Bohs have the fourth highest appeal of all, if you go on attendances.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
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Bohs have the fourth highest appeal of all, if you go on attendances.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
We have the only appeal that matters. Sex Appeal baby!
I don’t see why people have the issue of Bohs on tv in four games. After all they’re playing in the biggest derby in the country twice and against the champions twice. Is that not normal no?Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
The "biggest derby in the country" has increasingly less bearing on the title race these days. And doesn't draw anywhere near the biggest crowd of any LOI fixture, so is more forth than substance. And there's every chance that Cork's derbies against both Waterford and Limerick will draw bigger crowds this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
Your point about Bohs playing the champions twice would make sense - if no-one else was playing Cork. But every team gets to play them, so the fact Bohs have their first 2 games against them aired just looks a little weird.
For a mid-table team to feature in two-thirds of the televised games is more than a bit strange. It's also in my opinion daft to televise only one home Cork game in that series - given that they're the champions, draw the biggest crowds and their ground looks and sounds good on telly. But Cork is a pain in the arse to get back to Dublin from with an outside broadcast crew late on a Friday night, so it suits Eir and RTE to toddle along to Dalyer or Tallaght instead.
[QUOTE=EatYerGreens;1951932]The "biggest derby in the country" has increasingly less bearing on the title race these days.
To be fair , we live in hope of a title race and there is always the Bohs relegation battle this year to keep it interesting :)
Dalymount will sell out (is already sold out) and the fact that the crowd is only 3400 is down to that.
There were 5200 in Tallaght for the first Bohs match last season so that is pretty decent.
Also the atmosphere at these matches tend to be hostile which makes for good TV with fans celebrating wildly and multiple flares etc...all good TV
Saying all that it is a bit bizarre , put the Dublin Derby on but Cork at home to someone else would make sense.
Still its not the biggest problem we all have
[QUOTE=sbgawa;1951941]I'd say it's symptomatic of one of the biggest problems Ireland has - which is that the powers that be are all based in Dublin and can't think or see beyond The Pale.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
That's no way to develop a country - and helps explain why house prices are bonkers in the capital, yet only 90mins away you can pick up a mansion for less than the cost of a 2-bed flat in Dublin. Which is hardly New York City in scale to justify the disparity. And then the fcukers wonder why they need to consider closing rail lines around the island.
Broadcasters are just reflecting the same ignorant attitude that the rest of the powers that be show towards anywhere outside Dublin. An inconvenient wilderness to be avoided if at all possible :D
Teensy bit of a leap there from RTÉ showing Bohs a few times to the Wexford to Waterford line being closed in fairness!
I actually have sympathy for Eir and RTE.
The viewing figures are poor for the matches, unlikely to generat any add revenue beyond a rerun of an old movie and the costs of set up and paying the staff of going outside Dublin would be considerable
You'll probably find that when the rest of us are making our way back from Cork the RTE staff are bedding down in a hotel in Cork or racking up the O.T on the way back.
If the viewership figures were better they might stomach the costs more regularly
Outside Bohs and Shams fans the match doesn't have that much appeal. If anything it has become a bit of a laughing stock in LOI circles with the schoolagism side to it.
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Originally Posted by sbgawa
RTE have studios in Athlone, Belfast, Cork, Galway, Limerick and Sligo. Plenty or RTE staff around the country.
The Outside Broadcast is also contracted out to external companies. I know TVM do the broadcasts at the Cross.
http://tvm.ie/
Based out of Bartlemy in Co. Cork.
[QUOTE=EatYerGreens;1951943]Fu**in culchies. Always giving out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Not content to have tied up most of the cushy jobs in Dublin through their " who you know, not what you know " family connections, and paying over the odds for crap houses in Dublin, thus driving up the prices and forcing Dublin people to have to buy houses in backwaters like portarlington, they give out about the disparity in league coverage..
Dundalk is like fallujah, cork is a town mascerading as a city, and galway comprises mainly of English people with dogs on ropes!
I feel better already.
[QUOTE=placid casual;1951958]People with dogs and ropes with giant paper mache heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The stations wouldn't show the matches if they didn't see the demandQuote:
Originally Posted by redobit
That is fair enough. Possibly viewing figures are high for Bohs. I've met many people down through the years from non-LoI areas throughout the country who have a soft spot for Bohs. Not many of them have seen them live however!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Eir seem to want more games if they can get them. Not entirely sure the viewing figures are as low as some might suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
[QUOTE=placid casual;1951958]Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
I know this is a discussion for a non sport thread but; Following on from Brexit Dublin has lost out on jobs to other European cities. There needs to be more strategic investment in Galway, Limerick, Cork and Waterford.
Isn't RTE forced to show matches as part of the international match rights ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
As for Eir - is their reach big enough to register on the TV ratings panel ? If not - unless they've got some sophisticated technology I'm not aware of, they'd have no real way of knowing which specific shows attract what specific audience. They seem to reply largely on the occasional survey of their members, and asking people what they want to access when they join up, to get a feel for the broad categories of demand. Plus they just need content, & the lack of any rights payments makes the LOI a cheap source of that
Honestly games should only be on television in the better looking stadia. Tallaght, Turners Cross, Dalymount, Showgrounds, maybe the RSC and Brandywell. We should be doing everything we can to give outsiders a good impression of our league. Dundalk play good football but their stadium isn't fit for television, Sean Maguires hattrick up there last season was tainted for the tv viewer. Same for Bray. I'm not sure about Limericks stadium.
In an ideal world we would broadcast a game a week, and get paid for it, maybe from some international television companies and split the money evenly between all 20 clubs with a small bonus to the teams on tv. That money should be only allowed to be spent on infrastructure, academies and community programmes.
I'd say Eir will have pretty accurate figures from their broadband customers. It's not that hard to count to how many users a stream is served.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The draw to the center is a common problem across multiple countries and has been since the dawn of civilization, roman empire perhaps being the most obvious one. Anyway from a dubs point of view living in the country i often get the feeling we are often always looked down as being less than Irish because we were born in Dublin.
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Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Looked good last year when we beat ye 2 1 :rolleyes: (just leave it go, we didn't have many highlights...)
That'll happen if you spit on the 1916 rebels and greet the British monarch with Union flags a few years before you're clamouring for independence :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
I know it's an aside, but this isn't actually true. Most countries at least try to secure regional balance, not just lump everything in one place (with notable exceptions like France and, to a lesser extent, the UK).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
Take the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Brazil, India, Russia, Vietnam, South Africa etc (I could go on). All have different cities fulfilling one of more of the roles of Political, Economic and Cultural capitals (the 3 main roles cities can hold in any nation). In Ireland we've just put everything into Dublin. And then we wonder why the place is over-heated and the rest of the country is struggling. D'uh.
The Dublin derby has the biggest attraction in the league without a doubt, games been sold out for a couple weeks now. That’s the game people want to watch. Besides Waterford games, that’s the only other game I want to see on TV - I sure I’m not the only one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Believe it or not there is counties north of the line between Dublin and Galway.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Even the Irish government is starting to accept the argument that they need to view Derry city/north-east Donegal/north-west Tyrone as a coherent economic unit/city, and treat it as such in the Republic's Spatial Development Plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Someone else can make the argument for Sligo.
What do those who were making the case on here that Bohs-Rovers is a mouth watering tussle that the media just couldn't ignore think of the fare they served up for the cameras this evening ?
It was really bad football, of the kind that would probably have seen a huge drop in viewing figures after about 30mins in. And I don't think a ground that's only half-used looks good on TV either.
Pats v Cork was always likely to be a better fixture, so should've been the first choice IMO. Also - hasn't there been an unwritten tradition of airing the champions in the first game of the season?
Obviously they should never show it again but let's not let 1 brutal match between bohs and rovers (with a full house , flares , flags and 4 goals) interfere with a good hissy fit :)
Season opener,two bitter rivals, a full house, red hot atmosphere under lights and 4 goals. Sounds terrible!Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Don't start sounding like a reasonable person ....I'm supposed to hate you :) didn't you hear that the football was terrible...the first time it's ever happened on Rte.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
LOI fans might get that but non-LOI football fans that were tunning in to see a decent match or what the quality of the LOI is like ... well you'd turn off pretty quickly. Unfortunately it really was a poor game of hoofball. Not what was needed for a season opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
This 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Yet if you question the wisdom of showing 'Ireland's biggest derby' (c) over other games, you get told you're having a hissy fit :D
The best bit of commentary was when Brian Kerr said at half time that he thought the ambulance was going to have to come onto the pitch and take the ball away, due to the brutal treatment it was receiving :p
The hissy fit was for asking what people who thought they should show the match thought of the quality of the match as if they were connected.
We get it u didn't want rovers bohs on. Bad matches happen sometimes whether the match is shown or not.
and I thought Shamrock Rovers never wanted to have their games televised or is that only home games!!? Bohs and Shams fans are being pretty precious about the observations of the televised game and at suggestion that another fixture might have been a better choice. It was a brutal game to watch of that there is no argument. Was it interesting to watch? The last 10 minutes were. Was it the 'good advertisment for the league'? Nope!! Should Bohs fans care, not in the slightest considering how it panned out. Shams fans should be wishing everything about the game disappear, not be on open record. Eat Your Greens sideswipes at the Dublin jackeen historical stereotype and attempts to formally draw Londonderry and Tyrone in to the Irish governments spatial strategy is far more interesting than the televised game.
The game was brutal no argument. Prefer home games not on tv as I do believe it costs us money but ho hum really. Would I have every game televised if it meant we won the league .........absolutely :)
genuine early contender for FOOT.IE most ridiculous post 2018 (and it's still only February 😀).Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
if you are that concerned about seeing a team/game then climb off the barstool and go along. It really is that easy.
most fans care about the result more than performance. And Bohs/Rovers game not really a place for neutrals anyway. Saw Mick Wallace at Dalymount, seemed to be cheering on Bohs ��Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
if Pats V Cork was "always likely to be a better fixture" how come Bohs V Rovers sold out two weeks ago ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Last nights attendances DALYMOUNT - 3,500 RICHMOND 2,771.
guess you just know better than those that attend games ��
* Because there are more Bohs fans than Pat's fansQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
* Because its easier for Rovers fans to go to Bohs that Cork City fans to go to Richmond.
What a ridiculous argument. Since when does the crowd indicate the quality of the game? By that logic they should just have us on tele every week were at home cos apparently the biggest crowd equals the best quality game.
Ireland get huge crowds; think how good they must be.
Now don't start saying the bohs rovers match was worse then the average Ireland game. Now that would be a complete insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu