we can jump them this round if longford & cork both win & Belorussia's teams loseQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
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we can jump them this round if longford & cork both win & Belorussia's teams loseQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
The team from Iceland lost 2-1 away to a team from Azerbaijan.
They both won away last week so I can't see them both losing. Lets hope so though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Iceland & Belarus have lost their CL teams so good chance to pass them now. Looks like eL will likely be very close to mid 30's countries for catching them in future seasons...
Roll on the good times! :DCode:37 Liechtenstein 0.500 1.000 0.000 2.000 1.000 4.500 1/ 1
38 Iceland 0.833 0.166 0.500 2.500 0.500 4.499 2/ 3
39 Belarus 0.750 1.166 0.666 0.500 0.833 3.915 2/ 3
40 Ireland 0.666 0.166 0.333 1.333 1.333 3.831 3/ 3
There's a few countries there in the mid 20's who could be set to take a fair coefficient hit over the next few years. Slovakia will lose 3.5 from 01/02 next year and their champions only won one leg of their tie and go on to face ****** in the next round. Slovenia who are going to lose 1.5 from 01/02 have had their champions knocked out too, though one of their UEFA Cup entrants only have to play a San Marino side and their other one has a bye to the 2nd round. However I reckon they're going to go down 0.5. Bosnia who are 30th had their champs knocked out by a side from Luxembourg (no side from there has won a tie in 42 years). Bosnia have a 3.0 which will disappear in a few years so they could be on the slide too. We've got to try and get over 2.0 this year and then every year consistently and we will rise. Next year we will lose a 0.666 which though is pathetic is still one of our better scores. However the next few years we'll shed some pathetic ones.
2007 and 2008 will basically be free years for us, as the scores we lose are worthless. So lets hope we start building up some European momentum! :) Cork and Longford winning now as well as a good home result (win!) for Shels against Steaua will have us reeling in the higher teams at a frantic pace. If we can get 7 games played by the end of next week, with no losses, and 6 (or 7!) wins, it would just be incredible!!
I think getting by Iceland is the immediate aim as based on UEFA's seeding system for the UEFA Cup, ie Northern, Central, Southern qualification groups, Iceland are our nearest competitor for seedings in the first qualifiy round. By my reckoning if we dont surpass Iceland's ranking score this year there is a strong likelihood that our representatives wont be seeded in next year's UEFA cup. Shelbourne, if they qualify for Europe next year, will be seeded based on their team coefficient but everyone else.....
We need to get by those Icelandic sheep-head eaters.
Assuming its Cork in the CL next year, are they likely to be seeded?
I'd imagine its possible to bypass Lichenstein aswell, results depending of course, but I'd expect Cork to at least challenege strongly for, if not qualify for, the UEFA 1st Round proper. There's at least 4 more games for us to play, probably 8 though in reality, with hopefully even more after that! :D
Yes. The champions league first qualifying round is divided into 10 seeded and 10 unseeded teams. Currently there are ten leagues that enter a team in the champion league ranked below us. I dont think any of those countries have a team that would have a higher team ranking than what Cork will have if they win the league. However UEFA is not particularly fond of Armenia and Kazakhstan so if their league champions are not "allowed" to enter the competition next year Cork could be unseeded depending on the coefficient score the league is able to build this year. That's why both Cork and Longford need to win their matches next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
On the Bert Kassies site, you can see current standings for as far ahead as 2009, which only count this year and last year. We're currently 30th, though a couple of countries (Denmark, Poland, Switzerland, Bulgaria, etc.) have yet to play any games this year, though of course, we're not finished ourselves yet either. It's about as good a way as you have of looking into the future. In 2008, we're 38th, so once we get the three poor years out of the way (and assuming we continue to have the same success), we should start moving up a nice bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Whats interesting is if the country seedings on Bert's site went to 2010 we'd be 1st. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2006.html
Well done shels last wednesday now its cork and longford turn next week and hopefully shels can get another win too that be class :D
Well, still unbeaten and another draw to the co-efficent with Cork and Longford hopefully adding to it tomorrow. We have now offically beaten last years effort co-efficent wise, we'll hopefully have topped the 2000/2001 with minimum five more games to come by tomorrow.
I can't speak for any other club but i think that assuming City make next round i think we are good for some more points no matter who we draw. Even when we couldn't get results away from home we usually get something from home games.
There is nobody in that draw Cork should fear, they should be looking at the first round proper. So hopefully alot more points to come.
Shels draw last night has moved us up ahead of Belarus in the ranking.
This is a key move as our champions are now in line to be seeded in next season's champions league again. This would depend on no team below them having a club coefficient.
However it is still very very tight. Both Belarus clubs have home games tonight against teams they've beaten away so Cork and Longford must at least match those results.
Note if Shels were to win the league they would most likely be seeded thanks to their club coefficient.
Yes just ahead of Belarus but now its up to Cork and Longford tonight to get 2 wins and push up to the Iceland and pass these to. then in the next round, then who knows!!!! Shels did ok last night and hopefully they might do something in the away leg - well at least they wont lose like ******!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Good news as such
MTZ RIPO (BLS) 1 Ferencvaros 2.
Belarus side through but defeat means no coefficient points albeit chance in the next round.
BATE are 3-0 up in the first half so safe to say a win and a defeat tonight for Belarus. 2 teams left in europe.
Now come on Cork and Longford. We n eed both through and ideally a min of a draw each to ensure we remain ahead of Belarus. A couple of wins would give us nice breathing space.
I wonder do they realise in Belarus how avidly fans on the other side of Europe are watching a game between BATE and Torpedo Kutasi.
BATE now 5 up in the first half.
for those that don't want to go googling or looking on the UEFA site to see the names of the teams for each country, this livescore site has the country name in brackets:
http://www.soccerstand.com/
Good one actually I'm using
http://www.footienews.com/uefacupresults.html
but your one looks bettwer for europe anyway.
Now we back down to 40th placed again in the rankings belarus gone above us again :o
Updated after tonight's games. We're still in 40th with only Cork left. Belarus have two teams left, so it looks like 40th place next year.
Think this means if Cork or Derry win the league, they'll be unseeded in the CL, which would be a blow, but not exactly insurmountable. The UEFA Cup will be touch and go. However, if we can get another 1.5 next year, we'll be up to about 5.000 (assuming Cork get no points this year), and then be seeded in both competitions which would be a massive boost. If we get seeded, there's no reason we can't keep the seeding, get more draws like the last two years (and make more of them...) and get more glamour games. Can only be good for the league. Think the next three years, we're going to move up fairly quick, to be honest.
And hey, if Cork can get a win and a draw to get through the UEFA, and then get a draw in the First Round - happy days! :)
I think even 1 win for City this season may not be enough for CL seeding for ourselves or Derry in the 2006 CL.
However progression to the 1st round proper & even a draw there would ensure Cork City would get seeded.
Its hard to calculate though as a lot depends on whether teams with their own club ranking points win their leagues.
Its all up to City now .... doing well makes it easier next year ..... even more incentive to win this year.
It's not a total disaster if Cork can't get seed for them or Derry in next year's CL. All the seeded sides in the 1st round are beatable by either of them if you ask me unless we have some Liverpool like situation again.
Despite Cork's fantastic result and performance no change in the seeding.
Belarus side MTZ-RIPO drew at home to Teplice and realistically between themselves and BATE they will pick up enough to keep ahead of us.
However the big incentive for Cork now is to get through to the first round. Any result in the first round would give Cork a club coefficient and most likely give them 5 years of seeding in either the champions league or UEFA cup.
Good result by Cork. We got the 1.666 that the league has been pushing for. It didnt seem that hard this year and even longford contributed something.
If we get the same points for the next 3 years we jump 10 places :eek: thats pretty impressive IMO. Then the league is just 5 places off getting a by into the second round. But it all depends on the draw, we could get very tough opposition in the second round.
I dont know if Cork can get into the next round or not. As Richardson says, their chances are only about 50/50. A couple of draws in the next round and its another 1 to CCFC co-efficent and I dont know what it would add to Ireland co-efficent..
The problem however is that we got good results this year because Shels and Longford were both seeded. Our champions won't be seeded now unless Shels somehow win the league or Cork get through another round and get a result (eg at least a draw in one leg). Being unseeded means you get a tougher draw and it is much harder to get points.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Has anyone got the latest rankings? Berts site doesn't seem to be updated since the 6th?
i hate to be a realist but i cant see shels winning the league >< , there are too many problems with the club IMO. we havent been firing on all cylinders all season and i dont think we will start now.
A more realistic option is for CCFC to win the league and beat Durjgardens in Turners Cross in two weeks time. Thats still a tall order but hopefully we will all be in Europe and seeded next season.
So how much co-efficent points does CCFC have to make up so that the EL clubs are seeded next season ??
Most of the teams that are seeded in the first round of the Champions League and UEFA Cup qualifiers arent exactly world beaters anyway so it might not be that big of a loss.
Assuming Shels get into UEFA they will I think be seeded because of their club coefficient. Hopefully a City win in the home leg would then be sufficient to get the coefficient up to a level where the other UEFA participant (could still be CCFC) is also seeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
The only hope now IMO of seeding in the CL is for Cork to get past Djurgarden and pick up some club points in the first round proper. If Derry win they will certainly be unseeded in the CL.
Longford were seeded in the UEFA this year, don't forget. I think the two Irish teams - even if Shels aren't one - will be borderline seeded. Possibly split like this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
CL - we need to gain another two places or so, I think? A win for Cork in the First Round is needed realistically.
As you say the big thing is seeding. If we can get seeded and hold on to it, it makes a big difference in trying to pick up the points in the 1st round qualifier.
Were up to 35th in this but it doesnt take account of corks draw last night
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html
Cork have another 1.5 co efficent points to get for seeding so they need to draw or win the next game followed by result that makes up the difference should they get into the 1st round proper.
If they could win against Djurgardens it would be fantastic. Still feet on the ground they could lose it shels style :D
If Cork do get through you'd back them to at least pick up some kind of result in the next round, which would give them a club co-efficent and get them seeded if they win the league, wont it?
in a nutshell .. yes
1.5 co-effient points to get. Next round points are doubled so I really hope they make it through !! for shels benefit of course. speaking of shels .. we really have to make 2nd spot.
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Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Not if they were to draw one of the top seeds. Can you see them getting a result against Roma, Sampdoria, Everton, Middlesborough, Bolton etc? Would be good draws for getting money but bad for a chance of getting through to the group stages.
On that point btw, Does anyone else think that getting to the group stages of the UEFA cup might be a more realistic target for Irish teams than getting to the Champions League groups?
Seedings
We got one off Lille :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac
Keep in mind worst comes to worst and say they get hammered in the first leg the others could put out a reserve team in the second so they will get the co-efficent. I'd back them to get a result, not progress, but get a result.