Interesting? Not quite the word I'd use.
Doubt its a coincidence that they all went to the papers on the same day. I wonder whose agenda they are persuing - their own, or someone with a vendetta again the chairman?
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Interesting? Not quite the word I'd use.
Doubt its a coincidence that they all went to the papers on the same day. I wonder whose agenda they are persuing - their own, or someone with a vendetta again the chairman?
lads, i can understand where the players are coming from. these are professional players, the pitch there training on isn't up to scratch, and no hot showers after friendlies. fail to prepare - prepare to fail and all that. I play MSL and I have better training facilities than one of the best el clubs in ireland, it's a total joke. We started our club in 1986 with 1 team, and because of the effort of the people in the club in the last 19 years, we now have 2 playing pitches, an all weather pitch and a fine clubhouse. i think the corner is right in saying that people in the club won't get up off their "holes" to do anything about it. IMO alot of people in the club are only interested in what they can get out of it. I'm not saying everyone is like that but alot.
Tis nearly about time that the fans got together and did something about it.
BL said the there has been €20,000 spent recently ... was that a site or what, maybe the fans could put that 500 club together a bit faster and get something done.
thats all well and good but its feckin heartbreaking when your out busting a gut and seeing members of the club sitting on their holes doing feck all about itQuote:
Originally Posted by A face
That wont get it sorted though.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
Maybe a shares option might be an idea or something.
How do you know the club members are sitting back doing nada. Lets be honest, we dont know whats going on behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
A 500 club/trust is a good idea in principal, but I would imagine quite difficult to get a commitment from 10 people, let alone 100+.
cork city chairman today stressed that his door is always open to his players nad management team in the wake of criticism levelled at the clubs trainig facilities
the clubs sole owner wondered why the players at tyhe centre of the controversy did not knock at bandon road first to air their grievances
"if anyone in the club has a problem or a worry about any issue they can come to me"
"but the fact of the matteris that we have 8 venues around the city we use for training purposes and that should be more than adequate for any team"
"to be honest,i dont want to hear any more excuses before a ball is kicked this season"
"i want the team to get out there and win something for a change and lets all work and sing from the same songsheet"
"i cant really understand the players attitudes when we have rochestown pk,stiofan niofa,deerpark,mardyke and venues like garryduff,the farm and bishopstown at our disposal"
"we even have a specailist coach in working with centre-forwards"
if you ask me the players dont know how lucky they are to be making a decent living out of football, i wish they would just get on with the job in hand and try to win some silverware this season"
"everything they say about the club i take personally and i wish they would do what they do best,let their feet do the talking"
george o callaghan has now also spoken out...thats 4 players
"last saturday i was never s o embarrassed to be a city player"
"those dressing rooms havent been touched since city stopped playing there"
" as for trainig kits,we got 2 sets of gear since we came back,but we are training twice a day"
"last year we had six sets of everything"
"the club have said they want 3-2-1 in terms of placings...but they we are ttreated we'd be lucky if it goes 2-3-4- or 5,because thats the way its going
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
When did they buy the land?
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Originally Posted by SÓC
when the complex got the planning permission
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Originally Posted by thecorner
No - what I meant was the facilityin LI was not developed by Leeside on their own but by the community at large.
Never mind - it's a fine place.We nearly always come away from there with the three points.
welcome back scotty ;)
the corner where are you getting these quotes from???????????????
todays evening echo
http://www.eveningecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf
I posted pretty much the same thing over on the city forum:
For a few months now, a lot of topics have featured posts criticising and attacking Brian Lennox.
I have defended the man, based on my knowledge of what he has done for this club, his openly expressed ambitions for the club, and the improvements he has made to the club as a whole.
I didn't start this thread to have a series of posts attacking and defending him, and it all going around in a circle. What I would like to see posted are some rational arguments either for or against his chairmanship, and ideas and/or solutions to the demands so many of us supporters are making.
This is what I think:
I don't know about the financial situation of CCFC, but I'm pretty sure that City is not flush with money.
On the one hand, I would say that we have significant outgoings in wages, ground rents, travel expenses. On the other, we do have some very good sponsorship, quite good crowds at times.
B. Lennox is a successful business man, but he runs a small to medium sized business, and does not have vast reserves to pour into City. I think he wants people to come in and put money into the club, but there doesn't appear to be many willing to do this.
Unless and until somebody pours a lot of money into this club, I think players, coaches and fans will have to be patient and accept that we what we have is what can be afforded at the moment. I don't know of anyway of getting a lot of money into the club, or how a the training facilities can be built quickly.
People are suggesting the names of different clubs and saying how good their facilities are, but what else do they know about them?
Are these facilities available to CCFC?
Are they affordable?
Have you priced them and gone and told the club about them?
Everybody is open to criticism, but how would people do things better?
Who wants to take on different tasks to raise money, or save money for the club?
Who is willing to DO something, rather than take potshots at those involved and complaining?
What is it that you think B. Lennox is not doing that he should be doing, how should he do it, and how would it be financed?
Ideas?
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Originally Posted by thecorner
Why didn't you just copy and paste it, like this? :D
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Originally Posted by Peadar
echo web page wasnt updated when actual paper came through the door ;)
also cant view inside pages
Also taken from todays Echo.
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CORK City have approved two new backroom staff appointments today.
The club have appointed Tommy Enright as the club’s official masseur,
while Eileen O’Keeffe has been appointed as the team’s new physiotherapist
for the coming season.
Tommy Enright works with the Cork senior footballers, while Eileen O’Keeffe has worked with the Munster U21 rugby team.
The announcement came as players voiced concerns over training facilities.
we now have a lot of unhappy players that no way we could afford to lose
question is what is lennox gonna do to make it all happy again
Jeez that sounds like about 2 months worth of rant there...
I couldn't see Lennox ever get to do anything he doesn't want to do. If he wants to sell up he'll do it but not under pressure from inside or outside the club.
I think the players have made a bad move in taking on Lennox in the press. he has proven previously that he won't also the Club to be held to ransom by players.
I'm sure the players have some valid points but I can't see how they think they've gone the right way about it.
thats the key to it. And to those people who are trying to put him under pressure- get lost, we don't want you :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Anyone think that Pat Dolan is one of the people putting Lennox under pressure for his (Dolan's) own ends ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
so who gave you the right to say who is and who isnt wanted in the cross ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Well its obviously co-ordinated that the players all said the same thing at the same time. Their own idea, or "encouraged" by someone?
since we moved from bishopstown, the club have been talking about developing there own pitch and training facilities, what progress have we really made on this over the last number of years ! none ! if we truly are to be the biggest club in ireland surely we need to be moving in this direction off the field.
Having read his quotes you'd have to think Lennox is pretty píssed off with the players right now, that quote about how it would be nice if they went out and won something for a change and stopped complaining said a lot. They always say you should never wash your dirty linen in public, and to be honest I can't see their manager not having given his express or implied permission for them to go public. Too many of them have come forward for him not to be aware of it before they did it. Not good form from Dolan if that is the case in my opinion
and vice-versa ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Well comments from Dolan and the players recently certainly smack of getting their excuses in early. Seems like Lennox has issued a put up or shut up to the team....
bad????????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by what biy!
its a disgrace..
FFS they have hot showers in the a.u.l.
professional footballers shouldnt have to put up with that tripe
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
One of 2 things has happened here:
1. Dolan knew nothing about this, in which case the players responsible should be fined/punished for going to the papers.
2. Dolan DID know about it, in which case is nothing short of a disgrace, and it raises serious questions about his integrity.
went to lennox and couldnt get problem solved. has to be highlighted then . what better way than each going to a different newspaper.. drastic times call for drastic measuresQuote:
Originally Posted by what biy!
to quote casegrande from corkcityfc.ie
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Lennox is telling the players to get out there and win the League! You don't win leagues when your pre-season training is a game against Home Farm on a cabbage patch with no showers!
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Originally Posted by Éanna
Dolan Out? :D
feckin hell eanna....its all dolans fault now :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
look closer to home an all the blame has to be layed with lennox
at least dolan has got balls and ambition... thats one thing that cant be said about lennox
I won't rush to judgement, because I don't know the facts. All I do know is that a number of players are NOT in agreement with the course of action being taken by those who went to the papers, and are very angry about it. If Dolan is allowing some players to do what they want, and speak "on behalf" of the others- what kind of way is that to manage a football club? Dolan has done a great job as manager for the last 2 years. I just want to see him get on with managing- no more, no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
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Originally Posted by Éanna
dont believe these posts about dolan now
open your eyes and take off the blinkers...
we have a chairman thats doing an inadequate job
As I said, I don't know whether to believe it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
no blinkers here. you know me well enough to know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
Thats a matter of opinion. I think we have a Chairman who's doing a very good job in very difficult circumstances, and that job is being made more difficult by his employees whinging to the papersQuote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
and if he is the chairman you believe he is, he should be above gooing to the papersQuote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
its all well and good players going to the papers(maybe hastily) but when your chairman goes, there is something wrong.
he shouldnt have to use the media in his slagging match
chairmen should do this behind closed doors.. he is involved in business long enough to know this
he replied to the players...no matter what the circumstances are, a chairman should never go public criticisng players... only adds fuel to the fireQuote:
Originally Posted by what biy!
I don't think ANYONE should have gone to the papers, Brian Lennox included. Some people were offering the excuse that the players felt they had no option- maybe Brian felt the same? None of us know whats really going on, but I for one just feel like banging all their heads together- now is no time for egos.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
"if you ask me the players dont know how lucky they are to be making a decent living out of football, i wish they would just get on with the job in hand and try to win some silverware this season" wouldnt go down well with players
"to be honest,i dont want to hear any more excuses before a ball is kicked this season"basically telling them to shut up
"i cant really understand the players attitudes when we have rochestown pk,stiofan niofa,deerpark,mardyke and venues like garryduff,the farm and bishopstown at our disposal" cant believe hes actually boasting about our training facilities