Not quite live, it's on delayed transmission. Setantas coverage starts after the final whistle.
I also can't go as I'll be at Oxygen by then, I'd say a few will be in the same boat.
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Not quite live, it's on delayed transmission. Setantas coverage starts after the final whistle.
I also can't go as I'll be at Oxygen by then, I'd say a few will be in the same boat.
I see what you are saying but maybe they (setanta) choose to show dublin derbies on tv because people at home dont think it is safe to bring the kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
I think Setanta should show City vs Bohs live and have full defereed coverage of Derry City vs Finn Harps or the other way around which ever. Have Shels a serect deal with Setanta that we don't know about. :mad: :confused: I wouldn't be surprised if they had. Shels are no longere the best team in the eircom league. CIty are. :) Then come Derry. ;)
Definitely. The point about the grounds is valid, but is kind of moot for the likes of Derry v. Harps, when the ground will be fairly full anyway. Even crappy grounds look good when full. I think every effort should be made to feature at least every Premier Division team (not necessarily at home) for the simple reason of giving exposure to as many teams as possible and giving them the benefits of extra sponsorship opportunities, etc. to avoid the top teams getting further ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebal Boy
Obviosuly fair dues to the stations for showing this level of interest, and obviously the top teams should be shown more often, but there's no excuse for not mixing things around a bit. I think the recent Cup games - the likes of the finals and the semis, some of which had First Division teams in them and many of which had lower teams in them - shows that these games can be just as good as Dublin derbies.
Setanta are not only showing Shels games. They showed the Pats-Drogheda game recently, but even though they have a poor fan base, Shels have earned the right to have their games shown. They are unique as they are a) the current champions, and b) the best known club with barstoolers after their European achievements last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
Except for the derbies, games in Dublin rarely get big crowds, as there are 4 clubs competing for support. Cork, on the other hand, is a one-club city. If there were several clubs in Cork, they wouldn't be getting 6-7,000 for home games.
Alternatively, there are clubs like er,...UCD that they could show!! :eek: :D
Ok, mainly Shels games soQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
The 'right to have their games shown'??? :confused:Quote:
but even though they have a poor fan base, Shels have earned the right to have their games shown.
a) Currently they have religation formQuote:
They are unique as they are a) the current champions, and b) the best known club with barstoolers after their European achievements last season.
b) Rovers are the most recognisable club (after all, most Dublin barstoolers used to follow Rovers when they were in Miltown :rolleyes: )
And not even then sometimes!Quote:
Except for the derbies, games in Dublin rarely get big crowds,
Ya, but because Dublin is more than 4 times bigger than Cork, that rules out that arguementQuote:
as there are 4 clubs competing for support. Cork, on the other hand, is a one-club city. If there were several clubs in Cork, they wouldn't be getting 6-7,000 for home games.
Well, if they were playing... Shels :rolleyes:Quote:
Alternatively, there are clubs like er,...UCD that they could show!!
This is unreal. A TV station finally takes the eL seriously and yet all the Cork Sh!tty fans find a way to gripe about it!
:mad:
:rolleyes:
:D
I thought it was a good move for Setanta to show Shels v Cork City live on that monday as might have encouraged more subscriptions in Cork.
Most people in Dublin get Setanta included in NTL subscription so not likely to encourage much extra subscribers.
Overall i think Setanta are just lazy & are going for easy local option. If you look that their summer schedule is feck all live sport so IMO they are showing more games as they are desparate to fill schedule.
I would guess Cork hve better support than Shels. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelsman
I suspect so too, but am not complaining! Besides, the quality of some of the games ( and goals ) has been very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Plus, Shels always lose in front of the cameras, I'd've thought you lot would be delighted! You can thank Setanta if you win the league :p
Shels are second in the league. They had a bad patch, but it's not relegation form. Shels don't know the meaning of the word "relegation". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
No, it doesn't actually, it reinforces it. 6-7,000 people go to games in Cork, but not much more than 10,000 people go to games in Dublin. The Dublin area is a lot smaller than the Cork one, and 4 clubs are competing for support in Dublin. That's why there are poor crowds. If it was a one city team, they would get far bigger crowds at games.Quote:
Ya, but because Dublin is more than 4 times bigger than Cork, that rules out that arguement.
My only gripe about Setanta is that they show live, or deferred games while most of the other games are going on also, or are just finished. Their live games should be on a Saturday evening, when more people can watch them.
Setanta are scheduled to show the Rovers-Derry game. But as Rovers could face a winding up order earlier in the day, there is a serious risk of the game not going ahead at all. :( :(
Rovers - Derry live on Setanta this Friday @ 7:30. :)
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
The city of Dublin has a population of over a million and is much, much bigger in area than Cork, or did you not know that???:confused:
Really ? So what happened to you in 1985 - the very first time that relegation was introduced into Irish football ? I'll admit that most of the PARENTS of your fans now probably weren't even born then, but surely falling at the first hurdle in Irish football should be a bad enough memory to see through any collective amnesia...?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Just out of curiousity, let's see which of the other big clubs in the league have to-date ever been relegated :
Cork..? No.
Derry...? No - though we did manage to end-up in a superb play-off once.
Bohs - came close, but no.
Rovers - no (though this season is looking a bit ominous).
St Pat ? - no.
Fancy that - seems like only Shels of the 'big' clubs in the league have ever been relegated. And at the very first time of asking as well ! Maybe Shels fans should have a better understanding of the word 'relegation'.... :eek: :D
Rovers v Derry this friday
At last - a game not involving Shels !Quote:
Originally Posted by kevincronin2000
But STILL one played in Dublin ! Why ??? I know this week's fixtures aren't great overall, but surely Drogs v Cork is the plum tie of the series ? Louth is hardly far from Ath Cliath.... ?
This pretty much confirms what we all know - Setanta are just lazy mutha feckas......
This could be Rovers last game, its historical :) ;)
well setanta do seem to like the friday night slot, and with our game being moved to sunday, it was very unlikely that they would show it
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDai
It could also be the end of your title illusions for 2005 if you fail to beat Longford on Friday, which would be of equal historical note ! Hey - maybe that's why Setanta have been covering so many Shels games of-late....? :p
We played that game about 3 weeks ago, it was brough forward, and we got the 3 points from it! :p :D
Apologies for my lack of intimate knowledge of the Shels fixture list..... :cool: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDai
You're still only a few defeats away from looking unlikely to win the league though, which is why I'm convinced Setanta have been hanging round you like vultures, looking to capture another classic 'Olly goes Bananas' moment if and when it happens..... :p
He's a Rovers fan you clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What happened in 1985? We won the league and cup double. Happy days. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The Drogheda forum says the Dundalk website says Dundalk v. Drogheda is the live Cup game at the end of next month.
August 26th apparently. Saw it somewhere last night, probably in this thread somewhere! Will be a cracking match! And in Oriel with the new pitch too! :)
I read that somewhere too, the game has even been moved for the TV so it's more than likely true. I'm suprised but pleasantly so, it's the one tie I really wanted to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And we're playing Longford away the next day, so for once I'll actually get to watch! Don't think I've seen any game outside the Setanta Cup live this season (only chance was Rovers-Bohs on the opening day when we played on the Wednesday, but I was at that match).
Time to get out that dusty atlas, ahem!!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Now, when you leave the very small city of Dublin, you can be in Meath, Kildare, Wicklow or beyond, in less than an hour, whereas when you leave Cork City heading North, you can still be in Co. Cork 90 minutes later!!
The Cork region is enormous compared to Dublin, so it's no surprise that a one-club city can have regular big crowds at it's home games, given the size of the place. Dublin is small in comparison, and has 4 clubs and 2 amateur ones all competing for support against each other, with the same amount of NL fan base as Cork City. That explains why Shels have a relatively poor fan base, and Cork has so much.
To compare the county of Cork with Dublin you'd also have to include Wicklow, Kildare & Meath. Its like comparing 300k to 1,300,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
The reason some Dublin clubs fail to attract fans is lack of community. I don't think your average dubliner identifies with any club in the City.
Did that synthetic pitch actually get built? I read an article in Ireland on Sunday (before the season started) that the club ran into financial trouble over the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDai
Cheers Cosmo. I hope it works out for them.
that's exactly it. When your average Cork man with no interest in the EL sees Cork have done well he'll be happy, straight away he sees it's Cork City playing and straight away he feels that's his team, even if he'll never go out to support them there is already a connection made.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Your average dubliner sees St Pats, Shelbourne, Shamrock Rovers, UCD, CHF and Bohs and they mean nothing to him whatsoever. There's no connection made between him and the clubs and so there is a much much smaller chance he'll go out and support them at any stage. The only EL club with that sense of community that I can see is Pats.
Its the exact same in Dublin. How many Shels fans will be at Tolka tonight? 3000? How many neutrals along for the big occasion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Pointless debate but have to have Last Word ;)
I agree entirely. And I said the same thing on the "Phrase that Pays" thread. An advertising campaign should be put together to get the people of Dublin thinking about which club they support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Many EL fans also watch the English PL. Why not have it the other way around.
There are many people in Dublin who follow soccer across the water. But they have no association with a club in Dublin. If they had to sit down and think about and eventually decided on a club then they would be more likely to come. A clever advertising campaign asking the question "What's your team?" with a catchy tune could achieve this.
Europe is the exception. Last year Cork got a sell out crowd of 7,400 for a big league match v Bohs, I don't think Dublin teams get near the same floating support as the public don't see the same instant connection with the team as a Cork man would instantly with Cork City, someone from Sligo with Sligo Rovers etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
As if I'd let anyone get in the last word :p