Heard lately that Paul O'Conor was kind of frozen out of the team by Neale Fenn because they didn't get along. Anyone have any info on this? I know that POC was injured for a time also.
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Heard lately that Paul O'Conor was kind of frozen out of the team by Neale Fenn because they didn't get along. Anyone have any info on this? I know that POC was injured for a time also.
O'Conor started the season poorly and was rightly dropped from a team doing well. Got back in when our results dipped but then got injured. Missed a couple of months. Not long after he got back fit, Fenn left so hard to blame Fenn on this one. O'Conor's penalty effort last night sums up his time with Longford
Cue Rovers bucking the trend in the cup final...
Hard to see us getting three points from that one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
The League is the benchmark, Dundalk are the best team in it and shams second best. End of.
Friday night Bohs beat Dundalk 2-1 - and that flattered Dundalk
Two weeks ago shams beat us 2-0 and that flattered Bohs.
That doesn’t mean shams are better than Dundalk (they aren’t) nor does it mean I am trolling in expressing my honest assessment of the two games (which most who saw the games would agree with)
If all that’s too difficult for some, let’s just stick with League positions. Pity, as it’s supposed to be a discussion forum but obviously that’s beyond some.
Only reason POC got back in team recently was that Anto Breslin got a three match suspension after stupidly getting sent off against Bray. Very disppointed in POC considering the amount of premier division experience he has!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
The league table really does tell the story as to who are the best teams but it's a long season and things can change so that the current league table doesn't represent the current best teams.
I'd say pats Waterford and Derry have all improved over the last couple of months.
It's hard to call how much of that will carry into next season.
Like every season for most clubs the players signed in the close season will be the difference.
Gary Rodgers was shocking for Bohs first goal on Friday,terrible decision to rush of his line.....
Hopefully he has filled his quota for brainfart decisions this season. To be fair he has been in outstanding form this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Pass from Grant split the defence and Ward Slater placed it first time ,for once, Rogers caught in no man's land.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Also late down for second goal.Presumably Dundalk will be looking to strengthen in that area for next season.
If Dundalk's defence play like that against Rovers in the final, they'll be destroyed.
Thought at the time Rogers was poor for the first, although Dundalk experimental three centre half's defence (WTF ?) left a lot of space for LWS to run in to, and it was a peach of a pass from Grant.Overall Rogers has had a good season for Dundalk but with his age etc I imagine its one area they may look at in the off season. Heard rumours of Dundalk interest in a certain UCD keeper but don't know if there is much in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Dundalk defence was unusually poor Friday night, caught out a couple of times but I expect with a return to a more usual set up (and return of first choice players) they will be a lot less generous in the cup final.
Its a rare occurrence for him,maybe the new defensive system played a part in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Was one of the worst performers in a very inexperienced Bray side in the 2018 season. Don't think there was a single person who was sad to see him leave at the end of last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
think the last time he had a decent season was with Drogs in 13 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulsey
I cant really agree with that! Teams' form will improve or disimprove over a season but generally, unless a side is gutted in a transfer window like UCD, the best side in the league will win over a season and therfore are the best side. Cork falling over the line in 2017 didnt stop them from ultimately finding form in the cup final, they were the best side in 2017. In one off cup games any side can defy league form but would it change their general standing? If a manager is worth their salt, singings in or out aside, there should be improvements in general over a season. If Dundalk dont sign anybody, for example, the improved fitness or having less players injured early season could be considered strenthening or an improvement going in to a new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Wow, we have some Hoops (and a closet Hoop) getting excitable because Ezek as doing a narrow comparison (games V Dundalk) and now one arguing the table isn't 'current' enough :confused: The fairest judgement in my opinion is over a season and the Table is near that now (most positions settled). yes, teams will have good runs and bad runs, injuries etc but over a season its difficult to argue the table reflects each team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I was'nt talking about Dundalk here , best team no argument there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I more so meant scenerios like Waterford for instance who are finishing a better team then they were earlier in the league when Power started to slash and burn...
Cork last year finished second but i thought they would struggle this year (not to the extent they have).
UCD are bottom but are flattered by that position :) considering what has happened since the summer.
There can be some interesting pointers for next season looking at the form of all teams on the run in.
In general though the league table stands up for most teams.
We really haven't. We're pretty much as poor now as we have been all season. Yet another awful season from us. Maybe next year..........Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Bit like Fenn at Cork there isnt much current indication that things will improve but I do think in both cases there will be improvement next season. Fenn (for as much as I'd smirk at him faltering) he has more to him tactically than there has been at Cork recently, he will be better with younger players too. O'Donnell's work ethic likewise will improve St Pats as he will expect the level of effort to improve. Pats are well ahead with the quality in the squad but O'Donnell as a technical former player will get more from the players with quality. He can temper his passion and motivational methods to individual players as the more modern generally coaches do so Forrester will be a lot better next season also. An opinion of course but overall I think there will be a number of clubs that were well off the boil this and previous seasons that will be more ompetative in 2020. Top 2 will be hard to crack but the race for 3/4th next season will be entertaining for sure!
Jeez George Hamilton would bore the pants off you watching a game. Pats have had a few shots whistle past the post in the last 10 mins and George calls them like the droning PA announcer at the carnival in Father Ted.
"A child has been lost... could the owner of a 03 D Opel Corsa come and move their car... and Forrester has another shot... pass me my revolver".
A good commentator (like Dave McIntyre at Newstalk) would have a raised voice in those situations and give a feeling of excitement with a few oohs and aahs thrown in. Good commentators can make a fluffed attacking move sound exciting. "What an intervention by the defender... ooh that was inches away from the forwards head... etc". George just sounds depressed.
We talk about fixing the league with restructuring the league etc but it's having people with no passion for it, like GH, involved is not helping. Big it up. Get excited ffs. Ugghh.
Rant over.
good god I hate him he nearly ****s himself every time someone takes a shot.Quote:
A good commentator (like Dave McIntyre at Newstalk)
At least I'll always have cherished memories of us actually being able to score goals. I've truly hated this season, unbelievable that we've been in the hunt for Europe for so long.
Unreal save from Talbot tonight though. I had the perfect view in the Camac right in line with Forrester's shot and I honestly can't believe he managed to get a hand onto that.
Well he'd be better than GH putting you to sleep. Nathan Murphy and Dave McIntyre doing the EPL games on a sunday are entertaining. As good as eir's coverage is, even their commentators wouldn't be a patch on the Newstalk lads.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
13 home goals this year tells the whole story of how bad we have been. Our position in the league is down to nothing other than those below us being even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
After the Waterford game I wouldn't have been so sure, but tonight was much more encouraging, even if we still couldn't get a goal. Unreal save from Talbot to get to Forrestors shot. Forrestor more like his old self tonight as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
UCD relegated unfortunately ..took ex boss four seasons to get them up....and just 20 games to take them down...poor really
Doesnt sound at all like personal agenda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Onapointoforder
Very poor second half from Bohs, lucky Pats weren't capable of scoring. Job done foe Bohs - maybe staggered over the line but got there.
Credit to Long/Crolly on squeezing every last drop from the resources available.
For Pats it's end of a dreadful season, they will improve under O'Donnell if for no other reason than they so underschidved this season.
We werecrap.Pats were marginally better..
The Rovers player who scored their third when the keeper was on the ground injured should be ashamed of himself.
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Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Why? Kearns had the chance to put the ball out of play him self as did the defender he passed it to.
We played decent enough tonight but still couldn’t score, it’s nearly the end of a painful season. I was disappointed in Bohs they played poor enough tonight apart from that the job Long has done had to be praised. I was totally oblivious to the Bohs euro hoopla tonight until FT I can be understood but was amusing all the same. Normally I’d say roll on 2020 but not this time who knows what next year will bring.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Come on , it was a bad piece of sportmansship .Watchrd the clip in a pub in Inchicore, boos all round..Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
Very much enjoyed that win tonight. Made us forget that horrible season we've had this year. Great to see us keep it on the ground, a much more enjoyable watch and a sign of things to come under Fenn. Will be a very interesting off-season with many moving on and coming in.
Nice to win tonight and we were very solid but a pretty bad game,dead rubber feel all round,Waterford seemed a bit annoyed just being there and wanted to kick us quite a lot but could have equalised but for the keeper and stout defending. Terrible crowd and its no exaggeration that we need a bumper bumper gate for the play offs....
I presume that Dundalk fans will call their team out on the particular brand of hoofball that they played tonight!? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by patrickccfc
On a more serious note, we have some serious youngsters and it would be great if we could hang onto them. Alec Byrne in the middle is too good for us to keep him for any period of time on that form tonight. If we got the full season out of him next season it would be fantastic.
You'd have to hope for Drogheda going through to get the away support! Which leg is first??Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
We've been doing a good bit of eperimenting since seruring the league. I expected this result shomehow. I'd reather be sweeping teams aside heading in to the cup final tbh although there is the angle of getting the fringe players games and even lulling opposition in to a sense of real confidence for the 3rd of November. Looked to be a decent crowd in Turners Cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
Drogheda will bring more than Cabo anyway!! The first leg is away for us and back to Finn Park on the 1st,first time we've been the Premier division team in this situation so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Great to see the Cork fans back and in such ebullient form as well:rolleyes::D
Why are you surprised?? This is the same club who refused to acknowledge a bohs under age team beating them in tallaght to win a trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
They can spend all the money the want, but they can't buy class or integrity.