Would not believe a word from O'Connor given his history at the Tribunal where he was a associated with Lowry.
I was told he recently made an appearance or two in Stubb's Gazette. The sooner Bray get him out the door the better.
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Would not believe a word from O'Connor given his history at the Tribunal where he was a associated with Lowry.
I was told he recently made an appearance or two in Stubb's Gazette. The sooner Bray get him out the door the better.
What brought Denis O'Connor to Bray in the first place? Out of the blue he decided he'd buy an Irish football club and he chose Bray Wanderers? Never forget what this man is https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...owry-1.2295040. From the start he and his brother were divisive, driving away many people who had been loyal to the club for many years. They, along with a couple of willing local lickspittles took to Facebook to ridicule and belittle people (supporters) culminating in Murt O'Connor's racist and homophobic posts which at least put a stop to their use of Facebook. The supporters club has been wound up after the O'Connors set up a Bray Wanderers members club, controlled by themselves. And now he whinges about the lack of support? He drove people away, he had to know before he got involved with the club that support was small. I'm involved with a local schoolboy club and we haven't heard one word from Bray since the O'Connors came in, I'm sure we're not the only ones. Coincidentally, shortly after settling with Mick Cooke's unfair dismissal claim https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/...81801398957595 we sell Dylan Connolly to Dundalk. Walking around Bray on matchdays you'd have no idea there was a game on, not a poster or anything around the town. I agree with Mr. A, Denis O'Connor is the problem, he needs to get the hell out of Bray.
Where's the money coming from that has been invested in a squad sitting 3rd placed in the league?
I wish it was as simple as that, but it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
1. True, the O'Connors could have used their new brooms a little more cleverly when they took over, and yes, they didn't handle the long-serving volunteers very well. But that sort of bad start doesn't make them the enemy.
2. The town of Bray seems to have given up on Bray Wanderers once they joined the LOI in 1985 - with the exception of FAI Cup Semi-Finals and Finals, of course. Prior to that, there are plenty of reports of large attendances at matches.
3. Efforts to build support for the club have been intermittent, it is true, but have taken place every couple of years since 1985, with only very limited success. These involved approaches to local junior clubs, the Wicklow League, the Chamber of Commerce, the Town Council, and almost everyone who could possibly be of assistance. Hardly a school in the vicinity - well outside Bray town itself - didn't get visits from players, and the Cup was paraded around for good measure during the two years Wanderers had it.
4. Bray have no history of paying huge or even modestly inflated wages to players. In fact, a lot of the time they were paying well below the League averages.
5. Anyone with the time and determination could find practically annual rants by Pat Devlin amounting to much the same message as Denis O'C spelled out last night.
Wish there was a moneybags, even for a couple of seasons. We could do with one.
PFAI have just tweeted that Bray have told all players their wages are only covered up to next week and they can all go to other clubs.
Looks like only two teams will be going down this season.
Dundalk should have held out for a freebie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
In all seriousness though, I can't understand the point in contracts if you can just tell players we can't pay you anymore, move on.
Another year and another club granted a fake license on phantom sources of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Bray players performance was way off against Dundalk, the squad must have known this was coming. Some will get contracts elsewhere but most won't get anything like they are on. Time for PFAI to take legal action on both Bray and the FAI for this.
Did you get the irony / sarcasm of the original post?Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
That's the question the players are currently asking - where will the money come form?Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
This was O'Connor's shady plan from the start. Why the hell did he arrive at Bray Wanderers? Mulvey has obviously stopped writing cheques. They drove away as many long time supporters as they could, they wound up the supporters club, they did absolutely nothing to promote the club and now here we are, no money to pay the team. So will it be we could move the club to a new ground but would have to be allowed develop the Carlisle to fund it or will it be let the club fold and then see what happens the Carlisle? I curse the day the O'Connor brothers ever set their eyes on our club. They said they saved it from bankruptcy when they took over but then signed players on well paid two year contracts which was completely unsustainable at a club like Bray. I hope the club can survive this but either way the O'Connors have to go.
Heads should roll in Dundalk.
Remember the day.
A LoI club paid a five figure fee for a player they could have got for free a week later.
Dundalk agreed to pay the figure before the transfer window officially opened on 01/07, the transaction probably hasn't even gone through yet !
Some mess now in Bray though.
Reckon contract must have been signed or bray wouldnt have pulled the plug. Either way they could keep paying Connolly so he couldn't walk.
Some joke there...was wondering alright where the money was coming from, as attendances there have never been great and they've never had much money before.
Wonder what their submission to licensing was, how the spending was budgeted for.
A player only becomes "free" if his contracted salary is repeatedly not paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
While other players may not get paid, if Connolly was not transferred, you can be certain that Bray would have ensured that he was paid. Think Aaron Greene at Bohs several years ago, when he was perhaps the only Bohs player receiving what was owed to him, as the club frantically tried to sell him
Dundalk would certainly have had competition from Cork, Shamrock Rovers and some cross channel clubs for Connolly's signature if he was on a freebie. No guarantee they would have got him for free next week, they should not look at that as 30-40k wasted if they thought he was worth the money last weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Have the debts generated over the past two years been loaded onto the club or out of Mulvey's/O'Connor's/Someone elses pockets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
Dogs on the street apart from all in Abbotstown knew O'Connor was a total snake, this was a opportunistic property land grab that was never going to materialise.
They were always going to keeping paying Connolly. He is/was their only marketable asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
In fairness we have been in a mess for the last (10) years. Anyone remotely involved with the club over that period could see where this was going.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
What has happened over the last few years has shown we were always going to get to this stage. The new owners were certainly not in it for the love of the club and I reckon it has only been the last couple of months that the council basically said a firm no to what was perceived as their "plan".
I reckon within the town itself there are enough football people to get involved with the club and ultimately the town to get behind the club but in fairness it needs a complete start from scratch and get rid of the reasons for the town not supporting the club.
Dundalk couldn't have known he was going to pull the plug so tbf you couldn't blame the administration in dundalk. I don't think they would have had much compeitit ion for his signature no other loi club could afford 40k and if there was any interest from the UK 40k wouldn't have put a Uk team off if they wanTed him last week. But as they couldn't have known what was going to happen the fact that they could probably have got him for less is irrelevant. If they hadn't paid the 40k bray would have held on for a couple of weeks while looking to move him.
The council should wait until they go into liquidation then take the lease back.
Build a new stadium 6000 seats with training facilities bar etc just outside the town with a direct link financed by selling Carlisle ground. Let the council make the money instead of a developer and put a first class facility in place for bray nua.
Moving a club from their home place is usually a complete disaster. Rovers fans of all people should know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I'm talking a couple of miles and have a set up that gives the club a fighting chance not 10 or 20 miles away. Spurs west ham type moves not mk dons. Completly get the base support issue
If you have 1500 at a game what percentage of those actually pay into the game ?. I'm sure all other clubs are the same boat with free complimentary tickets.
The Shamrock Rovers attendance v. actual ticket sales/Season tickets shows a lot of free admission. I think St. Joseph's Boys schoolboys all get free Bray season tickets. Rovers is Bray's biggest home game of the season so more people will go to that game and use their free tickets to games against lesser teams.
The field of dreams theory of "build it and they will come" rarely works, unless you already have built up a solid rapport with a large number of fans who'd be willing to move. Bray don't have that. They'd be better off losing their current owner, staying in their traditional home and re-establishing ties with local clubs, schools businesses and trying to build organically over a period of 5-10 yrs. If that works then maybe consider a move.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
If you've barely any fans to begin with, how many would you have if you moved Wanderers out the the edge of town?
Don't think continuation of the status quo is a viable option. Would be interesting to see what bray supporters would say if they were offered a new stadium with a bar training ground etc within reasonable distance. Ask the fans now theres a mad idea ��
Limerick moved from the Markets Field only 5km away to Hogan Park and look what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Which quite a few Hammers fans seem to be regretting at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I think that's a fair point, if he had been a free agent he could gone around loads of clubs looking to see who would pay the biggest wages and possibly a significant signing on fee too built in too, there is absolutely no way Dundalk could have known this was happening today, he's a Dundalk player now and that's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
What now for Bray, will they limp on to the final week with a junior squad or will the FAI even let them get that far?
Totally hypothetical and far-fetched to debate that scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Why do you think there was any possibility of Dylan Connolly becoming a free agent? Bray has a contract with him to end of 2018
It won't happen while the O'Connors are in charge. Mulvey must know at this stage that they're not getting the ground so his chequebook is closed. The sooner they go the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by tippex
Dundalk could have outbid anyone else to get him if he became a free agent in terms of signing on fee etc ( he probably would have been a free agent in a couple of weeks as clear money is gone) but they couldn't have known that so it's irrelevant. It's like regreting backing a losing horse pointless. Dundalk got screwed by bray but in the context of the euro millions it's nothing. An annoyance nothing else I'd say for them. He's there now time will tell if it was a good signing whether it was for 40. 30 20 or 10
My question was more where had the money come to date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
The Bray players have had a good season to date, hopefully it will help them all to get contracts until the end of the season.
In the event of Bray folding and results being expunged it will have an interesting impact on the lower half of the table. Top it will rid Cork of one win and Dundalk of a win and a loss. Sligo and Limerick will lose 4 i think, and Bohs will lose 3 points, Pats and Drogheda will lose 1 point all others will have GD adjusted and 1 loss knocked off. With tonights game not taken in to account Sligo go clear at the bottom and even with a win v Rovers will be joint bottom on 16 pts with Drogheda and Pats.
McCabe is having a decent season. A move to Pats could be the difference for them to pull clear. Brennan to Drogheda lolQuote:
Originally Posted by legendz
That's the very reason I said start from Scratch. The writing was on the wall after the council meeting when it became apparent there was 0 support in doing a deal on the carlisle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
See above from seagull for who was paying it/ speculating to accumulate.
Cliff notes are O'Connors came in, ousted the McGettigans takeover which would have been the best option for Bray, forced out pretty much all long term volunteers and most of what little local support they had, brought a shady property developer with them as a silent backer on the promise of a pie in the sky plan to convince the council to build apartments on the Carlisle & O'Connors/ Mulvey get the £££ for that and the council build Bray a shiny new stadium at no cost to them. All with Bray being leasees on the Carlisle and it being council owned. Council tell them to get rightly get stuffed, now O'Connors/ Mulvey play the woe is us card and try and pull as much out of Bray to line their pockets before they get caught with their hands in the till now the council didn't go for the magic beans they were selling.
Whatever about the ins and outs of the above, another prime example of how little f**ks the FAI & their "licencing" committee give. As was said, plain as day to anyone with even a passing interest in the league what was going on at Bray, and Athlone too as soon as they happened, never mind reviewing and approving budgets and licencing from what should be rock solid figures or projections.
If the governing body of the sport in the country doesn't give a rats arse about the domestic game and only takes a half arsed token approach to governance, licencing, sponsorship, facilities, tv rights etc, the whole lot, that only invites the absolute chancers and shysters who come along every year or two to a club trying to scam and make a fast buck.
Looks to have been a pure property play. Players have done well out of it and I am sure most realised what the game was. Will what happened at Sporting Fingal, Shels happen now, i.e. manager and majority of players move to another club(Pats and Bohs in those cases) and have success there? Of course because of the shorter time frame involved with Bray their success has been limited to a place in the Iran-Bru Cup.
Terrible for the fans/volunteers. Difficult to see how anyone can blame the FAI for this.
Bohs would lose 6 points if Bray fold and would land right back in the relegation dogfight.
And another thing.....
Am I right in thinking that Dundalk are contracted to pay tens of thousands of Euros to "Bray" for Connolly, and yet the Chair of the Board says they have no money to pay players wages?
PFAI should at least be referring this to the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, and also possibly to the Gardai to investigate potential fraudulent acts by the company directors,.