there's question marks over the availability of two midfielders and you're questioning the decision to call up another midfielder?
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there's question marks over the availability of two midfielders and you're questioning the decision to call up another midfielder?
I think O'Neill is trying to wind TOWK up. He and Keane are ****ing themselves reading this.
Surely having undoubted talent is a good starting place for a call up?? What exactly are you looking for in a squad player?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Whelan, Arter, Hendrick, Gibson, Gleeson and O'Kane play that role.
Then there's Kelly, Hourihane and Hoolahan.
If he was going to call up another midfielder, I would have went with Manning rather than Browne based on what they've accomplished this season.
I simply cannot understand why he won't take a look at a striker.
It's the perfect time for it.
If we are depleted of strikers in September, the pressure of four huge games in quick succession is not the right environment to bring them in.
Delighted to hear Browne has got a call up. Very young but has stagnated slightly this season so I hope that coming in and training with Ireland gives him a push in the right direction. Any young player called into that environment would surely leave counting down the days to getting back to pre season.
Training beside players like McCarthy, Arter and Wes will surely teach him a thing or two. Preston aren't stock piling central midfield of top flight quality.
Somewhat disappointed Manning hasn't been called in. That said, he only has half a season of first team football and little under 21 experience. Browne has been at that level a while so I'm thinking that might be why he's ahead of him in the queue.
With Shane Long set to miss out and with O'Neill demonstrating that he's prepared to call up further players who haven't been named in his provisional squad, I'm hopeful Sean Maguire might still get a nod over the next few days, even if it's just to have the player train with the squad during the Fota Island training camp. The camp will be less than 20 kilometres down the road from Cork city (where I assume Maguire lives), after all, so why not bring him in? What's there to lose?
Cillian Sheridan's Polish title-chasing Jagiellonia Białystok take on Nieciecza on Sunday the 28th of May and then play Lech Poznań in their final game of the season on the 4th of June, which happens to be the same day as the Uruguay friendly, so Sheridan obviously won't be free to be travelling to the US during next week, be that for training or game-time. That's unfortunate, although it's not to say that O'Neill would have called him up otherwise either; O'Neill's words suggest possibly not.
Strange to add someone to a 38-man provisional squad?
You'd call up Manning based on his achievements this season, ie making a handful of appearances for a midtable Championship team, over a player who's played twice as often for a better team?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Browne hasn't really nailed down a first team spot though.
Manning has impressed me more, from what I have seen of him, and appears to have more upside.
More versatile too.
Gleeson and O'Kane are worthy of a greater look based on Iceland, so I don't see much scope for Browne to get a look in.
I concur it's a marginal decision in the greater scheme of things and it may be churlish of me to moan about it.
Manning has been in and out of the team too. I'm not saying he's a bad option either.
FWIW Browne has played 35 times this season, although I believe a fair few of those were off the bench - Manning has played 17 times, although he only broke into the team in late 2016. With over 70 appearances at Championship level, I'd still give the edge to Browne. But they're both still young - Browne is 22 and Manning is nearly 21 so hopefully by the time we start our Qualifiers for the next World Cup, they'll both be serious candidates for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Have to agree with this. It sends a positive message to Browne, who has accumulated multiples of the appearances at under 21 level for us and at senior level in the Championship than Manning has.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Manning has looked really good and has earned the plaudits but Browne has the extra bit of experience and has a lot of games played for a defensive midfielder of that age.
Nobody has mentioned that Browne got the nod over Chris Forrester yet. Forrester really needs to get his move this summer.
Like Danny's logic regarding Maguire, I wonder if Browne's inclusion is partially based on convenience. Would he have been Cork-based now that Preston's season has ended? The squad is due to meet up this morning in Fota Island - http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...quad-1.3092517
Of course, O'Neill and Keane would have been keeping a close eye on Preston anyway so it's no surprise that they'd know more about Browne than some of the others mentioned.
Cryptic but you may get your wish.Attachment 2558Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
wonder if "newest" means a first call up for a player?
Considering they're getting new gear I'd say so.
How do we know it's new? Looks creased to me. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
They've only gone and bloody done it! - https://www.instagram.com/p/BUb6IV6FVNU/
One minute of professional football.
I wonder if there are any other reasons they called him up?
I predicted Stephen Dawson so I was half right.
Fair play to the lad. Not a bad week for him
https://p.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/ren...-him-up.png?v2Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Mentioned here yesterday
https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2017/may/22-may/rice-its-dream-come-true
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/05/...ounded/337729/
Wrong link earlier
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Originally Posted by Declan Rice
Not unusual to call up young lads to train with them similiar to Jack Byrne, Alan Browne and a good few others down through the years. Good experience and can only be a positive for him.
Byrne had a full season and Browne had several when they were called up.
I think it's a bit ridiculous TBH.
I'm not even sure there's a precedent for it.
Unheard of for a player to get called up without playing senior football and/or at a higher level than League Two, like Rice and O'Dowd.
It looks like a recruitment exercise more than a footballing decision.
How did that get past the foot.ie instant news-breakers!Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Am I missing something on that second link, I don't see anything about Rice?
*O'Dowda
Even Conor Clifford had League One experience when he was called up.
And his subsequent career trajectory displays why that was a questionable decision.
I reckon he's only called up to train, i.e not in the actual squad that will travel to US. I wonder how many players are actually there this week? James McClean is in Dubai as far as I can see and I imagine a few others have short holidays planned.
The main 23 squad probably won't be whittled down until after the Mexico game.
Ten center backs in the squad according to Balls.ie.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
I know yes, but what I mean is, according to O'Neill not everyone named in the extended squad is training for the Mexico/Uruguay games. He name checks the premier league players and playoff players specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Being generous that would mean O'Shea, Wilson, Long and McShane, maybe add in lads who've played an awful lot of games like Keogh. We could end up with an almost B international squad travelling over.
It'll be interesting if nothing else.
I guess it will effectively be a B International, which I have been calling for for quite a while.
Hopefully the Uruguay game will see participation from some of our stronger players.
Two more callups: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/867025688049709056
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.@CorkCityFC duo Mark McNulty & Alan Smith to join up with Martin O'Neill's Ireland squad for training camp in Fota Island. #COYBIG
You would find the negative in a lottery win wouldn't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
There were rumours of Arsenal interest, he breaks into a Prem side which in case you haven't noticed, Irish players are doing less and less, the guy is dual qualified and is openly delighted by this. It shows forward thinking, MON thinking beyond MONs time as manager most likely, it shows awareness of talent emerging. It only ticks positive boxes.
Yet, still you aren't happy. Nonsense from you again in my opinion.
19 man training squad in Fota Island this week:
Republic of Ireland Training Squad
Goalkeepers: Mark McNulty, Alan Smith (Cork City)
Defenders: Cyrus Christie, Alex Pearce, Richard Keogh (Derby County), Shane Duffy (Brighton & Hove Albion), Andy Boyle (Preston North End), Kevin Long (Burnley) Declan Rice (West Ham United), John Egan (Brentford)
Midfielders: Eunan O'Kane (Leeds United), Alan Browne, Daryl Horgan (Preston North End), Conor Hourihane (Aston Villa), Wes Hoolahan (Norwich City), Stephen Gleeson (Birmingham City), Callum O'Dowda (Bristol City)
Forwards: David McGoldrick (Ipswich Town), Daryl Murphy (Newcastle United)
http://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/irela...-training-camp
Not sure in the point in calling up 2 Cork City goalkeepers. Basically saying - your just here to make up the numbers for training lads. Should have another 1st choice keeper there, Schlingerman or Supple(Keane would love that) just to run the rule over them in case of an all out goalkeping crisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
He hasn't broken into the team! He came on in second half stoppage time during the last game of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Reece Grego-Cox, Kevin Toner and Michael Harriman accumulated more minutes in the PL before struggling to get minutes at L1 and L2 clubs (Cox and Toner) and establishing himself in L2 (Harriman).
The Arsenal rumors are just that. Rumors. He wouldn't be signing for their first team, he would be signing for their youth system, and as Henderson and Crowley have shown, it's hard to make the step up to senior football.
I doubt they've even seen him play TBH.
Calling someone up because their eligible is ridiculous. But if they're going to go down that road it would have made more sense to call up Josh Cullen.
Calling up a forward would show more forward thinking rather than calling up a tenth center back, pardon the pun.
Pretty sure if we had a striker who played a minute at Prem level last weekend he'd be along for the jolly too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And there's nothing wrong with protecting the asset, if England are poking behind the scenes as they are known to do and this helps send a message that the guy is happy to go to a senior squad gathering with Ireland then it's win win far as I'm concerned.
People wants these friendlies to explore options beyond the usual squad lists and here we are.
I still think it's too early to read anything into Browne, Rice, McNulty and Smiths call ups to a decimated training squad. It seems unlikely the FAI would fly 42 players to the US.
Chances are MON or a member of his staff was at the Burnley-West Ham game and asked Declan Rice if he would like to come over to a training camp. (a training camp that seems optional by all MONs quotes). Similiar with Browne.
Still a small chance Maguire, Kevin O'Connor or some other players could be asked, maybe Ryan Delaney who's played LB assuming Cork release them or they are fit after playing last night.
You can get all the recommendations from club managers, scouts, ex pros about prospective players but it's best to see them yourself on the training ground.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...medium=twitter
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The group will break up on Thursday evening before a revised squad gathers on Sunday in Dublin ahead of Monday’s departure for the United States where Ireland are due to play Mexico next Thursday.
It is not yet clear how many senior players O’Neill intends to bring to New Jersey or how many of the current group will remain with the squad right through until the Austria game on June 11th.
Browne is probably in a similar position to Smith and McNulty- he was in Cork. Maybe that's unfair. He probably is worth a call up but it's an easy call to make too.
Delighted to see Rice get a call. I don't think there's ever been anything from his side that would lead us to think he would jump ship. The lad appears to have absolute buckets of potential and is playing at such a high level at such a young age. I don't think any of the players that TOWK has named there have shown as much promise by that age as Rice has.