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Very true ~ ~ Just think if you are using Declan Rice as an advertising Vehicle as an England International ( particularly if successful ) selling in to a Market of 58 million people (approx) the amount of revenues selling in to suck a market can generate. Ireland is in the half-penney place in comparison !Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-39978795.html
Anyone read this article? It's behind a paywall.
Is he referring to racism directed at him whilst in Ireland?
Odubeko missed the game against West Brom on Tuesday after a positive COVID test, but has since returned a negative test, so West Ham are waiting on advice before including him against Doncaster this weekend
Interesting article on mipo by Roshane Thomas of the Athletic:
In Dublin, a 12-year-old named Ademipo Odubeko was earning a reputation for being a prospect everyone had to see. Such was the level of excitement, Manchester City scout Michael Collins went to one of his games to find out why this kid was the talk of the town. Within 10 minutes, Collins had seen enough — he was informing City about a precocious talent.
Odubeko, now 18, who made his West Ham United first-team debut in their FA Cup third-round win over Stockport County this month, played for St Joseph’s Boys, one of the most famous clubs in the south of Dublin.
The highly-rated youngster, who was born in the Republic of Ireland but also qualifies for Nigeria, was one of the best players in his age group and when Collins turned up to see what the fuss was about, he was instantly impressed.
“He was playing in a game and I was on the sidelines with Mick,” Bernard Byrne, who was head coach for St Joseph’s then, tells The Athletic. “Mipo immediately caught Mick’s attention.
“Mick said, ‘Is he right- or left-footed?’ I said, ‘He’s predominantly right-footed’, and within five seconds Mipo hit a brilliant strike 25 yards with his left foot and it went in the top corner. Mick jokingly asks, ‘Are you sure he’s right-footed?’
“Within five minutes of that, Mipo did the same thing with his right foot. Mick was a bit speechless.”
Odubeko’s family, who had been planning to relocate to the north west, moved to England but because of FIFA’s ban on the international transfer of minors clubs could not sign him. There was an exemption for players from the European Economic Area, but only those between the age of 16 and 18, a rule that no longer applies for British clubs, of course. The only other exception to FIFA’s ban is if a player’s whole family relocates for non-football reasons — i.e. asylum or a parent’s job. This can, however, take time to establish.
“When Mipo and his family moved to Manchester they weren’t registered for the perceived amount of time they were supposed to be so no club could touch him,” says Byrne.
“If English clubs want to take a young Irish kid, they need to have all the permissions in place. They have to email or write to the club and the FAI (Ireland’s FA) and say, ‘Can we have permission to take this player on trial?’, and so on and so forth. So Mipo went unregistered for quite some time.”
As he and the family settled in England, he attracted the attention of Manchester United, and was free to sign for them in his early teens. He grew to become one of the standout players for their youth team. He scored 35 goals for United Under-18s and the club were determined to tie him down to a long-term contract. But those close to Odubeko felt he was not being pushed enough.
Odubeko was stalling over his future and was in and out of the youth team at United. He even played as a centre-back in two matches — but still ended up scoring. Meanwhile, West Ham were monitoring the situation, and the young striker rejected terms at Old Trafford and moved to the Londoners in October 2019 shortly after turning 17.
West Ham faced a lot of competition for Odubeko, with the likes of Juventus, Bayern Munich, Newcastle United and Feyenoord all monitoring his situation, but he signed a contract which expires in the summer of 2022.
Odubeko is well thought of at the club, not only for his ability but also his character and willingness to learn. He trained with the first team before the Stockport game, having also featured as a late second-half substitute in the pre-season friendly against Ipswich Town in August.
David Moyes and first-team coach Paul Nevin were then in attendance at the Roots Hall when he scored twice in the under-23s’ 3-1 win over Southend United in the EFL Trophy the following month. Moyes is believed to have considered giving Odubeko his first-team debut in the Carabao Cup second round tie against Charlton Athletic a week on from that Southend game, but a hamstring injury ruled him out.
With £45 million record signing Sebastien Haller leaving the club after just 18 months to join Ajax at the start of the current transfer window, Odubeko got the nod to be involved in the FA Cup too.
With Michail Antonio’s importance paramount amid his persistent injury problems, Odubeko could well feature in the FA Cup again this weekend in a fourth-round tie at home against League One promotion chasers Doncaster Rovers.
Odubeko, who led the line for Republic of Ireland Under-16s in their successful 2017 Victory Shield campaign, and has also represented them at under-17 level, is focused on trying to emulate the careers of Robbie Keane and Richard Dunne.
He is from Tallaght, an area in the south of Dublin where Keane and Dunne, who both enjoyed lengthy Premier League and international careers, grew up.
Odubeko was 11 when Byrne first spotted his potential. He has coached St Joseph’s Boys for more than 20 years and the West Ham starlet is the standout.
“Mipo played against us for a club called Crumlin United,” Byrne says. “In that age group, we were very strong but after the game, all the lads couldn’t stop talking about Mipo. Just straight away, his hunger to do well and score goals really impressed me, so that prompted us to sign him.
“He was in the same group as Troy Parrott (the Tottenham Hotspur striker currently out on loan at Millwall in the Championship) and they were both the standout players; Mipo was slightly the better player.”
While Odubeko was considered to be the best footballer amongst his peers, it was his attitude that left a lasting impression.
“In the under-12s national cup final, we won 2-0 and he scored both goals and was unbelievable,” says Byrne. “For the youth teams here, it’s basically like scoring two goals in an FA Cup final. It’s a big deal. Mipo was the difference. The funny thing is you tend to have a lot of pushy parents in the UK and that wasn’t the case with Mipo’s family. His mother is so humble and that has rubbed off on him, because he never got carried away with his achievements.
“He was so determined to take his chance. He was strong, aggressive, fast and absolutely hated losing. I always used to say to the kids, ‘You’re never going to do well if it doesn’t mean something to you’. It was obvious that football meant a lot to Mipo. He won player of the year a couple of times. He won the (league) footballer of the year award when he was 13. There were older players who were up for the award, so for Mipo to win it was a great achievement.”
Byrne still has that award, due to Odubeko’s family moving to Manchester shortly after. They planned on meeting up last year so Byrne could finally hand it over but were unable to do so because of the pandemic. There is one particular game he is keen to mention.
“We played a final against a team called Corinthians Boys, from Cork,” Byrne says. “It was very hostile and our players, especially Mipo, were taking a bit of stick from the spectators. Mipo scored both goals but for one of them, he ran the length of the pitch and put his finger on his lip, telling the fans of the other team to be quiet. It was brilliant.”
Moyes will be hoping to see that level of confidence if the teenager is given another first-team outing tomorrow against Doncaster. The Scot has a track record in placing faith in talented young players, with Jeremy Ngakia (who has since joined Watford), Emmanuel Longelo, Harrison Ashby and Aji Alese making their West Ham first-team debuts and Ben Johnson and Conor Coventry also blossoming since his second spell at the helm began just over a year ago.
Goalscoring is Odubeko’s main strength and it may not be long before he is given a bigger platform on which to prove it.
“I still keep in contact with Mipo,” says Byrne. “When his brother told me they were leaving Manchester United, I was surprised. But I knew Mipo was in good hands and not long after his brother sent me a picture of him posing with the West Ham shirt.
“Mipo’s going to be an exciting player to watch. He’s the reason why people will go to football games. He’s fast, dynamic, strong, he can score all sorts of goals and he’s good in the air. He’s a proper centre-forward.
“He’s a player that West Ham fans will be excited about.
“They have a special talent on their hands, so hopefully Moyes will give him a chance.”
It would give you some confidence that he wants to be like robbie and Dunne
'It’s only a matter of time' - The latest Irish teenager on the verge of a Premier League breakthrough https://the42.ie/5331631
Byrne was also interviewed by the 42. "If he feels the FAI want him, I'm sure he'd swim across the Irish sea to play for Ireland."
We really need to get this lad straight into the under 21 squad if at all possible. With Connolly and Idah with the seniors now there's plenty of room to fit him in alongside Parrott (and Obafemi once he's back fit).
On the bench tonight for West Ham. Could make Premier League debut.
didn't come off the bench, West Ham won 3-2
Playing Liverpool at home on Sunday, it's doubtful he'll appear in that either
Some positive news about his involvement in the Ireland setup: https://www.the42.ie/jim-crawford-on...38720-Jan2021/
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One player a bit further along in his development is West Ham starlet Mipo Odubeko, the 18-year-old Tallaght-born striker who recently made his Hammers first-team debut in the FA Cup.
“I had him on standby at one stage for the U21s but he got injured over in West Ham,” Crawford said.
“I know all about Mipo. I had the luxury of watching a lot of his games at St Joseph’s Boys in Sallynoggin.
“I know all about the pathway he took, going to Manchester and now he’s back in London. They think very highly of him at West Ham.
“He came on in the FA Cup and was on the bench in the last game. They’ve got high hopes for him.
“I link in with [another West Ham and Ireland youngster] Conor Coventry quite a bit and there’s no harm getting a player’s perspective on a player. Conor sees him as a quality player too. He’s an exciting prospect coming through.
“I remember when he played for Joeys, the two big strikers in the country at that time were Mipo and Troy Parrott. They’ve certainly gone their separate ways, but there’s potential there with Mipo.”
Some "positive" news? I'd say some "actual" news about his involvement. Before this, all we have had is idle speculation informing baseless conclusions.
He may not play for us but he deserves the benefit of the doubt- not the other way around.
yep that all sounds great. I wouldn't hesitate to bring him on for the Qatar or Luxemburg game
I wouldn't say that's positive news really but yeah I think there's no point discussing it at all before March. If he's not included in the 21s or even senior squad then forget about him.
The FAI are in contact with him, everything else is speculation until the squads are announced.
He's rattling in the goals tonight for West Ham Under 23s anyway.
Just further to the England/Ireland flag on Sky Sports..
https://www.whufc.com/teams/academy/...demipo-odubeko
West Ham website lists him as Irish. So..Sky Sports are clearly wrong.
FWIW the Flashscore app had an English flag next to him when he surfaced about a month ago, which has since become an Irish one.
two goals and an assist in the PL2 on Friday night for Odubeko, and surprisingly named on the bench against Liverpool today. Could make an appearance against Villa on Wednesday night.
Interviewed on West Ham's website, should play against Brighton's U23 side tonight: https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/...back-out-there
Scored again for the U23s tonight who are getting spanked 5-1 by Brighton U23s.
More importantly though, Evan Ferguson started and has scored for Brighton at 16!
On after 55 minutes against Man United in the cup. Great opportunity for him.
And subbed off with 8 mins to go in extra time. He barely touched the ball all the time he was on the pitch, and looked fairly lazy tbh. You'd expect him to be chasing everything down and busting a gut but he was just jogging round.
Subbed off again in the second half of extra time. He didn't play well. He didn't get involved and his runs were pedestrian. Hopefully doesn't impact too much and he gets another run before the end of the season. It was a thankless task and Lindelof and Maguire were quite comfortable dealing with West Ham.
Yeah, I know what you mean. He struck me as nervous as he was lazy. It looked as if he was chasing things down half-heartedly in the hope he wouldn't strip possession or make the pass. Similarly, his run were into United traffic and never at a place where his teammates were likely to put the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Which he did not take. You know it's bad when a substitute gets substituted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Probably just too much too soon for him. He'll head back to the under 23s and hopefully join up with our under 21s in March if they have a friendly game organised.
A player straight out of 23s football, not prepared whatsoever to play at that level. Hid throughout, kindest thing to say is that nerves got to him.
I didn't see the game, but am I right in saying this is a case that the lad just bottled it?
That would be extremely harsh. West Ham were poor overall, blaming the 18 year old making his second appearance in senior football away from home is not on.
I don't think he bottled it, the opportunity probably just came around far too early in his development and he wasn't up to it yet. Which, given his age, isn't a disaster. Will probably go back to the Under 23s to continue his development and who knows, he might get another opportunity with the first team before the end of the season.
I think it was nerves, there was moment shortly after he came on when Lindelof gave the ball away resulting in a 3 v 2 for west ham. Odubeko jogged alongside the guy with the ball without making a run of any sort, even though he was the extra player. A rabbit trapped in the headlights unfortunately and has been pushed too quickly. No one i can see blaming him for west hams defeat, but he has to do better than he did. the other 18/19 year old who came on, Johnson i think, made an impact and a contrast.
Watched the game from the second half onward, and he was fairly anonymous for his time on the field. Saw at least one incident of another player shouting at him. The incident mentioned in the post above was probably West Ham's best chance to score and was badly wasted. But West Ham generally weren't great, really struggled to break United down even when they had much more of the ball in the second half.
Good test of character for him now. Does he take the professional way and work harder now that hes got a taste of what it takes to play at the top?
So many of our players have come good later in their careers: Stevens, Walters, McGoldrick, inter alia. It seems strange, then, to write off a teenager on the basis of one appearance, yet that is what we're seeing. Similar with Parrott.
I'm seeing virtual hysteria on another rival site. Really odd.
I think the difference is that we thought we had a "Golden Generation" coming through because of their relative success at underage level so it is disappointing when they dont instantly do amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
You are 100% right though, at 18 or 19 there is very few players who are Premiership ready and there is a massive step up from underage football to Mens football. I still think Parrott will be excellent and will learn a lot from this season. If he gets 1 goal he could go on a run. Odubeko come on at Old Trafford at 18 is a fantastic achievement but as I said hopefully it will give him the drive to do better and he will work his ar$e off. I do think taking him back off is bad man management of a kid but as long as he is coached properly in the next few days it could turn into a positive thing of giving him a bit of a kick to push forward.
Just to add to that, Phil Foden is a good parallel to talk about for a hyped up 17/ 18 year old.
He was brilliant in underage football, so many calls to get him into Citys team when he was very young. He got a couple games here and here but was handled very well by Guardiola. Its only really now at the age of 20 that hes starting to establish himself and he looks a phenomenal player.
I was checking the other day how many goals Dominic Calvert-Lewin had this season compared to last season. And then I noted the season before and before. His form when he was 21 and 22 was not far removed from that of Aaron Connolly. I think Connolly has so much time. Adam Idah is in behind Teemu Pukki who had a mare at Celtic and bad stints at Sevilla and Schalke in his early twenties. Obafami is another.
Now Mipo is proving why teenage strikers are so rare. Plenty time there.
Hopefully we are not too long more waiting to have consistent, top level goalscorers in the squad again.
Couple of articles on this lad today but the Indo one is paywalled where I think its mentioned about playing for us but something went on underage.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-40078324.html
The42 - https://www.the42.ie/odubeko-reactio...51166-Feb2021/
" “It’s an honour to get minutes for this club but unfortunately the result didn’t go our way,” he wrote. “Yesterday’s game has taught me a lot about myself and the levels I need to produce to obtain my dreams and help the team in the future.
“A lesson learnt and experience gained that I can only thank the manager for. Thanks to all the fans for the supportive messages. Time to step it up!”
The key for any young player is not to be afraid to make a mistake, basically go for it. If you are going to have a bad game have a nightmare don't shy out of the occasionQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Can anyone share the relevant part of the Indo piece where he references what happened playing under age?
Being discussed on his thread on YBIG if you can hold your nose long enough to stay on there to read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
But they actually go to away games!Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke