night and just have never gotten over McCarthy's RoI going to a 5 man midfield when were were already in control and inevitably ceed midfield cause of the disruption and lose.
Have to disagree completely that Bradley is as a rule negative with his substitutions - over the last few seasons I’ve always been very impressed as to how often he was prepared to put on attacking players -and that’s why last night I think everyone in Tallaght was stunned when he replaced Kenny/Gaffney with Grace/Gannon ( ironically we still managed at least 3 clear chances and hit post twice). So wishful thinking to speak about fear in the manner he manages in the league - as for Europe I’d no issue with him playing ‘weakened’ teams last year to ensure we retained the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Whether he’s now coming towards the end of his time with us - personally I believe he’s only getting started , however if over the coming months we don’t get back into the title race then of course all bets will be off ( perhaps) right now however I think he’s the right person for the job and I expect we’ll be fine , even if we don’t win the league we’re now in a great place thanks to him and his colleagues with finances in great shape, a sustainable business model etc. so we’ll as we always have , will endure and prevail ….. as aside apart from the result last night was a cracking game and fair play to both sides
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Originally Posted by Nesta99
Not as hard as the reaction in the West stand last night "What the **** are we doing " was the general vibe, Burke was on the bench and is in great form PLUS can hold the ball, Ditto Ferizaj and Noonan. Why we thought bringing Gannon and Grace and Kavanagh on for Gaffney, Kenny and Clarke was going to result in anything other tahn changing the game completly....a game we were well on top in is anyones guess.
If we had just played the game out with the 11 on the pitch we would have won.
More of the same to come in Dundalk and Bohs next unless we decide to change things as its prety clear even a bad Pats and Shels team know how to deal with us.
What's the story with Liam Burt? Has he even started a league game yet?
Prioritising the league over Europe last season was fine, especially in group games. But in seasons before I dont think there is too much disagreement that the setup was conservative, it back fired more then once and when there was no option but to take the shackles off Rovers showed that they were well able to hurt the opposition and nearly turned ties around. I wouldnt count making positive substitutions when chasing a result as an indication of Bradleys inclination for taking risks. His default is safety first rather than showing a deeprooted belief that his side can compete with anyone. League aside of course as the sheer quality of the squad can carry the club to league titles. I have found many of his tactical choices over the years more negative than astute and effective and turn a game. I am really thinking more of European knockout games, as domestically Rovers have been on the front foot and winning with the quality of the squad. Sometimes its a simple as if its not broken dont fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
I dont know how you can say he is only getting started tbh, though I would agree that the squad is entering a phase of evolving, with some older players likely to be moved on and the need to a plan for a Mannus MkII etc. I would not at all criticise the role he has had in overall club development which is in rude health. But I dont think the 1st team would drop off under a new manager and a shrewd appointment raise the bar again. I wouldnt ether be calling for him to go due to a blip if I were a rovers fan, indeed Id be more scared if he left and how things could go under a new management team. Think Brighton after losing their popular and highly rated manager and how Potters replacement has brought the club from stable in the EPL (ther accepted ceiling) to being genuine contenders for Euroean qualification under DeZerbi. It wouldnnt surprise me at all if something similar happened with Rovers post Bradley.
Stephen Kenny may be free soon enough of Ireland start off qualifiers badQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
We don’t give second chances to failures ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
You give Bradley plenty of chances after plenty of failures early on so that’s a load of balls anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Rovers had plenty of chances to win every game this season but Kenny is proving to be a real novice up front, and combined with the league-wide unrestrained malevolence of LOI officials, Rovers have not started as hoped.
The only positive from yesterday is we didn't lose any ground to any of our credible league opponents.
Ansolutely, UCD were breathing down yer necks for a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Waterford score twice and get a red card in the space of 8 minutes,Ronan Coughlan scoring both….
Dear god it was meant as a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Who are you counting as credible league opponents, just Derry?Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
https://twitter.com/DroghedaUnited/s...yniAyyQ7Q&s=19
Seems a young lad had few too many Paddys Day. His tweets are available view on the quote to the post Drogheda have put up
Poor start to the season from Waterford,Danny Searle under pressure a bit already,no wins from 3 home games is a big surprise….