Letter in today's Tribune

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

This kind of ****e saying that Irish teams arnt good enough for the Champions League is only going to get more common. Its Merchandise United and Royalty Madrid and the rest of that group of European super powers that are crippling the European game. Michel Platini whos going to be running for election for Fifa president in 2007 wants to make it into an actual CHAMPIONS League and not a super club league. But if Platini does give an automatic qualification to all the winners of European domestic leagues, the group of around 20 clubs including every major european club will break away and form there own competition. But Beckenbauer is now favourite for the presidency and he will keep the status quo and the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

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Sport copying politics.

I thought Platini wanted something like a 256 club straight knockout competition? As you said G14 simply wouldn't let it happen.

No surprise that G14 want Liverpool in CL next season as its in their own interests to set the precedent.

Seems to be more important to compete in the CL than actially win it these days. All about money!

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Originally Posted by Éanna

They shouldn't even have been there in the first place! When was the last time they won a league?

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May 2005!!!!! :D :D


"Brazil don't qualify automatically for the World Cup", blah, blah, blah, :rolleyes:

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When will people stop comparing Liverpool's Champions League success to Brazil winning the World Cup? That rule was created to free up a place so Australia could qualify for the World Cup direct from the Oceania qualifiers. The rule was later changed, so that the Aussies still have to play-off to reach the World Cup, and the WC winners will probably be automatically re-entered into the next tournament, and rightly so. In any case, comparing rules for winners of International Football Competitions is completely different to rules (or lack of them) for winners of Club Competitions. Any comparison of the rules between the two levels of football is pointless and irrelevant.

As a Liverpool fan, I personally don't give a damn how we get into next season's CL, as long as we get there. If that's at the expense of Shels, Torshavn, or Alania Vladikavkaz, I don't honestly care, as long as we're in. We won the competition last year, so we have as much right to compete as any of those, or anyone else who qualified through their domestic league.

UEFA should have considered the possibility that a team who qualified for the Champions League via the qualifying round could go on to win it that season, having failed to qualify for the following season's competition through their domestic league. The way the CL is structured, there was always a possibilty of it happening, and now it has. We are a member of G-14, and I'd hate to be the UEFA blazer who tells them, that Liverpool cannot participate in next season's CL, as reigning champion. There would be civil war among the clubs, and would lead to Europe's leading clubs breaking away from the association, and forming their own league. UEFA can't survive without their involvement financially.

Liverpool will be in next season's CL, barring a travesty, on moral, ethical, and sporting grounds. We are the reigning champions, so our non-participation would render next season's competition worthless. If you don't like it, blame UEFA, blame AC Milan, blame Everton for fluking their way to waste one of England's CL qualifying places next season, blame whoever you like, but common sense will prevail over flimsy regulations.

Going by rules of 2004-2005 Liverpool have no right to a place in next years competition. The rules would have to be changed to allow Liverpool entry at the expense of another team.

I don't think the rules should be changed just for Liverpool BUT from next season I think the rules should be changed. I have disagreed with this rule from the get go, frankly it basically punishes a nation for being good as it says that a nation can't have enough quality teams to fill their quota and also produce the competition winner.

Changing after the fact, just to accommodate Liverpool, is both foolish and neglects the greater wrong that this rule represents.

Personally I preferred it when there were just 24 teams in the group stages (which was the format up to and including the year Man U won it) as there was greater quality throughout the tournament.

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Originally Posted by mypost

1. As a Liverpool fan, I personally don't give a damn how we get into next season's CL, as long as we get there. If that's at the expense of Shels, Torshavn, or Alania Vladikavkaz, I don't honestly care, as long as we're in.

2. We won the competition last year, so we have as much right to compete as any of those, or anyone else who qualified through their domestic league.

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1. What are you doing on an eL forum? Isn't there a barstool somewhere with your name on it?

2. You HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER. Do you not understand the quite simple qualification rules?

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Originally Posted by mypost

Liverpool will be in next season's CL, barring a travesty, on moral, ethical, and sporting grounds. We are the reigning champions, so our non-participation would render next season's competition worthless. If you don't like it, blame UEFA, blame AC Milan, blame Everton for fluking their way to waste one of England's CL qualifying places next season, blame whoever you like, but common sense will prevail over flimsy regulations.

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Are you for real?
It's EVERYBODY else fault except the team that DID NOT QUAILFY?

We should chance your "philosophy" in this country, rules & regulations are flimsy, it's a biased, warped view of things that must prevail.
I'm sure there are plenty of criminals in the country who would love to share your ideas.....:rolleyes:

What can be done? UEFA can't take away a spot from another country. Clubs who believe that they have qualified have already taken this into account for their budgets I would imagine.

Also, the principle of allowing 5 clubs from one country in the European Cup is just wrong.

This exact situation happened a couple of years ago and the Spanish FA took the spot away from the 4th placed team to allow the scum of Spain entry into the CL. The FA have already assured Everton that they are in, so tough **** Liverpool.

And the World Cup comparison is valid. The point about forcing the winners to qualify is also valid. That gives a smaller nation a chance of qualifying, while not guaranteeing the CL champions a spot gives a smaller club the chance of qualifying.

Everyone is blaiming UEFA over all of this, but the real source of any perceived problem for Liverpool fans is the FA.

UEFA can't take qualifying places away from those who've been nominated by their national FA's - only the FA's themselves can. Hence - when Madrid finished 5th in La Liga but were stull put through to the following year's CL as reigning Champions it wasn't by UEFA, it was by the Spanish FA.

The English FA have made their decision - that the Top 4 in the Premiership will be their country's reps in the CL next year, but are happy for UEFA to take the sh!t instead in the hope that it bullies them into giving the FA another place.

See through the smokescreen Liverpool fans....

It's like this.Rules are rules and everyone was aware of them before the competition started.Liverpool were not good enough in their own league to qualify and that's the bottom line.Rules should not be changed to suit anyone.It's tough on Liverpool but that's life so they should get over it.

So Liverpool should have to defend there title becuase they are the reiging champions,is that what you Liverpool fans are saying.

Well why didn't they have to defend their title as reiging champions in the UEFA cup in the 2001/2 season.They got away with that one.Bottom line is the rules have to be obeyed,like them or not.

PS if there is 1 team i do want to do well in Premiersh*t,it's Everton,C'mon you blues

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Originally Posted by pete

No surprise that G14 want Liverpool in CL next season as its in their own interests to set the precedent.

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Ah, but the precedent has already been set Pete!

In 2001 (I think) Real madrid won the CL but finished 5th in La Liga and therefore didnt qualify for the next years CL as per normal. Instead, the Spanish FA awarded their 4th (and final) CL place to Real Madrid instead of Real Zaragosa who had finished above them in 4th.

So the real question is, should the English league be alowed have 5 teams enter the CL or not & why.

When the CL started, everyone new the rules. If you win it you get alot of money and NO automatic qualification from being the winners. But you can qaulifiy for next seasons CL through your domestic league. Liverpool won it and got the money but did not perform in the Preiersh!t, so they did not get into the CL next season. Whats the problem, and am i loving it seeing all you plastic Liverpool fans sh!tting yourselves.

Originally Posted by mypost

As a Liverpool fan, I personally don't give a damn how we get into next season's CL, as long as we get there. If that's at the expense of Shels, Torshavn, or Alania Vladikavkaz, I don't honestly care, as long as we're in.

You then go on to say

Liverpool will be in next season's CL, barring a travesty, on moral, ethical, and sporting grounds.

Is it not unethical that they maybe taking the place of a team who has rightly earned their place.

This my post fella is fool,He is just another of sheep that that support the Premiersh*t,The shepard being BSkyB.

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Originally Posted by patsh

1. What are you doing on an eL forum? Isn't there a barstool somewhere with your name on it? :confused:

It's EVERYBODY else fault except the team that DID NOT QUAILFY?

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I didn't start the thread, which questions Liverpool's involvement in next year's CL, did I???

It's UEFA's fault, that no rule exists for the winner of the CL, to automatically defend the title. Now they'll have to make one, and correct their oversight. If they don't allow us in, next year's CL will be a joke, a sham, and devalued before a ball is kicked.

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Originally Posted by mypost

I didn't start the thread, which questions Liverpool's involvement in next year's CL, did I???

It's UEFA's fault, that no rule exists for the winner of the CL, to automatically defend the title. Now they'll have to make one, and correct their oversight. If they don't allow us in, next year's CL will be a joke, a sham, and devalued before a ball is kicked.

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1. IT IS NOT UEFA's fault.
2. The CL became a joke, a sham and devalued when they let clubs WHO ARE NOT CHAMPIONS into the competition. It won't become that way because some deluded Liverpudlians like yourself think they know the difference between what is wrong and what is right...which they quite clearly do not.

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Originally Posted by patsh

1. IT IS NOT UEFA's fault.
2. The CL became a joke, a sham and devalued when they let clubs WHO ARE NOT CHAMPIONS into the competition. It won't become that way because some deluded Liverpudlians like yourself think they know the difference between what is wrong and what is right...which they quite clearly do not.

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I agree with everything you say there Patsch but you seem to assume My Post is a scouser through and through, correct me if im wrong My Post but you seem to be deluding yourself, along with 90% of the Irish football loving population. Why do you support a club that you dont belong too, i may be wrong and you could be a born and bred Liverpudlian or you could be just another one of those wannabe scousers whoes to much of a sh!t to support a crap team. If your going to support an English team why do you not support a Conference team or Championship team instead of Liverpool? Is it your afraid to be on the losing side or are you afraid of sacrifice in supporting a real team, either way those wannabe Brits are jokes but i can tell you that supporting your local team is an awfull lot sweeter than a Premiersh!t team cause after so many dissapointments and lows, when you get some success it tastes so much more sweeter than yee can ever imagine.

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

you could be just another one of those wannabe scousers who's to much of a sh!t to support a crap team.

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In fairness now, he does support a team thats trying to sign Peter Crouch and already has Jimmy Triori as a regular! ;)

firstly its complete BS to slag people off who support an english team. i was brought up as a liverpool fan and started supporting saint pats of my own accord. if my dad or mates had an interest in irish soccer maybe i would of had no interest at all in english football but I do and that doesnt make premiership haters bigger fans of irish soccer than me

secondly liverpool will be in the champions league from the start of the competition. someone will get a bye into the second round and everyone is happy. end of

actually, Liverpool were in the Champions league from the start of the competition- it started last August and they narrowly missed out on qualifying for the next round, beaten to it by neighbours Everton :D

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Originally Posted by jfogarty

secondly liverpool will be in the champions league from the start of the competition. someone will get a bye into the second round and everyone is happy. end of

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I don't see how this will work out. Surely UEFA are about to add an odd number of entrants so someone will have to lose out?

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I'm not exactly sure of the rules but it does state that at bthe Knock out stages you can have no more than 4 teams from 1 country,so if it happens that Liverpool,Man u,Arsenal,Chelsea and Everton go through to knock out stages there would be outrage amongst the rest of the Europe.

I don't think the other 4 english teams would be happy either as they will have to split the tv 5 instead of 4 ways.

Just boot Everton out of it FFS and get this sorted once and for all :rolleyes: Give them a pay off and a pat on the back. I dont see why England shoulld be treated differently than Spain.

The only way I could see Liverpool in the CL with no-one being pi$$ed on in some way would to have an extra qualifying round of the CL with the 2nd teams of other countries (like Ireland :)), and put Liverpool in here, so you would have a "round 0" so to speak. The teams who would play them in the next round should still beat them, except for the ones who play liverpool, but at least they would get a really good gate.

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Originally Posted by mypost

It's UEFA's fault, that no rule exists for the winner of the CL, to automatically defend the title. Now they'll have to make one, and correct their oversight. If they don't allow us in, next year's CL will be a joke, a sham, and devalued before a ball is kicked.

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J'know ... i'd say you are totally wrong there ..... if da'pool dont get to that CL as the rules dictate .... the whole thing will just carry on with out them as if it never was an issue !!

Liverpool are building up to a big 'throw the rattler from the pram' episode and it'll be a joy to behold !! :p

People are missing the point here. Liverpool have not won a title in years, what the **** did they do to deserve being in the "champions" league last season anyway?

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Originally Posted by Éanna

People are missing the point here. Liverpool have not won a title in years, what the **** did they do to deserve being in the "champions" league last season anyway?

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Shels deserve 2 B There more than 'Pool. Liverpool havent won the English League in years.

I think this guy has lost the plot by now!! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

I agree with everything you say there Patsch but you seem to assume My Post is a scouser through and through, correct me if im wrong My Post but you seem to be deluding yourself, along with 90% of the Irish football loving population. Why do you support a club that you dont belong too, i may be wrong and you could be a born and bred Liverpudlian or you could be just another one of those wannabe scousers whoes to much of a sh!t to support a crap team.

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You're taking the p' now... :rolleyes: I think it's quite clear by now, that I am not a Scouser. But what's that got to do with anything? Liverpool have 10 million fans around the world. It's 20 minutes away from Dublin, it has a large Irish community, it's the nearest Premiership team to Ireland, several Irish internationals play/have played for the team. The club has fans across the world from America to Australia, of which some come from Ireland.

Most fans don't choose to support a club, but they inherit it from their family's/relations favourite teams. That's how I came to support Rovers, and Liverpool. I don't see what the big issue is here, tbh. It appears pretty straight-forward to me. :confused:

It also has nothing to do with the thread as well. :mad:

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Originally Posted by mypost

Liverpool have 10 million fans around the world. :

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My apologies My Post, you are deluding yourself along with 10 million other people around the world, barring anyone who comes from Liverpool or lives in Liverpool. Do you also know that there are 6 clubs in Dublin, correct if im wrong cause my Geography could be a bit hazey but arnt they closer to you than Liverpool. So what if they had irish internationals playing for them, it doesnt mean Irish generations are going to grow up worshipping Levant just cause Ian Harte played for them.
You are just spewing out the standard cliches and excuses for supporting a foreign team, remember they are FOREIGN not irish, english, and yes a large irish community lives in Liverpool and supports them, but ive also heard there are a few Irish people supporting the teams in there domestic league.
And blame it all on the parents when you cant justify being another barstool supporter, i know alot of fans started supporting there local teams of there own accord, regardless of there parents.
Im just trying to find out why you delude yourself into believing you give a sh!t about a FOREIGN team.

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

My apologies My Post, you are deluding yourself along with 10 million other people around the world, barring anyone who comes from Liverpool or lives in Liverpool. Do you also know that there are 6 clubs in Dublin, correct if im wrong cause my Geography could be a bit hazey but arnt they closer to you than Liverpool. So what if they had irish internationals playing for them, it doesnt mean Irish generations are going to grow up worshipping Levant just cause Ian Harte played for them.
You are just spewing out the standard cliches and excuses for supporting a foreign team, remember they are FOREIGN not irish, english, and yes a large irish community lives in Liverpool and supports them, but ive also heard there are a few Irish people supporting the teams in there domestic league.
And blame it all on the parents when you cant justify being another barstool supporter, i know alot of fans started supporting there local teams of there own accord, regardless of there parents.
Im just trying to find out why you delude yourself into believing you give a sh!t about a FOREIGN team.

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Da Real Rover and my hero :)

Liverpool is 20 minutes away from Dublin :confused:

Wish I had a chopper to go to the games every Friday evening ;)

Have you special dispensation form the Anfield board to land on the centre circle before every game or what?

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Originally Posted by mypost

It's 20 minutes away from Dublin, it has a large Irish community, it's the nearest Premiership team to Ireland, several Irish internationals play/have played for the team.

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Eh, Dublin is zero minutes away from Dublin, it has a HUGE irish community, has several premier division teams and both Bohs and Shels have more Irish internationals in their team than Liverpool do! :ball:

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Originally Posted by Troy.McClure

Eh, Dublin is zero minutes away from Dublin, it has a HUGE irish community, has several premier division teams and both Bohs and Shels have more Irish internationals in their team than Liverpool do! :ball:

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Omygod, it's all true, so true. :D

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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

Do you also know that there are 6 clubs in Dublin, correct if im wrong cause my Geography could be a bit hazey but arnt they closer to you than Liverpool. ive also heard there are a few Irish people supporting the teams in there domestic league.

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Yes there are 6, of which I support one of them. When you've fully read, and clearly understood my previous posts on this thread and why I said them, it should be made quite clear where I stand on the issue. I'm not going to waste time repeating myself! :mad: