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While you could be right about them being better players, it's hard to argue they're more important. There's an absolute dearth of top quality strikers in the league at the moment, snagging one who can score 20+ goals is nearly the equivalent of 2 of your other players in terms of impact.
The whole 'over an entire season' thing is just silly, and solely designed to exclude Maguire, and thereby go on about how he has done what 'no other striker in the modern game' has done.
Over the course of the season is simply the primary way most statisticians, supporters and commentators tend to view goal scoring records. It is also a simple statement of facts that he has matched Brendan Bradley's goal scoring record of 1975-76 season and one more next week will surpass it.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Saluting Hoban's phenomenal goal scoring feats this season excludes no one
Hoban looks a better footballer in 2018 (average goal per start 0.85) versus 2014 (average goal per start 0.69) but 2018 Dundalk team were a better team (average points per game 2.45 so far) versus 2014 Dundalk team (average 2.24 points per game) so bit easier to score more goals as a Dundalk striker in 2018 than 2014
I do think the league has declined in standard over that 4 year period but I don't think there is that must of a divergence in Hoban's stats and the respective Dundalk teams in 2014 & 2018 to suggest anything but that he is a top LOI striker and a 'MVP' difference maker to win this league. His disappointing time in England should not overshadow his exceptional performance this season. Ireland call-up talk is another story
No one is denying he’s an excellent League of Ireland striker but from watching the game back (I’m a sadist) RTE made it sound like he had scored the most goals ever in a league season and just dismissed what Turnball et al did. It’s like you’re watching a game in England and all they talk about is Premier League records as if there was no top flight football in England before the Premier League started.
Dundalk were absolutely brilliant on a Friday night. Be glad to see the back of this season (again).
Why choose Bradley's tally as a record?
A - it's nothing more than a Finn Harps club record, at the end of the day.
B - it wasn't even achieved in the era of our own Premier Division.
The equivalent would be Cork City claiming a third successive FAI Cup (should it happen) would be a record.
Of course, it would beat the club's own record of two but would ignore the superior achievements of Shamrock Rovers just because that was a long time ago.
thats exactly what glitw podcast said as well. turnbull is the record holder end of story!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Oh tongue was firmly placed in cheek!! On the Hoban goal scoring record thing, Turnbull's record is obviously being airbrushed out of the history books by RTE cause he played in Cork obviously, ye know with that anti Cork conspiracy and all:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Congratz Harps - I’ll be cheering you on vs Limerick 👍🍺
Mad for a trip to Jackman next year. Don't blame you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanDrog
I have it on good authority that Turnbull committed a foul in the lead-up to ones of those goals and, as per Cork football policy, he has been completely expunged from all records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
RTE arbitrarily picked a goalscoring record that Hoban can break in order to create some drama and discussion during televised games.
The season ended very early this year so all real drama was sucked out of it.
The real significance of Hoban's goalscoring exploits is not what players did 50 or 80 years ago, it is that no other striker managed to score this quantity of goals in a season in recent memory. It is a fantastic achievement and one that should be lauded.
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Originally Posted by White Horse
Naturally, it should be - and is - seen as a very fine achievement.
That's not the problem people have with it at all. The problem is that it's not and isn't even close to the existing record.
Whether that nonsense came from RTE or wherever is actually not the point.
Brendan Bradley's record is apparently the record goals in a season in the 2 division era, as opposed to Jimmy Gauld & Jimmy Turnbull who played in a single division league of Ireland. Now how that has any effect on the number of goals you score in a season is beyond me, it's a bit like the UK football media using "In the premier league era" as the benchmark for records broken as if there was no football before it.
Anyway, I think we can all agree Hoban is class.
I suppose the logic is that it the standard of opposition should be higher in a two division structure. However, that is a tenuous argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
It is probably better to concentrate on Hoban's achievement being unmatched in the modern era.
Bradley's club record was set in the single-division era.
But keep deluding yourself.
And spare a thought for Hoban who, if he scores next week, will probably believe he holds a new LOI record only to told, "Sorry, you're actually six short".
Surprised particularly at this whole "record" stuff from Dundalk, a club which probably has the best team of LOI statties in the country.
Fair enough, I did say apparently because that was the reason I had heard for using Bradley as the modern benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Donie Forde
Absolute ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
What does modern era mean? Is there a cut off point? Is it a rolling era? It seems very arbitrary. In England they have specific cuts offs that records apply to. Premier League and Post War era being the two most common ones that spring to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Hoban is class, and deserves all the credit hes getting. We were linked with him last summer and the talk was that he was asking for too much money and that ourselves Rovers and Dundalk all balked at his request. He has shown he was worth every penny and in hindsight I'd wished we'd backed a truck load of cash up to his house.
This record stuff is showing how little our national broadcaster knows about the League of Ireland and cares about accuracy. This would have been a great opportunity to say "Hoban has scored the most goals in a League of Ireland season since..." and show how long our league has been around and shed some light on a forgotten corner of the leagues history.
just imagine him playing up front with Rovers 10 goal a season hat stand ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
Presumably the dividing line here in Ireland would be pre and post 1985Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
40 goals between them and the hat stand would only need a new coat of varnish once a year in lieu of wages.....BARGAINQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Almost inevitably, we can't keep a clean sheet and concede two from set pieces.
Bray have won a third of their points against us.
If Sligo win on Friday, we'll finish eighth.
The league is finishing very poorly this season,dead rubbers galore,lots of average/poor sides caring very little about their performance,if the 10 team league is meant to improve things its hard to see it.....
Exactly the argument people have against a 16 team Premier Division too.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Exactly.......can you imagine how many dead rubbers there would be in s 16 team league
Even the top european leagues have plenty of dead rubbers for the last few weeks. Having a smaller league actually mitigates this because it leaves less clubs idling along in mid-table.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
I think having 2 10-team divisions has been an improvement. Better players playing against better players more often and the 1st division has certainly been a lot more interesting than it's been for a long time.