McNamee signs for Cork.
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McNamee signs for Cork.
I am absolutely shocked that the club made a balls of that.
We are a week on from a deadline given to our own players to sign without a single one of em signed never mind making a top signing like that would have been.
Some weeks ago McNamee was mentioned as a potential signing for the Markets Field side, but unfortunately, it seems that Limerick cannot compete in the transfer market once Cork City are shopping ....
We can't do nothing right .. It's the perennial Limerick problem .. But, what are we sending out to bat for us.
Another imminent announcement that turned out to be a puff of smoke.
I'd love for us just once to show a bit of ambition and go out and make something happen the only time we have ever done that is while in the first division on two occasions.
McNamee was a terrible miss so he`s going to stay in Limerick but he will travel rather than play for Limerick.
Penalty Kick not converted. If that one can`t be tied up what can????
Lots of players offered quite a bit less than they were on last year by all accounts.
Tosi & Hery leaving would be the nail in the coffin.
Can`t see Dozie staying either.
Also Chris Coleman isn`t a player for next year. maybe 1-2 years time
(will prob make a good 1st division player the year after next)
At least Henry Cameron will remain :D onwards and upwards
I don't think McNamee signing for the league champions an hour down the road constitutes a failure to be honest.
Nah me either it was a fantastic success for Cork City that is.
he`d rather travel 3 hours minimum a day 5 days a week from UL to Curraheen.
why bother trying to sign any top quality players when the league champions are so close.
In the meantime lose half of your current players also.
Fantastic Masterplan
Players were offered same as last year. None of them were offered any less. Considering they just managed to keep us up I don't see why they should be paid more.
No one we want to keep, and have offered deals to have been announced by another club as signed as yet, they haven't signed up for us either I accept but lets see a fuller picture of the squad we start next season with before declaring failure and sky fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmas3Formation
Or me, would have been nice if it happened but if I was McNamee I wouldn't sign for us either, the double champions wanted him & we took a shot but he chose Cork. It happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
He isn't going to UL either as far as I know. Its not the missing out on McNamee that bothers me its the fact they had all their excuses made before they ever did speak to him.
As for the players didn't do well so didn't deserve more money talk,nonsense. Does Dean Clarke deserve more money no does Dave O'Connor deserve more money no but do Rodrigo Tosi who took a cheap "prove yourself" deal deserve more? Does Bastien who proved he could become one of the league's best midfielder deserve a bit more? Does Lee J Lynch who has performed since he came here but now earns less a week than Henry Cameron deserve more? Nobody deserves mental money extra but lets not fall for the nonsense put out every year that anyone that wants a bit more is just being greedy.
They killed any argument they had for not giving some people more money by making Henry Cameron one of the highest paid at the club I've heard all the he is the highest paid and amounts going around that are nonsense but he is one of the highest and club haven't a leg to stand on with someone like Lee J over that. It's far from time to really start panicking for next season but to not have a single one of those players named above plus Shane Duggan not re-signed and having 2 of 3 of them actively looking for ways out of the club sure isn't a good start to the off season and benefit of the doubt is not something the lads running the club have earned. I'll believe things are good when I can see they are not the other way around based on our recent history.
Players were offered the same or similar deals as last year. Considering we were spending a lot of money then surely the vast majority are on good wages. Players are keeping their options open and looking elsewhere to get a better deal here or move on. There is nothing wrong with it and nearly every player in the league is doing it. Bar the top few clubs no one is signing up lots of players. The top teams are offering players extremely good wages and two year deals and it’s a simple choice for them. We are a less attractive club so players will keep their options open.
At the end of the day there are plenty of players out there. Proof of this was Hery and Tosi. Nobody would have had a clue who they were but they ended up being great signings. I’d rather pick up another Hery on decent wages than an average LOI player on high wages.
Give the club time. If players aren’t signing the deals I’d rather it be known now so the club can look elsewhere rather than waiting weeks/months to find out if players are signing back. It’s a balancing act.
Yes we did have a very good budget last year but instead of looking at it the way of well that means the players were on decent money so lets not give em any more why not say we had a very good budget with players on good money we have now lost Robbie Williams, Ian Turner, Paul O'Conor, Stephen Kenny, John O'Flynn, Shaun Kelly and I might even be forgetting someone who were all on decent money so surely we have enough there to give one or two players small increases to ensure we have our best players from last season going forward. For example why in the name of god would Lee J Lynch accept a cent less than Henry Cameron? There is a hell of a difference between players keeping their options open and openly telling people they would rather be anywhere but here we will of course still keep one or two of the lads that feel like that but its not exactly a great way to lead to success is it having people that stay because they have no choice rather than actually being happy here. An example of how that can affect someone is Shane Duggan last year. As your rightly say its a balancing act but surely the balance would be to give one or two slight increases to keep them and not give others more, not exactly a balance to not offer anyone any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
There are plenty of players out there and there have been plenty of players out there for years and years and all the while our greatest achievements have been 2 promotions. We gonna hang our hopes on Joe Gamble having another pal willing to come over and getting very lucky with a desperation signing that was signed without anyone at the club ever seeing him play having not played a single game with Accrington? The plenty of players out there also brought us Peter Berki, Joe Crowe and a Henry Cameron on bigger wages than a lot of LOI players.
Give the club time... Why? What have they ever done to earn the benefit of the doubt I'd love an answer to that. Lets have a look at the last two times the club was given time while in the premier division.
1. We put together one of the worst squads in recent premier division history I dunno if you were one but we had loads on here giving it the wait and see don't be negative everything is fine talk we went 21 games without a win and got relegated.
2. We waited and waited and waited to see and ended up with the board having to come in and throw the squad together right before the start of the season and found ourselves by seasons end back in a relegation battle that we should never have been anywhere near with the budget we started the season with.
All the evidence over the years points to the fact that no we shouldn't be burying our heads in the sand and just giving the club time and just praying things will finally be different. We should be putting pressure on them from the start to make sure things are different this time and not just accepting the same old nonsense. If we had the exact same type of season next season as we had last season we would still have people on here next off season saying give em time it will be fine. They need to know for once that people won't be happy to just plod along anymore. I'll head praise on em like there is no tomorrow if they get it right but given all I know of recent history and of how things are being handled at present I'll give them time when they earn it.
Here we go with the Lee J love hour. Cameron has an international cap or two, maybe that's why his mate, the gaffer, gave him more money. I haven't seen Cameron kick a ball so I can't judge how good or bad he is. I don't know why he's on more money but Lynch is not as good as even he thinks he is, not to mind how good you think he is. Goals and assists from attacking midfielders tell the story and what are his? He's the best we can realistically get to play for us, that's about it.
I know for a fact a few players at least we're offered less money. I also have it from a player that Hery and tosi are on the way out. Lots of players trying their best to find an alternative. Also people are convinced limerick can just find another few quality unknown players lol let's see how that pans out. Keeping the quality unknown players lims found last season would have been a much easier and cheaper excersise I can assure you.
I’d give the club time because we are only a few weeks after the season has ended. If this was a few weeks into December then I’d be asking serious questions. The negotiations have only just begun, give it time.
Usually when rumours start the truth is somewhere in the middle. The club will say we offered great wages, a player will say he is offered crap wages. All that talk is fluff really. If a deal can’t be made with a player, that’s life, you move on and try sign someone else. I’d rather the club know where they stand in the next week or so we last years players and start making progress elsewhere. From what we have been hearing that’s what the club are trying to do. Find out where they stand with current players. None of us know the exact ins and outs. Some players might be getting more wages, some might be getting offered less, some might be getting more but not enough more.
Cameron should just be released because he has failed to make the starting team in 4 months of being at the club and it’s as simple as that
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Who have we signed so far:
Chiedozie Ogbene
Brendan Clarke
Freddy Hall
Killian Brouder
Henry Cameron
Barry Cotter
Cian Coleman
We are probably have more signed on than normal at this stage. The club are still talking to players and talking to potential signings so we need to relax for a few weeks yet. If no progress is made in the next two weeks then questions will have to be asked.
Lee J > 11 henry Camerons btw :D
Squad has been decimated in last 6 months with no sign of quality coming in only more going out. Mcdonalds wage must be paid somehow I spose. All he must do now is justify it.
As good as I think he is? I think he is the best player we have at the club at the minute ya which is why I use him as an example, who is better than him here right now that we have? Can throw Hery in there too why would he take a cent less than Henry Cameron? And how good does Lee J himself think he is? Have you spoken to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
Does the fact he hasn't gotten anywhere near the team for anyone to see him kick a ball much not prove the point exactly that fellas who have done well should feel within their rights to ask for more money than him? The best we can get to play for us and thats it, am is the best we can get to play for us not enough no? In your rush to just disagree with me for the sake of it you have ended up just backing up what I am saying really thanks for that.
Except that I do know that all of those not re-signed yet have been offered the same as last year no less no more. I agree if a deal can't be made with a player we move on and thats fine but if a deal is there to be made and we just won't budge that is different. How many of the list of re-signed players are actually good enough for a team in the premier division trying to progress above where we were last season, I make it 3 including 2 goalkeepers and one maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
As weird as it will sound from what I am saying I'm not even panicking yet for next season I just think the club need to know they better get it right this time. My big concern is some of the stories coming out of negotiations are just plain embarrassing for the club.
Open your eyes. Even the manager thinks Lee J isn't worth keeping.
You literally just said he is the best we can get to sign for us, as in you yourself said that. So are you now disagreeing with yourself? The fact you even tried to use him being the best we can get to sign for us to try and insult him is brilliant tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
Still waiting for you to name someone we have right now better than him.
In terms of negotiations with players, if Cameron is contracted for next year, I'd be negotiating a settlement of 2/3 months and good luck to him as he is dire. The real worry is the lack of confirmed signings when in discussion with targets .. Hardly inspiring stuff from the most lacklustre inefficient board in the country.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
He's the best we can get right now doesn't make him Maradona. He's not going to win you any games, doesn't score enough, doesn't assist enough. He's the definition of a flattering to deceive midfielder that runs around a lot. And he's the best we can get, it doesn't make him anywhere near the top table of midfielders.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
What was this deadline? 'You have to sign with us by Wednesday or else'?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Literally nobody said he was I have said he is our best which he is so you agree with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
You'd rather have an average midfielder who moans about other players' wages and doesn't win us enough games? I prefer not to, thanks.
So what's not being done, out of interest, in your opinion, that should be being done ? The players we want to keep are under offer within a week of the season ending, unwanted players cleared out, a decent signing has been announced and other signings being worked on according to the statement announcing that signing. Is that not, at this stage, improvement on this time last year and significant improvement on the relegation year at this stage ? From memory, I think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
What also improved was our league position, we have just finished 7th, a position clubs like St Pats & Sligo would readily swap with us, clubs who have been champions of Ireland as recently as we were homeless. St Pats toyed with us a year ago in the final remember, and we just collected more league points than they did a season later. That's improvement.
So your entire base for this ranting about how anything and everything is wrong, is based upon four players, two of whom are mercenary journeymen taking their time over their offer, hardly a big surprise now is it, and two other lads. I would like to see all sign on too but you seem to be taking something outside of the clubs control, exaggerating the negative within it to a ridiculous extent and banging on about only that. One of those mercenary journeymen only started to show any form come contract time too remember.
As I have previously said, the jury comes in, in a big way, on NMcD and indeed how the club is run after this window, but not until then and because things were poorly done before is not reason to confirm things are being badly done again, after all didn't the manager get the door who didn't secure the signings last year, so there is demonstrable proof of awareness this needs fixing and I assume NMcD is picking up good money in order to do just that, which he needs to. Agreed.
But you on here bawling your hole off cos it's not all done inside ten days is ridiculous in my opinion.
As opposed to a **** poor left sided gutless One cap wonder midfielder, who won't run around all day and can't get a sniff of the first team .. YEP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
You said he was the best we can sign back now you don't wanna sign him the lengths you are going to just to disagree with me are getting sad now. Like literally about a comment or two ago you said he was the best we could sign hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
I've a few questions
Rather have him than what you didn't make that clear? I'd rather have him than not have him? I'd say 99% would rather have him than not same with Hery same with Duggy.
When and where did he complain about other peoples wages?
He didn't win us enough games? Is that not a team thing no? Just his fault is it?
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
And your man is on about Lee J this & Lee J that like the guy invented the step over :) I would keep him if we can because that's where we are at, but the likes of BWA & Co on here won't be happy till we are challenging the top three clubs, and I'll tell you one thing if we are building a side to do that, it won't be built around midfielders like him IMO so its all nonsense anyway. Criticism for criticisms sake. There is a way more on here about lads who haven't signed or might not sign than the lad we have signed and that's the proof of it, only interested in f*kcin whinging.
As someone who watched us first in 1987, these are not bad times like :) think of this clubs journey over the last twenty years, we are complaining we only finished seventh in the Prem. Take an overview, or a few valium, but chill out a touch and maybe enjoy it a bit ?
Think his point was he's in the assists / creative role or goal scoring midfielder one and you need that guy to open sides up and he hasn't, not enough. And in that I agree with him. He is nice to watch but not enough end product, no, not to warrant all this noise anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Just a few things.
The lads listed as signed is not a positive. Hall and Clarke - one of them is a massive waste of money. You decide!
Cotter and Brouder - Nowhere near the required standard.
Coleman - I don't think any of us have him pegged as a starter.
Whitehead - in an ideal world a mediocre premier teams third choice centre half.
The talk that the players who were offered the same deals as last year must have been on good money because we had a good budget is disingenuous at best considering what happened the squad throughout last season. Offering Hery and Tosi the same as last year would be utterly bizarre aswell.
Lee Lynch shold have been signed... No I don't think he's fantabulous. But he had a decent year in a terrible side. And optics people. OPTICS. The optics with Limerick are all wrong all off season every off season. Players around the league all talk to one another. Lee Jay has been around the league. If you're gowling him around a bit it's not great. For the record I think he'll end up signing because I don't think he has any better offers. But if his demands weren't outlandish they should have been met.
People are throwing cork and shamrock and dundalk around aswell. Nobody expects us to go down and poach Conor McCormack. What I would expect from us is to be doing our business like a bohs or a sligo both of whom off the top of my head are much further along the line to next season than we are. We had the fifth highest attendance in the country last season despite being absolutely desperate. Just how small do you want us to be?
There seems to be this daft game we play every year where we try to outsmart everyone, scoff at the fools spending the big bucks. The end result? You gaze in horror at Aidan Prices corpse siezing up in front of the clown you have in goals. Just once, I'd like to see Limerick do their business right.
My mind boggles at the thought of a management team on the guts of 200k between them being hamstrung by penny pinching on the playing side. I reckon for half it you could, for example, get Keith long and his entire backroom team to crawl backwards through barbed wire from dalymount park.
My mind boggles at the fact we have 3(THREE) people dealing with signing players.
The Off Season - Better than the season season
You say this every single time someone says something not nice about the club oh the negative people oh they just wanna whinge. You were definitely one of the people talking about the negative people just looking for bad things to say before we went 21 games without a win and got releagted. The fact that 7th is progress this year mainly because we went and got ourselves relegated through our own stupidity is lost on you isn't it? As for the the challenging for the top 3 nonsense the usual over-exaggeration bull I could say jesus Duggy has had a bad few weeks and you and others would be on what do you mean Duggy never played a good game in his life. I'm one of the first on here as soon as the club do something good to praise them too but ignore that cos it doesn't suit you.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
And the Lee J I mentioned him as an example because I think he is the best player we have yet to re-sign as pointed out the reason I am talking "Lee J this and Lee J that" with another poster could possibly have something to do with the fact me and that poster are having a discussion about Lee J is that really that hard for you o figure out? And ya you are right he definitely isn't the type of midfielder you have in a team looking to finish top 3 I mean look at his times at Pats and Sligo all he ever won there was a league and two FAI cups definitely not fit to be in a team doing well.
The we were worse before argument is just a lazy lazy argument. Am I being a bit over the top maybe with some of the criticism more than likely yes I'm probably taking some of my annoyance over last season out is it for no reason not at all I know some of what is going on and it will come out in time.
Now please fill us in on the details of our new signing so we can discuss him at lenght.
Maybe they won't come back no more, they might be in Benidorm with a Union Jack on their balcony and a big bag of pills & a fridge of cans laughing like mad at their own stories of their time in Limerick in the Eire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I may be wrong but someone that does all this stuff told me he has in double figures for assists.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Look at what you have to use as comparisons to justify it a season when we were relegated and one where we were in a relegation battle hardly a high bar to rise above. Why not have it better or even the same as the season we were going into the first divison when we had everyone signed up within no time at all no fussing no waiting just done quickly and efficiently.
If we had finished last it would have been an improvement on last season considering it was a division higher, really wanna use getting ourselves relegated as a marker to say sher thats progress.
My base for ranting is about knowing the details of some of the dealings with our current crop and some of our attempts at signing players so far this off season. if it works out and the club manages to pull off getting all the lads they want cheaper than fine but I don't see it working like that as it hasn't in the past. It isn't outside the clubs control at all either how is the club re-signing someone outside of the clubs control,
I hope they are coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
And they're sitting down to their fried bread this morning laughing about the team of league one and two ankle shatterers they've put together to romp the Paddy Premier Division (I would support this team a million percent)
I think I enjoy the offseason more than the season.