Why would we ? Unless the FAI demand that we play and we refuse.Surely even the FAI will agree to postpone this. Having said that, it’s the FAI, so............Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
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Why would we ? Unless the FAI demand that we play and we refuse.Surely even the FAI will agree to postpone this. Having said that, it’s the FAI, so............Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The Pats statement reads like they couldn’t get a return charter flight rather than a cancellation. Talks about communicating with FAI about their difficulties all week. I don’t see the issue with playing the game at 5pm if they are arriving in the early hours of the morning. It’s not like they’ve been kipping on the airport floor since the final whistle on Thursday night. I’m not one for conspiracy theories normally but if the Sofia tie was over at half time like the Sligo tie I think the game would have gone ahead as planned on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
I don’t think there should be a walkover but I think we need to hear more about what actually happened. When the league informed Pats that the game was moved to Sunday, why didn’t issues with their travel arrangements emerge then? Instead LOI social media is full of Pats fans saying the flight was pulled last minute during the match. Pats statement contradicts this.
Really ? You don’t see an issue with arriving on Sunday morning and playing at 5pm ? Seriously ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LOI101
This is completely outside Pats control. Everyone knows the difficulties with air travel at the moment. If Pats are punished for this it will be a disgrace. So much for supporting our teams in Europe.
Airports are full of people traveling for work so yes I don’t see the issue with traveling and playing the same dayQuote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Shelbourne should be delighted they’re involved in a conversation that relates to European football for the first time in 2 decades
To be fair, I don't believe all of those people traveling for work are being forced to use charters.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOI101
I don't see what that has to do with my point. If you're in the airport in the early hours of the morning, you'll see plenty of people travelling for work, often going straight to work when they get off the flight at their destination. So why can't a footballer get off a flight, whether its a charter or commercial flight, in the early hours and play a game at 5pm on the same day?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Pats' statement is certainly vague on any specifics of why they couldn't travel home which only adds more question marks. Nothing official from Shels yet regarding the cancellation it will be interesting if, last line of the FAI's statement leaves every scenario openQuote:
Originally Posted by LOI101
Looking at the UEFA Conference League regulations I.1 Travel Requirements the wording states that a charter flight is required travelling to Europa Conference League matches in the 3rd qualifying round, my interpretation would be that this does not apply to returning home after a Europa Conference League match? I'm not a legal expert or Ollie Byrne and I'm sure all sides are looking at the rule books forensically!
For the 3rd qualifying round and play-off matches, all teams are required to travel by charter flight and/or by private buses. This is applicable to all members of the team delegation travelling to a qualifying round or play-off match, regardless if they are travelling all together or by separate means.
https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulat...rements-Online
is this a serious questionQuote:
Originally Posted by LOI101
when was the last time a team couldnt fulfill a fixture because of screwed up travel arrangements.???
Either Pats didnt bother booking a flight home or they booked with unprofessional people. You cant delegate responsibility. If their arrangements screwed up and it effects Shels than Shels should get the points
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Let's imagine Pats encountered similar difficulties on their way to Sofia and only arrived on the morning of the game. The game would still have to be played?
Pats didn’t book the plane that’s been impounded in Longford did they?
On last night, right sickener the Dundalk equalizer, Maher showing what a good keeper he is up till then. Missed the stuff in the away end as was in the seats and got through out the home end (could well have had a pint in the Lilywhite lounge would have been nice!)
Story I read from comments online.... Derry fan ran onto the pitch after the final whistle, and was escorted off the pitch heavy-handley by the AGS. Other Derry fans reacted, and some pushing between the Guards and Derry fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSIL
Do Derry fans have a particular animosity towards Dundalk? Because, I don't think Dundalk would see it as a rivalry game (other than the situation in the table).
Because a game of football is not the same as a day at the office.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOI101
I’m sure you’d be saying the same if it was Rovers involved. I note Rovers are not playing this weekend incidentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Is there any precedent for this? Has something similar happened in this league or another (game postponed because of a lack of travel arrangments)?
I could see both views... If I remember, Waterford had to play with their u-19s when the majority of their squad were out with Covid-19... Obv not the same, but you could use it as precedent.
Comfortable win for City at home to Athlone last night. I think we might have scored with nearly every chance we had. We have a huge week coming up next week. Waterford v Galway is on Friday while we're at home to Treaty, and then we're at home to Waterford Monday in a rearranged fixture before we play Cobh away the following Friday. A chance to open up some ground over Galway or a chance for Galway to eat up some of the gap if we're not at it in all 3 games.
According to some Derry fans some Dundalk have played up when they’ve come to the Brandy, you’ll have to ask Brendy or DCWA about that as most away fans (apart from Rovers a few years back) are alright. There’s a rivalry in that we’re challenging you and Rovers for trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
There was a bus load of lads who’d been drinking all day they might have been involved.
Rovers are not playing this weekend because we went through the correct process and rescheduled the game. Pats could have done the same and chose not to. I would feel the same if it was rovers btw but I will be disaapointed with the club if they couldn't organise their travel arrangements like EVERY other club in Europe this week except Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Shelbourne have had just two home games in 3 months! It's great to see LoI clubs progressing in Europe but it's a double whammy on their league opponents that they are taking in the European money and disrupting their league rivals season. If Pat's are legitimately stranded in Bulgaria, it is an exceptional circumstance. In all other circumstances, European teams should be playing 3 days later in the domestic league, allowing at least 4 days prior to their next European game. If teams are benefitting from a European hangover, so be it. Success brings more games.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022...d-in-bulgaria/
Sure there was a massive punch up on the pitch after the 2019 LC final. Was at it, disgraceful scenes with both sets of fans at fault (plus poor security but nobody asked the lads on the pitch to act like savages). Since then it's been spicy enough and now the whole "Derry stealing players" nonsense has added fuel to the fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSIL
I dont recall that 2019 incident but then maybe my attention was on celebrating winning a trophy and not seeking out someone to fight with. Whats the chances of multiple incidents same idiots!? I have to say in all the years of having Derry fans in Oriel and travelling up to the Brandywell there has never been anything but a good friendship between the respective supporters. Isolated incidents like the windows broken on the bus at the Brandywell but that was acknowledged as people not at the game or Derry fans. There was minimal security for Derry's visit on Friday - you know there's concern when there are no tickets on the night for example.
It sounds to me that one Derry fan took exception to the late equaliser, maybe some taunting, in a 'haze' entered the pitch area, got manhandled by Gardaí (there is usually moaning about them doing nothing and slow in taking action and now that they have responded to misbehavioor it's heavy handed?) and his buddies had a hissy fit so a number of the public order unit were deployed to calm things down. Havent heard anything about injuries or arrests so might just have done the job.
Poor fare in the show grounds so far, bohs with the one scramble near goal.
The big lad pinaker(?) at the back for Sligo looks good, best for bohs are mcdaid Burke and O’Sullivan, but lacking in attempts at goal so far
Bohs take the lead then concede 2 in 3 minutes…..
bohs in a nutshell
Yep , same all ****ing season. New squad same problem.
If any team could lose to Sligo outside of Europe, you could be damn sure it would be us. Mid table mediocrity is becoming our thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dermobohs
Good second half and a badly needed win for us. Big game in Inchicore on Sunday. Hopefully Pats are worrying about a play off.
If we’re worrying about a playoff we won’t be playing you next Sunday. FAI already said it will be off if either side progresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Did they? Hadnt heard that. We won’t be progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Come on on now Tony, do you not think Pats maybe engineered this a little and knew full well the times of the charter?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Dundalk arrived home from Russia on a Sat am in Nov 2016 and played and almost won a cup final next day, yes they complained about the game but still fulfilled the fixture.
So did I, a point closer to achieving the season long aim of re-qualifying for Europe, nothing taken for granted but its looking good we will might get either 2nd or 3rd now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
No anomosity toward Dundalk apart from possibly between the younger fans of each team (not sure if this the case but both, much like plenty other clubs like act up to each other).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
What I would say is that the actions of the Gardai and certain Dundalk cllub officials who Inwill refrain from naming on this site were unbelievable. Genuinely had to seen to be believed.
Those free state *******s in the guards been hung in the right time.
Not sure what you are getting at?Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
I am sure it can be figured out handy enough. A clearly intelligent poster like yourself I have no doubt has gathered already, give or take.
Usually people are giving out the Gardai are too soft when there's trouble at LOI games, if you can't go to a game and behave yourself you deserve a good crack of a bat. Might not some sense into the clowns who think they are extras on green Street.
What's the difference getting off a flight and getting off a bus?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
It's not ideal circumstances, but teams travel six hours on a bus to the Brandywell, get off it, play a match, then go straight back down the road.
Do feel for Shels in this instance.
Such a poor second half performance from Derry on Friday night. We so thoroughly expected the Dundalk goal, it was barely disappointing to concede, but rather we were glad they didn't do it then minutes early. Dundalk would have the game in that instance.
Not exactly sure what went on after, but heard some lad had his glasses broken by a guard and a four year old got pepper-sprayed.
FWIW, whatever about the guards, but if fans weren't moving towards the trouble, there'd have been no issue.
What teams travel 6 hours by bus to Derry? Would Cork not stay overnight for example? Dublin teams don't get straight off the bus and play a game - they'd arrive up 3-4 hours before the game, have lunch in a hotel, and prepare professionally.
If you're looking at two flights (which you would, if you're going no-charter from Sofia to Dublin) to arrive in on the morning of the game, then you've got an early start in a different time zone (Sofia is two hours ahead) and none of that is conducive to arriving in the airport, getting a bus to Tolka, and playing a match at 5pm.
Have sympathy for Shels here and if Pat's have screwed up with their Euro arrangements then I think a walkover would probably be the correct decision. But I don't think the ideas of "Ah sure they can land in the airport on Sunday morning and play a game" or "A game of football is the same as an office job" really stack up.
Cork/Cobh, I don't think they always stay over. They'll obviously have a bit of food beforehand, and Pat's would have had the spare time too.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm saying that there should be no difference based on the mode of transport. It's just a flight.
Did Pat's get their charter in the end, or go commercial?
There's direct option with Ryanair that gets in just after midnight.
Regardless, it's far, far from ideal, but I don't see how it's not possible to do it.
Essentially, Pat's didn't play because they had a late night on Saturday.
They could still get a sleep, then be able to meet up a few hours before the game.
Alternatively, they could have asked for delayed KO.
I absolutely get why they didn't play the match, but it's still better to play than possibly lose the three points.
Well there is no evidence that is the case. I don’t know the full ins and outs, but what is clear is that the FAI were kept fully informed. If they feel that Pats were playing games then no doubt they will give the points to Shels.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
I’m sure that the people wanting us to play on Sunday, or even Monday, would take a different view if their club was involved. If the shoe was on the other foot I would hope I wouldn’t be as petty as to want to see Shels lose the points.