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Well, you're free, like anyone else, to edit it if you want. What should the correct title of that match be? 'Promotion/relegation play-off' does give the wrong impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Is this stated somewhere or part of the rulebook? I was skimming through it but there was no sign of any mention of European qualification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Erm, was the old Premier League system not brought to a close with the introduction of the new FAI National League system (including Premiership and First Division) within the last two weeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
I don't know but it always has been the case since the Cup Winners' Cup was discontinued and it's the case everywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Probably! But the premiership was a working title gleefully pounced on by the media. FYI the new league is not called and was never going to be called the premiership. For further info see www.fai.ieQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
KOH
From a recent article on FAI.ieQuote:
eircom National League Premier Division
Excellent work. It was not a promotion/relegation playoff though.
Oh yes it was!Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Oh no it wasn't!
(it's panto season.... and I'm bored.)
I've amended the title of the Premier Division's page to its full title, "FAI eircom National League Premier Division". Is that OK?
I've also edited the the paragraph regarding the play-off game. Is the following OK?:
Quote:
The final selection sparked controversy in Dundalk. Despite the fact that Dundalk FC had won what they perceived to be the annual promotion/relegation play-off, and what would have been in any other normal season, in November 2006, they were one of the teams omitted from the 2007 FAI Premiership and were, instead, chosen to play in the FAI First Division.
I suppose that's OK, although with the rider that the play-off was clearly tagged as deciding which team would finish (I think) 12th and 14th on-field this year. There's a thread back in May started by Bald Student asking if it was going to be the most pointless game ever.
So yes, they perceived it as such, but were clearly wrong.
Cup runners-up if the winners do the double get the UEFA spot. Don't know if that's in the rule book anywhere, but it's straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. the FAI told me).
Not really because it was NEVER officially dubbed theQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Officially it always appeared as "Play-Off". Which to me doesn't promise and therefore no one could perceive that promotion/relegation was at stake.Quote:
annual promotion/relegation play-off
The Dundalk official's quote would suggest otherwise as to how his club perceived the game. He said, "What was the point of the league taking our players and fans all the way down to Waterford if it counted for nothing?" He obviously believed that there was (or should have been) some point to it. I can only assume that he believed the purpose was to decide who ought to play in the 2007 Premier Division as his quote was in protest of the fact that the 2006 play-off had no such effect. He was clearly misguided as he doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that there was an actual point to the play-off in that the game still influenced the IAG points tally of Dundalk.
In response to this, I've added:
Should I add something about Dundalk finishing in 12th and Waterford in 14th as well then? Was that definitely the effect of the result?Quote:
Technically, he was incorrect as the win did contribute points to Dundalk's final assessment tally. However, that was little consolation.
The Dundalk official was simply wrong.
The thread here explains it all, and was posted at the time the proposal was detailed. The facts there would be better than my memory, I think. 12th and 14th was only for the purposes of league points in this year's on-field criteria too.
Shouldn't it actually be 11th and 13th following Dublin City's resignation?
DC's resignation hadn't happened at the time. They quite possibly didn't bother updating things afterwards.
Have you a link to that thread? I can't seem to uncover it in my search. Is it here?
Jesus why are you complicating things so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
- It the eircom League Play-Off (simple as)
- They finished SECOND in the FIRST division
- Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
So there was no purpose to the game and they played it for the sake of playing it? :rolleyes:
I don't see what should be so complicated about what I'm asking. I'm trying to simplify matters and just get the thing right.
I found the thread and you were incorrect, as I suspected.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
This is from the original plan so refers to standings as if 22 clubs would be involved:
Thus, for the sake of dispensing points based on 2006 performances, Shamrock Rovers were placed in 11th, Dundalk were placed 12th and Waterford were placed 13th with Galway presumably shifting into the blank 14th spot left by Dublin City, and so forth down through to the 21st club.Quote:
At the end of 2006 playing season, clubs will be allocated ‘competition points’ on the basis of their League standings and performances in FAI & League Cups and Europe. When the total ‘competition points’ accrued by each club is tallied, they will be ranked accordingly – the club with the highest number of competition points is ranked 1, with the club with the lowest number of competition points ranked 22 for the purposes of the IAG process.
League:
• Premier Division League winners receive 22 points, runners-up 21 points reducing on a point per position down to 1 point for bottom place in the 1st Division.
• Last place finisher in Premiership in regular season will be ‘relegated’ => ranked #14 in league standings and allocated 9pts.
• 1st Division winner will be ‘promoted’ => ranked #11 in league standings and allocated 12pts.
• Club finishing 11th in Premier will play off against 1st Division runners up. Winners of the play off will be finish #12 in League standings and gain 11pts. Losers of the play off will be ranked 13th and allocated 10pts.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
What exactly am I wrong about?
Again why are you over confusing the issue!?:rolleyes:
You are wrong about the following:
It wasn't simply a play-off for the sake of having a play-off. The game decided what teams would finish in certain positions - namely 12th and 13th.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
Dundalk finished 12th in the overall standings of the 21 clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
Waterford finished 13th in the overall standings of the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
I still don't see what it so complicated about all of this. I was simply trying to find out the relevant guidelines in the FAI's document and apply them in order to find out the actual purpose and effect of the Play-Off.
Danny all of the above quotes from me are FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I'll repeat myself shall I?
It was official the eircom League Play-Off (simple as), it NEVER said on any official fixture list:
"eircom League Play-Off, The game decided what teams would finish in certain positions - namely 12th and 13th."
Dundalk vs. Waterford United
See how ridiculous that looks? That's why your wrong.
You said I am wrong with the following:
eh.....http://www.soccerbot.com/fai/tables/irprem2006.htmQuote:
Dundalk finished SECOND in the FIRST division
Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
and http://www.soccerbot.com/fai/tables/ir1div2006.htm
:rolleyes:
Get your facts straight b4 you go calling me wrong again eh?:rolleyes:
In terms of the IAG process and their allocating of assessment points (what we have been talking about for the last page or so), the Play-Off decided who would be placed in those positions.
Once again, the following is from the FAI's document on the matter. Maybe you missed it hiding near the bottom of the last page.
Quote:
At the end of 2006 playing season, clubs will be allocated ‘competition points’ on the basis of their League standings and performances in FAI & League Cups and Europe. When the total ‘competition points’ accrued by each club is tallied, they will be ranked accordingly – the club with the highest number of competition points is ranked 1, with the club with the lowest number of competition points ranked 22 for the purposes of the IAG process.
League:
• Premier Division League winners receive 22 points, runners-up 21 points reducing on a point per position down to 1 point for bottom place in the 1st Division.
• Last place finisher in Premiership in regular season will be ‘relegated’ => ranked #14 in league standings and allocated 9pts.
• 1st Division winner will be ‘promoted’ => ranked #11 in league standings and allocated 12pts.
• Club finishing 11th in Premier will play off against 1st Division runners up. Winners of the play off will be finish #12 in League standings and gain 11pts. Losers of the play off will be ranked 13th and allocated 10pts.
In case you've forgotten, I was responding to this post, where you titled the play-offQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Quote:
annual promotion/relegation play-off
Well, I'm not sure why you're still concerned with that seeing as:
i) I know and have recognised that this isn't the official name of the match.
ii) I've also recognised that dubbing it as such gives the wrong impression as it had no direct bearing on promotion or relegation in the 2006 season.
iii) I've amended the Wikipedia page to explain the situation and how Dundalk perceived it as such (or believed it should have been such).
The fact is that the play-off did decide the position of the two contesting clubs for the purpose of the IAG allocating 2006 season points. The final league positions of the two clubs before the play-off took place were not taken into account so they're irrelevant to this discussion.
That's better, however I'd like to see a source for this:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Dundalk, however, argued that they had a right to compete in the Premiership following their Play-Off defeat of Waterford United. "What was the point of the league taking our players and fans all the way down to Waterford if it counted for nothing?".
A user named 'Candlewicke' actually included that quote. I assumed he didn't make it up. I will try and leave a message asking for a source on his talk-page.
I've googled this and found no mention of it apart from wikipedia of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
Here is the Wikipedia page for the current season.
Some club details need filling in.
Are the crests and colours correct in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Clubcrests1.PNG?
i've made colin healy's a bit better. it'd be good if every first team player in the league had at least a fact sheet.
Quite a few of the Derry City team have info-boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
As do Pats players. Light on stats though
Is anything weird coming up on the UCD infobox on the right for anybody?
"FC Madhatters 06" WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Seems to be alright now after I made an edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Can you change the away jersey?
Yeah. I'm going out now so I'll do it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Already done.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Excellent.
Can you change the crest as well now that dmenetc won't be around for a few hours? :)
Here is the Wiki Page a few of us are maintaining as best as possible!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wexford_Youths_F.C.
I didn't think encyclopedia entries were supposed to have exclamation points:eek: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
I'm not sure about this bit. Con Houlihan has been identified with Pats for years, much more than any other club.Quote:
Notable supporters
Dave Fanning- radio DJ
Dermot Morgan- comedian and actor
Jimmy Magee- sports broadcaster
Con Houlihan-legendary sports journalist
Gerry Thornley- sports journalist
Barry Andrews- politician
Is Gerry Thornley right as well? I know he is a fan of the league but I've heard differing reports on what club he supports.