back on topic here about keane and vieira
anybody else surprised that vieira actually stood there and took it off him??
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back on topic here about keane and vieira
anybody else surprised that vieira actually stood there and took it off him??
Not surprised at all - his disiplinary record has been excellent over the last two years and generally hasn't reacted to extreme provacation as he had done in the past with the likes of Ruddock etc. The last big disipline probelm he had was after he was sent off for not kicking Ruud 'dying swan' van Nistelrooy (i bet if he could turn back time he would actually make the sending off worthwhile!! :D )
You mean trying to kick RvN but missing, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
If I remember rightly Van Nistelrooy jumped out of the way of Vieira's swinging boot..fail to see how that's dying swan like, he didn't roll around pretending there was contact like Vieira on Tuesday, when there clearly wasn't any
see here Karlos for the perfect dive
and oh my god...is that mr vieira :D
oh my god it is!
I should go get the Rooney, Neville, Scholes & Van Nistelrooy collection out but I fear theirs not enough room in the thread and i'm probably not that PETTY after all!!! :D :D
so that's Pires, Vieira and Diouf then - the only divers in the Premiership! :p
Yeah, by the time we retaliate with Pires, Bergkamp, Onrey, Reyes, Vieira the whole of foot.ie will crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
I think the tunnel incident has created a massive over reaction on here. In a nutshell ' a player directed a bit of bad language at another player in the tunnel' no big deal - I think people are just taking themselves all a bit too seriously. And we accuse SKY of looking to sensationalise it!!!
I recall Kavanagh giving old Yakin a bit of the verbals not too long back and receiving great acclaim for it "stealy midfielder", "commitment", "just what we needed"
Lads you want to take all the fun out of it ;)
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Originally Posted by Macy
you forgot Cole!! :D
I never said he did kick RvN, but he was trying too. He was hardly Mr Innocent in all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
Just watched the footage there of the two teams lining up to shake hands before the games. It appears that 90% of the Man Utd team are wearing the 'Stand Up Speak Up' sweatshirts. The exceptions appear to be (interestingly enough), Roy Keane, Gary Neville & Roy Carroll. Wonder why 3 Utd players decided not to wear the swaetshirts when the rest of the team did, including Rio & Rooney. Mightn't have anything to do with the tunnel bust up but it's interesting that 2 of the players not wearing them are at the centre of the controversy. The camera pans before the last player so can't be 100% sure if they are the only 3 but the rest appear to be promoting the cause.
That's it case proven, lock them up and throw away the key......Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
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Originally Posted by Macy
of course had it been Vieria, Henry & Almunia it would have been another example of Arsenal's ill discipline and general bad attitude to football :eek:
Regardless of what happened in the tunnel, it's disappointing to see players not support a kick racism out of football initiative (visually at least), regardless of what team they play for. It sends out a bad message.
http://www.football365.com/opinion/f...y_142257.shtml
Interesting opinions. Few would disagree on the malignancy he refers too. And SKY's propoganda-like coverage of football.
United have in the past, including the players you name and shame. They just didn't this particular day. First mention of any agreement about wearing those sweatshirts comes two days after the game, as some excuse for Vieira's behaviour. So instead of him getting the grief, we now have some Keano is racist campaign beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
What a bunch of rich fcuking idiots.
You are chattin absolute sh*t. i play football at a very good level and have many people in the side who i wouldnt call close friends, one of them is even anti-irish but on the football pitch, when theres a game you all get together and stick up for one another. its gets the team going, the crowd going and is good for morale, also often puts the other team off. if you had played football at a good level, maybe u wud understand that but evidently not. keane may well think the neviller is a fag but hes on 100k a week to stick up for his teammates and lead themQuote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Agree with this. Though you don't have to play at any decent standard. You'll get the same on a Sunday morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
As for Keane, pretty sure he gives Gary Neville a bit of stick in his book, so it wasn't out of any love for hime personally, purely because it is his duty as captain to ensure he represents & protects his team mates. I applaud it & hope he does it for Ireland in future performances (albeit without the captains armband!!)
firstly no one suggested keane is a racist or Neville or Carroll for that matter, just thought it surprising they they didn't participate fully in the campaign and interestingly enough were involved in a tunnel bust up with a person heavily involved in the campaign (it's very possible they forgot innocently to put the tops on, Vieria asked why, Neville replied and hand bags at dawn took off) What is being suggested is a reason for the bust up not an anti keane campaign - where the hell did you pick that up from :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
. They don't usually advertise agreements on minute silences before a game either for example so there would be no need to broadcast it, sky did however elude to the fact that both teams would participate in the campaign but failed to show the players handshakes before the game where it is noticable that some players have not (for whatever reason be it sinister or accidental). Viera's behaviour has only been brought into question by Keane, what he hasn't said is why Vieria was acting in a specific manner to G.Neville - we are asked to believe that Vieria had a go and that Neville and Keane are angels and said nothing.! :rolleyes:
They only visual evidence we have of anything is Keano losing the plot, mouthing off while Vieira smiles at Poll and 3 United players not wearing the anti-racism tops at the hand shakes. Might not be connected at all, but just giving you the facts that may be related to the bust up.
Looks like people are tryin to start sayin Neville and Keane are RacistsQuote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
It could easly be a simple mistake in not wearing the tops
maybe they didn't get the tops before they left the dressing room...
Maybe with the arguement the didn't get time to go back and get the tops...
The excuses can go on and on and the stories will go on and on.....
The match won't be remembered for the good football and the class goals it'll be the scuffle in the tunnel....
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Originally Posted by Eire06
no different than some people starting the 'Vieira's a bully' rumour - besides I haven't seen anyone mention that Keane or Neville are racist but it might explain how an argument can break out again be it sinister or accidental.
This whole racist thing between the sides is drivel...pure and simple. There never have been to my knowledge any direct links to racist behaviour between the sides. You simply have good old fashioned rivalry. No harm....simple rivalry. They hate each other...no harm in that, and it boils over when they meet, but please ffs, stop all this racist bull...its very petty and annoying.
As I said in an earlier post the main thing that bothers me is the blatant antics , particularly from Vieira of late, on the pitch by diving and feigning injury. Cole and Ljungberg(who went down faster than a pair of whores knickers when tapped by Silvestre) and Rooneys incessant gobbing are what irks me more than anything else.
Well put.. Totally agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Yes agreed, they don't like each other at all but what may be racist bull to us, may not be to someone else like Patrick Vieria for example and 'IF' that's his reason for being upset, then he's entitled to be. As I've said co-incidence it may be , but shouldn't be ignored if it isn't. Either way, either story, it's all speculation and we'll probably never know. I for one will never find issues or debates surrounding racism of any nature, petty and annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Although, I wholeheartidly agree, in this case it's highly unlikely than any of the 3 are racists and that the row probably has erupted over an accidental mistake on the part of those players (if indeed that's what the row was about). Again it's speculation, but as viable an angle as any other!
Yeah I don’t think Man United players are racist. Their manager has made derisory comments about Italians on many occasions in the past (one that sticks to mind was the one about how find Italians so untrustworthy that on holiday he's "...always checking to see if there is pasta under the sauce" prior to a champions league match in Italy), which would indicate a high degree of paranoia-induced racial prejudice. Similarly a sizable number of their fans seem to be racist (just look at the thread about it in this section)... but their players, no they’re probably not racist.
Does anyone have a link to either a sound or video clip of the post-match interview?
tunnel incident is here anyway. hilarious.http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Un-edited%20Tunnel
Lads listen closely from the 16th second, Keane actually says the following:
"You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then" :D
In one of today's paper (The Indo) it gives evidence contrary to the opinion that there may be something racially motivated with the 3 lads . Apparently all the jerseys had the anti racism logo by the Nike swoosh. So that would be their contribution.
Perhaps?
"I'm a bigger non-racist than you.."
Correct. Have a look at the clip and you wouldn't have a need to say "apparently". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
I did give that very same evidence 2 days ago!Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
It's old ground now, but the report I got from a journo friend was there was an issue over the SWEATSHIRTS that every player wore, bar the 3 united lads, not the pre-printed shirts thay 'had' to wear. The sweatshirts carried a much larger logo on the front & back advertising the campaign.
Don't wish to keep going over this at this stage.
Happy Friday night to all :D
is that not a bit ironic, coming from a man who knows where Ireland is but wouldn't play for close to 2 years!!! :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
(sorry couldn't resist!) :)
LOL. just heard it there after a few listenings. Much as i can't stand him, fair play to the man for coming up with such a sharo comment in the middle of all that :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I see Mr. G. Neville, the man at the centre of the tunnel incident, has indeed, critisised the 'stand up, speak up' campaign at last as was suggested as the catalyst for the Vieira - Keane bust up! :mad:
Neville Critisises Anti-Racism Campaign
Any other threads you want to post this on? Neville criticises Nike, not the message.
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Neville said: "We don't have a big problem with racism in this country, you can think of probably one or two incidents in the last five or 10 years. We have to make sure that the campaign is conducted in the right manner and not done just for PR like some of the sports companies seem to be doing at the moment. The FA and the England team have always campaigned against racism very well, we have just got to be aware that it is not cheapened slightly by companies like Nike getting a lot of PR out of it for nothing."
no, just the two threads the post is relevant to will be sufficient.
If an Arsenal player or a player from any other team had made those comment I dont think you would be posting it everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
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Originally Posted by cullenswood
well you don't know me then do you. If it was an Arsenal player who said it, there wouldn't be a big rush to defend him here either, I'd imagine! :confused:
p.s. just to clarify 'everywhere' - that's infact just the two threads where the anti-racism campaign has been discussed. Posting in two relevant threads is now seen as spamming the board in some peoples eyes, pathetic :mad:
I agree with nevilles comments, Nike are only doing it as a party of advertisig. I saw nevill been interviewd this mornign and he spoke well and its obvious that he is not a racist but that he believes that this is the wrong way about going about it. This is the problem with capaigns etc. if somebody refused to take part then that person gets challenged. Viera had no business having a go against Neville for not wearing the tracksuit. Its a free world and he can do what he wants, and it does not mean he is a racist.