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I guess Japan!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Even. More. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/i...role-rngt8w57h
Anyone with full access?
I've been involved in moderating one forum, and paying the costs of the upkeep of another (hence my reticence to criticise the moderating on this site) where the Irish sport NGB were justifiably criticised. However both sites received letters from solicitors asking for posts making claims without evidence to be removed or further action would be taken. Like Tets has done here, he's asked for evidence, and it's not been provided, for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I can't stand what the FAI have done, I abhor what Delaney's done, but I understand what Tets is doing, and in my very limited experience, he's right.
24 hours to provide evidence that LOI clubs haven't been paid their winnings from the 2018 season, otherwise I'm deleting the posts.
I guess you're going to get your answer Tets.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
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Originally Posted by UEFA
Some of the fine should be sent to Ciaran Kennedy c/o The Irish Times
I went looking for previous charges of a similar nature to see the outcomes, last year Liverpool were charged €6K for "throwing of objects" and the setting off of fireworks in the CPL quarter final against Man City, while Barcelona got just a warning for the same offence around the same time after a tie with Roma. Suffice to say it's likely to be figurative slap on the wrist.
Provide some evidence or gtfo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Kennedy was the one who wrote the article mentioning the protest, that was unplanned until that point: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...aney-rpghbwxg9Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
There was no mention of it on social media, or posts about it on any forum, before that articleQuote:
In protest, some fans are planning to throw tennis balls on to the Aviva Stadium pitch to disrupt the game against Georgia, with others taking to social media to call for a boycott of the fixture.
Seems YBIG are starting to realise that if you publically post this stuff, you'll come undone.
For what it's worth, I know when I was doing the books at a LoI club a couple of years back (not UCD), prize money was just offset against league entry, fines, and referees' fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
So the FAI didn't pay prize money, UEFA solidarity, etc, and the club didn't pay league entry, referees, etc.
The two roughly balanced out, and every now and again a balancing payment was made.
So I could believe prize money hasn't been paid - but it doesn't necessarily mean what it sounds like
its like end of year accounts you do them towards the end of the 2nd year :)
How do you know it wasn't pre planned?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
With apps such as whats app you can spread information all around the country in a short timeframe without posting it all over the internet/social media
Have you looked?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
search term - Brian Kerr Delaney
Virgin media sport video feed
https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status...382977/video/1
Off the Ball
https://www.facebook.com/offtheball/...1825732473008/
repeated on
https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-...delaney-407845
https://www.the42.ie/brian-kerr-john...57959-Mar2019/
Its hard to credit that you think that discussion of the affairs of the FAI is out of the question on a football discussion board.
A total absence of rationality.
Be fair to Tets. Dahamsta reported a few years ago how he was being sued by someone on here. For a small business owner this must be a nightmare, so I get why Tets has asked for sources and is reluctant to let this debate take place. A case of 'Don't shoot the messenger,' and with JD's history of legal intervention, not without precedence.
And let's not forget that discussion was banned on two different clubs on this forum due to legal communications over topics being discussed, one of whom is still banned.
Maybe I should have been clearer, I haven't seen Kerr's statement about LOI clubs not receiving their prize money repeated anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The only one of those links that mentions it is on the Virgin Media Sports twitter account.
It's interesting that none of the other sites have embedded the tweet, or discussed that part of Kerr's discussion.
I'm not saying we can't discuss the FAI's finances, I'm saying I'm not entertaining anything that can't be backed up with evidence.
Whether you personally entertain it is another matter. I don't know whether it is true or not, but it remains unanswered.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I'm saying this question of FAI governance is already out there in media outlets, sitting on the websites. of Virgin Media and Newstalk. This is the FAI, not an individual and and as a publicly accountable sporting association there will be questions asked about their governance. Are they holding on to the Uefa money longer than they should? are they delaying with forwarding funds to the clubs?
The FAI can chose to deny the allegation or they can continue to ignore it. Delaying paying out the funds to LOI clubs is not a crime, the FAI as a board have a right to take those decisions according to rules by which they govern the LOI.
Just because you had not seen any mention of it on social media or any forum before Kennedy published his article, you cannot be sure that it had not been mentioned in some place you don't frequent.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I searched several forums (fora?), Twitter, Facebook, and there's no mention of it before the article
There's two posts that mention tennis balls on YBIG from last November, but that was for the Denmark game and the discussion went no further than those two posts.
Alan hunters forum.
Well thats that then.. If you didn't know about it and it wasn't put out on the for internet for everyone to see (including the FAI) it must have been unplanned
Well it seems Brian Kerr was right when he said teams are still waiting on Uefa prize money considering what has come out in recent days and today.
The whole board should be removed, not just Delaney and a forensic audit carried out over the last 6 years. (Anything earlier is more than likely deleted or shredded as the FAI dont need to keep documents any longer)
If the current board are still in place for the home game in June I'd expect major protests
Today, Senator Ó Ríordáin said the purpose of today's meeting was to look at the future of the sport, investment in the game and analyse why it gets little investment in comparison with other sports.
He said: "John Delaney and the current board represent the past, we need now to talk about the future."
Speaking on the way into today's meeting, Tony Considine from the football fan group YBIG said there's a "further lack of clarity" following last night's FAI statement.
He asked: "Is he still being paid while he steps aside, what does step aside mean?"
He said that YBIG has ideas as to how the game in Ireland can progress, and that there's a "lot of common sense stuff" that can be done.
Funnily enough I dont see any foot.ie expertise there or invited. :D
Can't you be the go-between? The middle of the Venn diagram as it were.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
To be fair one of the moderators here refused to believe the tennis ball protest was pre-planned and thought it only happened because of a story in the paper so its pretty clear whoever is in charge is well out of the loop to whatever is going on behind the scenes
Tony posts here too. Drumcondra69er - posts the blogs after each game. Or God's work, as i call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I didn't refuse to believe it, I said there was no evidence it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
i still dont think it was any fans radar until it was mentioned in the mediaQuote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
Very true. The proper fans are all over in YBIG we discovered that years ago. That and people like me who actually go to games and know the "guys on the ground". The grassroots of Irish fans so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
That's why I never go over there and generally avoid them on away trips :D
Not having a go at you Tets here but when we had the Jack grealish discussion it was tin hat mentality around that too, for me and a couple of others it was pretty clear he was gone, but opinion was limited cos no one had proof and the general acceptance was he would stick with us because of no proof. I think theres nothing worse than being ignorant to things going on around you, citing lack of hard evidence. The mafia flourished because of this kind of mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
There are many things like abuse stories for example where the rumours and others are quashed. And the consequences are dire. I know this is only a football forum but the concept is the same. Rumours usually point to some truth.
I agree Paul, the presence of reasonable evidence is enough to support an opinion and have a discussion about most any topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
There are some people here, a clique who dogmatically refuse to do research, who claimed that it was not a requirement to make note of a director's loan in a company's annual report and viciously mocked those (much smarter people) who thought different.
At the risk of this getting back on topic...
Does anyone have any thoughts on the structure the new board should take? Or names of people they think should be considered?
Niall Quinn is obviously on most lists. I read an interview with Gareth Farrelly on 42.ie earlier who seems to be making his expertise known. Other Irish working at board level in football are Pádraig Smith at Colorado Rapids and Susan Whelan at Leicester.
Kevin Moran is a name I'd like to see discussed
There should be a player liason from the international sides on the board who travels with the players when possible. I think it was Stephen Kelly who I heard saying Delaney made sure the international team had whatever they needed. There must be no return to the pre-Saipan situation in his absence. Jon Walters' previous experience with the PFA and very recent retirement would seem to recommend him but it could easily be one of the women who so successfully organised the protest last year.
It would also seem to be best practice to have a representative from Sport Ireland and an independent director from the business world on the new board to keep an eye on them.
The PFAI, League of Ireland, grass roots football and supporters should also be represented.
It has 4 vowels and 6 consonants. It also has 4 syllables. Irish people pronounce it normally but English pronounce it Mor-ANN. I like it. Solid name.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I believe he has an Accountancy degree and he has experience in business. Definitely worth looking at. He might bring the brains and Quinner could bring the public relation skills.
I have my doubts about Niall Quinn, when he played for Ireland he always came across as a moaner, he spent more time giving out for not getting frees than just actually getting up and on with the play. He is given the chance to co-commentate on matches and he is painful to listen to, like an Irish Terminator. I think he is not as capable as many think. A chancer in my opinion who sits on the fence but only pops up when prompted to do so.
His current high profile comes across as politics and I believe I know which political party is driving that narrative. Never a good idea to let someone in who is manipulated by politics. He is about 10 years older than Delaney who is regarded as the 'old brigade.' No, I want the new board to start with a younger profile. All who have played the game to be under 40 when coming in. Otherwise you are inviting in Brady, Giles, Dunphy types.
I would want all the League of Ireland clubs have a voice each at board level but once again only after a root and branch review of each club is carried out. Who around here trusts Bray's or Athlone's boards? The junior clubs and senior non LoI clubs should have less sway.
Board members in total only be allowed two 4 year term stints each max. That is more than enough. There are other aspects of the game they could help in after that.
There should be a arcitect and a builder on the board and someone who has served in a bank or finance position who knows the market.
There is a need for a good middleman or middlewoman on the board that can persuade councils and town planners that new stadia are not just for the locals but will cater for sports tourism and bring in conferences and small business operating within their confines.
I am not much good at naming names but hell you could throw in Conor McGregor as a wildcard on the board - anyone who can do the deals he has needs to be respected.