yep, he is down as having 6 red cards
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yep, he is down as having 6 red cards
Might not be a bad thing, should guarantee he is fit and raring to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint07
Incidently anyone know how many times he has ben sent off for Ireland?
I can't seem to recall any, but with my memory that is not saying a lot!
Google has a better memory though, sent off in the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.
That seems to be the only one.
Article on Soccernet says Dunne is a shadow of his former self and could be swapped for Given.
I dont watch as much as you all, is he really that much off last years performance?
I'm a Dunne fan but he's been pretty atrocious this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Own goals, sendings off...just a lot of stupid decisions, and as we all know, decision making is one of the most important things about being a centre-half.
What I will say in his defense is that he is having to babysit Micah Richards in the centre of defense, and Man City's system is so offensive that he is constantly exposed.
Kompany is not good enough to shield in that kind of offensive system, and Dunne is being stretched unnecessarily.
Contrast that to last year, where Sven played a defensively responsible system where the midfielders shielded the defense well, especially Hamann.
My evaluation: If Hughes wants to play that kind of system, he needs a world-class defensive/holding midfielder, and a world-class centre-half to play alongside Dunne.
Goalkeeping also needs an upgrade so I can understand them going after Given.
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Originally Posted by Crosby87
He has just crept back into the Actim Top 100 at no 100, so I don't think
he is finished, looks like he is on the way back.
Another sending off tonight for Dunne.
Two yellow cards, one in the first half, second midway through the second.
He was warned by the ref just before half time after a clumsy challenge that another challenge like that would result in a red. Slid in hard on the left winger, completely missed the ball and was shown the second yellow followed by the red.
That's three sendings off in one season.
it was always coming aswell, completely wreckless
Did I miss something with the second yellow?
I thought it looked a soft enough yellow, blatant obstruction sure, but nothing that would damage anybody's health in a month of sundays, compared to Ireland's uncarded lunge which could have been a leg breaker.
Without Dunne, City looked spineless out the field (means Givens excepted).
dunne was on his final warning before that booking, he really should have got his second yellow in the first half to be honestQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
What is wrong with him.....!!!:eek:
he would be behind your Jagielkas/Lescotts/Laursens and probably even your Lucas Neils these days :(
Was he at his best playing with Distin or is Distin gone longer than I realise.
He is playing with some young and inexperienced players at city and maybe he is trying to do too much.
Mark Hughes likes his teams to be hard and physical so this does put you under more pressure of yellow and red cards.
This and the powder puff, from helping the defence point of view forwards that city have put a lot of pressure on the defence.
I am not sure if a certain Mr Trappatoni would have many of those city forwards on his team if he was buying/choosing players for a premiership team.
Chelsea had a lucky escape that Robinho choose the big cash and went to city.
He is not good enough that he does not have to do the ordinary stuff that normal players do. Often the really top players will do most of the ordinary stuff with the special stuff as well.
Dunne is having a very poor season by his own high standards. He kept getting done out on the touchline, don't know why he kept getting dragged out there. Richards seemed to go missing a lot of the time. City were like a disorganised schoolboy team. Ireland had a very poor game. I'm not sure Trap would play him if he was available.
I only saw the second half and thought Dunne looked sound.
Fair dues to Jol, he has a good attractive team despite the shakes in defense.
I like the way the Hamburg players just sat down facing their fans at the end, milking it in.
For all the transfer talk at the start of the year, if he went on sale tomorrow no one in the top eight would want him considering what they already have. And figures of 10m would be laughed at. Bloody shame. Looked like he really could have stepped up to the Vidic mark at one stage last season.
does anyone fear that he might be get sent off for us in a really big game? or is he more composed/confident playing for us?!
Dunne is a very fine player having a poor season by, as someone else has said, his own high standards. He was vulnerable last night having been booked early on.
There'll doubtless be some hysterics ...but they are just that.
I think having O'Shea beside him means he has less to do, which makes him more composed. At City, he's been covering for Richards (who's regressed massively) and Onuoha (who's still very inexperienced) whereas with Ireland, O'Shea is far more confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I agree, but I am imagining... if you said that a year ago, you'd have been placed in a nuthouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Dunne will be back to his best once City sort out their team. He's having to deal with way too much because of a very unbalanced midfield. Too often they lose possession and it's left to the defence to deal with. They need someone to dominate midfield. They've defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders. Nobody like a Gareth Barry or our very own Steven Reid to dominate a game from the centre. Ireland doesn't dictate many games despite what some people think.
I used to always think that Dunne was a liability at the back. I used to joke to my friends that his name should be 'Dunnekey', but he ended up having a great few seasons with Man City and the Ireland defence always looks suspect without him. I hope he can return to form sooner rather than later!
I agree that his amount of sending offs is down to the way the Man City defense is exposed.
There are so many times during a game when it's 3 attackers vs 3 man city defenders, or 2 on 2.
That situation always favours the attackers, and Dunne is not the kind of player to let a player past him.
With Trapattoni's defensive system, these sort of situations are a lot more rare.
This means we won't necessarily create as many opportunities as Man City, but we won't allow near the amount of counter-attacks they do, thus allowing Dunne to be more comfortable with his duties.
His sending off on Thurs was down to his own recklessness and nothing to do with covering for a poorly balanced midfield. Im not saying that has not been a factor to his bookings/sending offs over the course of the season but that is not the full story.
The Sun, that bastion of credibility, is linking Dunne with a move to Sunderland.
No doubt Sunderland would want him (assuming they stay up), but would Dunne leave?
If there's any way he can stick with City, he should try, as with a few more big signings and a smartening up of tactics/formation on Hughes part, the blue side of Manchester could find themselves fighting for a Champions League spot in a year or two.
The number being thrown around is a paltry 4 million pounds.
Arsenal could do worse, especially for that money.
Sunderland are a club going no where since Keane left. If they are not relegated this season then they will next year unless they change manager and a host of players. Dunne should stay at City if he can. He hasn't been playing well recently but I think thats down to his defensive partners also...Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
sure even vidic has had 3 reds for utd this season and he's favourite for POTY. man city are all over the place and central defenders are always the ones most likely to suffer in such situations. dunne has been immense for us and thats all that really matters
Hear hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Are you Pat Dolan? More Keano crap!!! We're 4 places better off since he left. The story is complete load of non-sense. Sbairga won't be manager in the summer. FACT. So why is he signing players? It would be a great move for Dunne as we are heading in the right direction under Short and Quinn. Despite what the Keano loving media say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Eh....Quinn came out and said Sbragia will be the manager next season...FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
And despite the fact that chairmen say this sort of stuff all the time, I know that Quinn isn't that sort of guy- he means what he says.
If Sbragia isn't manager of Sunderland next season, it will be his choice, not the club's.
It's hard to say what direction Sunderland are going- Drumaville are only minor players now that the Irish economy has collapsed, and Short, while playing a key financial role, doesn't have the same ambitions or commitment to providing funds that Drumaville had pre-recession.
I feel that they can kick on to be a solid mid-table club if the right moves are made and they get a bit of fortune, but the fact that nobody (good) would sign for them when they were throwing money around means that whoever is managing them will have their work cut out attracting players let alone affording them.
Chairman in support of manager shocker!!Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
The dogs in the street know he won't be the manager next season. Quinn said it was only a half way house option and will be viewed in the summer.
As for Dunne, he is just a good Premier League player. This talk of Arsenal or Man U should sign him is a joke.
If the rumours are true and Sven Goran Eriksson will be in charge at the SoL next season this story mind be true. But you can't believe everything you read.
Hughes doesn't rate Dunne and has money to burn. Dickie will be one of many Citeh players shown the door. Sure, wouldn't it be better for him to be first team football at Sunderland than warming the bench at Eastlands next season?
Arsenal regularly get bullied at CB. Last night, last weekend...Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
He's a good player that'd suit Arsenal's financial constraints at the £4m mentioned (looks cheap though) and would add steel where it's needed. Just my opinion.
If Hughes didn't rate Dunne, he would have brought in someone during the transfer window to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
He didn't rate Garrido or Ball, so he brought in Bridge
He didn't rate Jo/Bojinov/Sturridge/etc up front so he brought in Bellamy
He didn't think Hart was up to it, so he brought in Given
He's dropped Richards, Hamann and Vassell amongst others, yet has stuck with Dunne at centre half, despite scoring two OG's and being sent off three times this season. He's started every game he's been inolved in (41 out of 51 total), only Ireland and Robinho have started more in the City squad.
I think you answered your own question there. If City want to break into the Champions League then the likes of Duune,Vassell, Hamman and Ball. They are good players but not CL players. Hughes has been trying to get a centre half in but hasn't got one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Hasn't Richard Dunne won the Man City player of the year for the last 4 years. Didnt hughes himself talk Dunne into staying at City, after the player expressed a desire to leave.
Dunne is of high enough quality to play in the champions league, although city need another Centre Back I dont see Dunne leaving. The guy has played consistantly well for 4 years and is having a bad season in a team that is all over the place.
If Hughes stays at City, then Dunne will stay and If Hughes leaves City then any new manager will proabably keep Dunne.
The only centre half I can remember City being linked to is Cannavaro, and there's no way Hughes is going to sign himQuote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
How many places are you better off than finishing position last season? I'm a Keane fan, but I'm not sure about his signings...all I'm saying is that Sunderland are a club going nowhere but downwards unless they get a host of new players...and richard Dunne would be off his head to go there unless there are serious changes
I think people are being harsh on Dunne. He has made mistakes this season but we mustn't forget trhe fact that he is babysitting the likes of Onuha and Richards...in fact Bridge has been a big disappointment also. I'm not saying none of it is his own fault but the guys playing there with him are poorQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Joe
Given has gone from the fat into the frying pan with regards to the defence in front of him....
A lot of Honey Monster's mistakes are out on the right wing covering for Richards etc. but still, at his level he should be looking before he leaps in a lot of instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Is wanting to sign Dunne not a sign of moving in the right direction? By looking to appoint a top class manager with premier experience i.e Sven, Curbs or Houllier looking to better ourselves? It'll take a good year for the new man to clean up the mess Keane left behind in which in all fairness Sbriga has done to a certain point. Ricky's main task was to keep us up. We're no better than last year and thats down to Keane and Quinn's poor decesion making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
It's funny how in England people believe Sunderland can go places if we can stay up but it's the opposite over cause the great keano bottled it and ran away. Again!!
I just think Hughes looks at Dunne more as a liabilty than an asset. Maybe it's not to Hughes but the board to sell Dunne. Maybe Hughes is a bad judge of a player. He does want Samba.
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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
I agree Ericson, curbishly or Houllier would indicate a step in the right direction, as would signing Dunne...but at the moment that's hearsay.
Agree with you about Samba also. Its amazing some of the defenders that are rated highly by media etc that are absolutely brutal eg Corluka, Wheater,