Funny, but wasn't there an IRA ceasefire on in 95 and not one in 1990 when the c*nts were far better behaved. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvo
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Funny, but wasn't there an IRA ceasefire on in 95 and not one in 1990 when the c*nts were far better behaved. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvo
So none of the 5m+ Muslims (note the spelling) in France are French then......?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
On the 95 game, the English fans started the trouble straight after we scored, which was their pre-arranged signal. Although I don't usually dig police brutality of any sort, I'm glad the Gardai battered the English fans in this instance as the legal system would just have held them overnight and released them the next day to fly home as heroes.
However - I would say that the Gardai are by and large just a bunch of messers, with no air of authority in general and zero notions on crowd control in particular. Not in any way an impressive police force, and they pale in comparison to any other police force I've experienced in the First World. The Police in England/the US etc leave you in no doubt who's in control, purely by how they handle themselves. The Gardai I always find difficult to take seriously at all.
That goes on here as well - just ask the family of Dean Lyons. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by pronane
Our cops have all the bad characterisitics (corruption, incompetence, arrogance) of other police forces but none of the professionalism that enables the police to keep people safe.
KOH
Think you’re all being a bit hard on the Gardai...
They are not all corrupt and some of them are extremely intelligent...
Most of the Gardai that police the match's are told exactly what to do and where to stand by higher powers.. So its not the Gardai at the match's fault that there isn't enough policing power or that security was not at its highest its some pencil pusher in the office who coordinates the security and gives out the orders...
Ya the problems in '95 were not helped by the inadequate security at the time, it was simply underestimated.. But fair play to them for getting everything under control even though they didn't have all the sufficient resources necessary to deal with the riot... And I'm sure they will learn from their mistakes....
On another point have a question for you lot
Has there ever been a riot at any other Irish International Match?
Can't think of any off hand
A significant number of them do not consider themselves French at all. It's an issue for France now and will be an even greater issue for France in the future as the Moslem population increases exponentially.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
yes, and they booed the french national anthem for the game against Algeria. awful ! but not a surprise as the majority of our players even don't know "La Marseillaise" and i doubt all of them can speak french. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Oh what the feck do you expect? Your President Chirac was complaining about the smell of them about a decade and a half ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by laurent
And who in the French team do you think can't parlons la francaise? (let's see :confused: I'll stick a tenner on it not being Fabian Barthez) Or do you mean can't parlons perfectamant. Because you should try listening to some of the white anglo-saxon rosbifs like Beckham, Peter Beardsley or G8 as the wife beater now likes to be known as, to see how poor a native can speak his own language. :rolleyes:
I'd be surprised if none of them could speak French (the players that is) but I would not be surprised if many of the new immigrants could not speak French. The number of Moslem immigrants moving to France is significant and will certainly have a profound influence on the future of France. For better or for worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
They had a clip on the news on rte2 about it tonight. That twerp Alan Hunter was on claiming he and his 'organisation' has warned the FAI about it in advance but were ignored :rolleyes:
Immigration is a necessary fact of life for Western Europe Fergies's Son - particularly those with ageing populations like France. The likes of France and Germany will econimically wither without immigration, and that is an accepted fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
I think you'll find the majority of Muslim (why did you insist on ignoring the conventional spelling of the word ?) immigrants into France are actually from French-speaking North Africa. Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians in the main, and the vast majority of them already speak French. Sorry to have facts get in the way of your poorly-cloaked xenophobic "immigrants can't speak the feckin' lingo" stereotyping...
The number of English/English-speaking immigrants moving to certain rural areas of France is also significant, and will also certainly have a profound influence on the future of France. Just like the number of Irish moving to Boston and New York etc etc etc in the mid 1800's did. Significant numbers of any language/culture/race moving anywhere has a profound effect, and has done for literally millenia. So what's your point about Muslims then, and why do you seem determined to associate negative elements to their presence in France ?
Of course I meant the players could all speak French. I'd have a guess that it is part of gaining French citizenship. The original post was to me a clear racist dig at France's foreign 2G. As with Asians in Britain and Turks in Germany, those born in the country can often speak the language better than some of the natives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
As for migrants not speaking French, well is speaking the language a prerequisite for residence? Take a look at the English-speaking ghettos that have sprung up along the Spanish costas to see that there are people there that have lived in the country for twenty-five years and can speak as much Spanish as my mother can speak Japanese.
In fact, while many North Africans and their offspring might feel marginalised in France, as dcfcsteve touches on, there are increasing probs with the children - principally teenagers - of the influx of Britons moving in, because of their own inability to learn the language. The Daily Mason ran a two page article about this a couple of months ago - it predicted an inevitible life of low menial work and crime through poor education (or rather the inability to understand French) - and the fact that the springing up of 'Brits Go Home' graffitti comes not from locals but from settled Britons that find these new property speculators are giving them a bad name.
My mate was telling me there is a part of Canada (near Toronto somewhere I think) where the whole community speak with Mayo accents!! Obvioulsy an impact of emmigration in the 1800's - unless he's pulling my leg........errmmm...............Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
All common knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Was on the north terrace and got on the pitch after. Actually we met some of them in the liffey bar afterwards. Were boasting how they had wrecked every city in europe etc etc.
The average plod on the beat is only responding to his superiors, like in any job, so the real blame lies with Garda HQ for putting trainees at lansdowne that night.
KOH
dunno about that, but there are villages in argentina where irish is spoken. and also, one or two areas in argentina where german has been spoken for the last 60 years or so :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
And Welsh!! Yer man Heinze from Man U is fluent in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
A funny thing happens after of a few hundred years of colonial economic rape of North West Africa. Much of that region now speaks French the same way we speak English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Another funny thing happens after such oppression. The colonial master leaves but remains the paymaster in many ways. Apparently one or two Irish people went to England during the 20th century.
The French government invited over workers from these countries during the 40s, 50s and 60s who were given passports. Countries such as Tunisia, the Ivory Coast maintain close links with France.
Maybe all this surprises you? Did you ever wonder why France is a global power? There's your reason.
France shafted much of Africa and didn't even leave Algeria until the 60s and only then after a miserable war which saw a few million Algerians killed.
don't know if there was trouble during the match, but read that some irish were on the rampage after the euro qualifier in moscow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
France had a total 'open door' policy to Algeria - 'open door' as in exactly the same way Britain had with Ireland until the Single European Act, or EU countries currently have with other pre-2004 EU countries - at least until the mid 1980's SEA. Don't know what happened after that but any Thomas Cook Railway Timetable of the early 1980s (this listed visa requirements for countries) I read had Algerians as the only nationals granted an unlimited stay in France outside the original nine EEC countries and maybe Switzerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
Newfoundland in Canada is a fairly isolated part of the country. Fishing expeditions of the North Atlantic would leave England and pick up fishermen and labourers usually from Waterford and spend the season fishing near Newfoundland. Most of this emigration was seasonal but some stayed and eventually more came over. As it was such an isolated place, the Irish were the only group of people there. It is indeed true that they speak with Irish accents. RTE broadcast a documentary last year called the Irish Empire. It interviewed an old man from Newfoundland. The land itself looks eerily like the western coast of Ireland. The narrator herself says that it's like a part of 'the old country' just floated across the sea. Because it was all Irish, the houses are the same, the fields look the same, the farming methods were the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
The old man had barely heard of the Famine and said he remembered, as a boy, the old Irishmen outside the church. He was born and raised there and sounded like he was from Tipperary. Look it up, it was an excellent documentary.
Only games I've known with trouble aside from the 1995 visit were Belgium 1981, Denmark 1985, the Scum 1985 (as Davros notes) and Switzerland 1985. However, I'd hardly call what happened as riots.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
great record, best fans in the world! except when it comes to singing at LR it seems ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Wher did you read that? Moscow's Right wing nutters trashed a few hotels with irish fans in it and indeed attacked a few Irish fans (one guy on our coach had been hit over the head with an iron bar) However, this doesn't equate to Ireland fans on the rampage - I guess your taking the mick :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
not at all, i actually read that in a few places, been a while so sorry don't remember where. certainly online football sites. mighta been english ones :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Junior
p.s. sorry to hear about your friend, that's sickQuote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Might be tough to get, just ring up RTE and ask for the archives section, see if they'll help you out! I don't think it's out on DVD or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by pronane
I saw that prog too, definitely sounded IrishQuote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
reminds me of a south african girl I worked with while living in Germany. "How would you know? You don't have to live with them" was just one of her well-informed reasons for not trusting black people :rolleyes: But, of course, she claimed she wasn't a racist :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
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Originally Posted by ken foree
Ya I think that England match was the only trouble at a home match we ever had....
Were all Angels I tell you Angels..
that little kid was a mank united fan.poor little fella his great day out watching premier**** heroes ended badlyQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
i remember a gam on sports files (rte on saturdays) from wembley about 91ish. 1-1 i think. but england an ireland fans sitting beside each other at the game. seemed fairly ok from the clips on tvQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
dont underestimate the culpability of the gards in allowing that trouble to start.and the gards still havent learnt a lesson.as proved by their inability to police loi games played in front of a 2500 peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
more corki nonsense about Rovers troublemakers. when Rovers were in turners x last season it was YOUR moron supporters who started the trouble so cop on to yourself with this "only" Rovers casue troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
at least he learnt what english football is about before he got too involved in supporting itQuote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
what inability is that? I'm no fan of the gardaí but the way you're saying it, you'd swear there was war at eircom League games- which there isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
We have a few people on this forum who were in attendance on that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
I appreciate that you will have difficulty reading, given your unfortunate circumstance in life, but could you ask someone to read my post to you before you make an even greater fool of yourself by flying off the handle?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
There's a good little scally.
There was definitely segregation at that game. Some Irish fans i nthe home end all right. England hadn't sold out for a few years so not too hard to get tickets in the England end - ours were difficult to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
no real trouble on the night. One Irish pub was done I heard o nthe day but never saw it confirmed. however many of the boneheads that follow England away don't go to home games.
Fans were mixed in at Euro88 more so and at Italia 90. Mixed campsites in Stuttgart an dCagliari but no issues in either
dont be pedantic with the spelling :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
as for gards theyre absolute morons. no-one takes them serioulsy, saw one real culchie looking potato-head thick looking fooker in town last week, had to crack up laughing at the mere sight of him. then the big thick gombeen satnding at the corner of henry st o'connell st with one leg agaisnt the wall yawning while hands in his pockets,looked like he was catching flies.
gards are incompetent lazy idiots. and thats before you take into accoutn the rampant corruption in the force,which is a whole other issue
What was that about attacking the post and not the poster? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
KOH
read what he said again.Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
ots certainly true that in Cork there are (Cork)people who only turn up for Rovers games at the cross because they're looking for trouble. Thats not Rovers' fans fault, but it is because of Rovers.Quote:
Rovers seem to bring out a bad element in every club.
Monkey see, monkey do.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
WAR, I'm sure you appreciate I wasn't suggesting that Rovers "start" all the trouble?
you said: ""There's only trouble when Rovers are in town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Lets face it, we never see trouble any other time.
Rovers seem to bring out a bad element in every club.""
how can you blame Rovers fans "bringing out an element of fans" who want to have a go?
in every club?ther was trouble at three fixtures last year.three. cork away when cork fans started it. longford away when stewards aided by aretired garda started it.and the gypos when both sides looked for it. so your claims that Rovers bring out a thuggish element in every club is wrong.
i can read perfectly fine, not just in english either.
as for scally?what basis have you for that ludicrous claim??i wouldnt be seen dead in a tracksuit in public. never wear caps. dont wear hideous jewelry of any kind.maybe youd like to actually find out waht a scally is before labelling someone it, casue if you call me it you mustnt know what one is
as for unfortuante circumsatnces, cant think of much more unfortunate circumstances that being from cork , (bar being a native of somewhere like mogadishu or pyongyang) :D