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I hate the idea of an 8 team league. Repetitive and boring. We should be increasing the number of teams and games in the prem, not reducing it.
Teams should be looking at extra games as more revenue rather than more cost.
If they are stuck for teams for the 1st division then they should be looking at ways to make it more enticing to join. That has been the biggest failure of the FAI in running this league.
Cut affiliation costs in the 1st division, regionalise it, allow B teams or u23 teams to enter it, the underage sides that don't have senior LOI sides should be given incentives to join. Kerry, kildare, carlow/kilkenny, mayo etc.
Apart from all the good points about how bad it is do the FAI not realise that this puts teams under more pressure financially. Clubs will push the boat out and increase the budget so they are not part of the additional teams that drop the first year it happens. Plus if a team gets promoted will find it harder to consolidate their position in the premier and probably try to increase their budget to be competitive.
Must be Dundalk and Shamrock fans voting its a good idea. A lot of cosying up at the AIL talks between the two clubs apparently. Probably think they can monopolise their position, who knows. One thing for sure the clubs are divided and the PLA was a great idea but the mé feiners attitude coupled with the FAI not giving a fiddlers will always hold this league back. Change for change sake.
At the time of the Genesis report there were 22 teams in the LOI between the two divisions. The report indicated it would be optimal to expand the league in to new regions. Regions big enough to maintain a team and small enough to have a sense of belonging. It didn't specify "at county level" but I'm gathering that's what it means. Kerry and Mayo were specifically mentioned as two possible teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
We actually have 2 teams less now, I don't think any of the report was implemented and we've probably gone backwards or stood still in many areas. Stadiums, prize money, tv money, attendance levels etc
You do realise that currently it's 52 v 3 Bad idea : Good idea ?Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Too many mé feiners!
This looks like a way of making sure Rovers never win the league agin, if we'd have to play Bohemians more than we already do :)
I guess this seems to assume no progress is made towards the Lucid AI League idea.
had actually forgotten the loi has reduced in size altogether. wot yr was genesis?Quote:
Originally Posted by David BOHie
It always strikes me as weird that in discussions about the state of the LOI that the reduction is virtually never mentioned. We have lost 9% of our clubs. At one stage we were at 13.6% and had Rovers B padding it out. The central, crucial question for the LOI is how the league can stop the bleed by making existence in senior football more sustainable. This is more urgent than ever since clubs are now spending serious money on mandatory underage teams. It's now public that Harps are in difficulty, Limerick are clearly in major, possibly terminal bother and who knows what else lurks beneath the surface around the league. Playing with formats is important- but ultimately we need to have a league that isn't so hard to survive in economically.
Unless this was to take down the number of Premier clubs with an eye on the top division merger required in an AI league. Planning & foresight, honing to an elite few capable of nurturing our future internationals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
(No, me neither)
Most Irish League fans will tell you that when the Irish League experimented with an 8 team league, it became so repetitive, that fans started voting with their feet as the so-called big games became less and less atracitive. Playing the same teams every few weeks was unattractive to the fans and media interest lessened too.
What is rare is wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Mods -Make the vote public so we can id the 3 that think this idea would be ok. :D
How in the name of ...... was this proposal even floated from the FAI in the 1st place??
The idea seems to be that due to limited resources, the focus would be put on 8 clubs initially to raise standards.
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Originally Posted by Mr A
If thats the thinking then i think we should just have a two team league with Rovers and Harps and focus all the resources there.
spreading the pennies around 8 teams is mad , focus on two and do it right.
Two 12000 seater stadiums with full scale academies and when we have that in place we expand to 3 teams and so on...whats not to like?
Crazy idea.
What the fai needs to do is to connect the loi with the regional leagues and make one system of football in the country any work in any other direction is just a waste of time
It’s the FAI 😁 no idea is too mad or stupid not to be given oxygen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Maybe revert to 4 points for away win, 3 points home win, 2 points away draw 1 point home draw farce of yesteryear.
No gimmick too silly not to be tried in the FAI ever increasingly pathetic attempts to be seen to “do something “ about LOI.
“Would there be anything to be said for another mass” 😁
Cabinteely are making noises about reviewing their participation in senior LOI. Very disappointed with their support from the local community apparently.
Didn't hear that. They're doing everything right on the pitch but they're going to struggle to grow in the First Division playing in a Rugby ground in Blackrock. Then if they make it to the Premier Division then they will struggle to grow playing out of somewhere like the Carlisle Grounds or Belfield. Stuck between a rock and hard place without their own home in the locality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I can see another Dublin City, Monaghan or Wexford meltdown if they go up unless somebody is happy to properly bankroll them for at least 5 years and get a stadium developed by then.
It's in The Irish Times or the Indo today I forget which.
Rearranging the fixture format is just deck chairs, that's self evident. But why all the opposition to a split? A lot of European countries have splits, if we had a 12 team league with a 6 team split towards the end, the top 6 teams would all be full time (more than likely). It seems to me the best way to maximise our tiny pool of support/talent.
Yeah heard about Cabinteely possibly pulling out a few weeks back. It reminds me so much of the Mervue Utd story in 2013 when they also were considering pulling out due to lack of support from the local public and the fallout from Galway Utd pulling out of loi two years earlier. And the following season they pulled out.
I am assuming that Cabinteely are pulling out next season Longfordian?
No idea Marty just saw they're doing a review. Article is here:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...medium=twitter
I wonder how much support Cabo would get from Dun Laoighre or Shankhill etc. Would people from outside the town feeling an association to the town of Cabinteely?
It's a huge untapped catchment area though. It would be great if they got a stadium built and were able to grow properly. Fair enough there's a lot of teams in Dublin, but to lose Cabo and possibly Limerick would be dreadful for the game. We need more teams not less
Wasn't there some sort of plans to build a multi purpose community ground in the park at Cabo a few years ago?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-38519140.html
"Representatives of underage teams in Kerry, Cavan/Monaghan, Kildare, Carlow/Kilkenny and Mayo will be invited as there are hopes these areas might be interested in fielding senior teams in the future."
Be fantastic additions to the league. Still think we could sustain 2 divisions of 12 teams.
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Originally Posted by David BOHie
As positive this is, how long will these teams last in the league? 5 years?
A lot more needs to be done to support the teams in the First, not on the field, but off it. So for me anyways, unless more is done in that sense, new teams coming into the league is not a long term solution.
Yeah I don't disagree with a word of that. Romantically, it's great. A great geographical spread of the league, brings LOI in to new places and returns to others, keeps senior football growing in that area and hopefully can produce good players for the league/senior teams in years to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
In reality, can they do that with the current funding? Not a chance. They'd need prize money to triple and a small government grant to build a stand, changing rooms and other spectator facilities.
I think it's positive that Noel Mooney views them as having a future in the league though. I think he's optimistic and inviting them to the next meeting is a positive step.
Spreading the league out could be a major plus. If you look at Lidl supporting women's GAA, they know they are reaching every corner of the country in doing so. Increasing the league's reach could help get aboard that sort of partnership to help drive the league forward.
The thing is, it could be a major plus alright, but not while the fundamental issues of the First Division are unattended. It's unfortunately more likely to be a case that the clubs will withdraw in a few years, as pretty much every single club has done since the First Division's foundation, barring the initial intake.
That there is a very basic change in attitude is a positive for me. If these clubs, especially ones like Kildare who were in the league and dropped out, are being engaged with then the obvious flaws will be outlined in a far more vocal and together manner. Yes it all boils down to simple finances as prizemoney wont suddenly increase as needed but punitive participation fees can be dropped as a start. At least people in the FAI are talking about this stuff with clubs regardless if it goes nowhere. Maybe its a deflection away from other issues but also maybe there is less obstruction now that former personalities have stepped aside and the financial basketcase that was eeking money from anywhere (to cover credit cards et al) is out in the open!?
I was chatting to one of the underage coaches earlier in the season at CCS and I was asking him the question will Monaghan -Cavan work out if they join the league?I got the strong impression from him it wouldnt work as he was from Cavan and Monaghan would go on their own. Whether this will happen is another matter altogether.
From what I understand, the surronding areas around Dundalk are going to be the focus for Dundalk FC to build its attendences, sort of becoming a regional club in the representing the North East from Drogheda northwards. That would include Monaghan, east side of Cavan, South Armagh and South Down.
Limerick and Cabinteely come from highly populated areas, and I would say they had a much better chance of becoming an established LOI team than Kerry and Mayo. Im sure if Limerick drop out, they will be back eventually. I hope Cabinteely also stick it out, but maybe its a saturated market with Bray and Rovers close (and ahem UCD)