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It was already congested, this makes it marginally worse. No big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Derry just about deserved the draw. Dundalk had the better chances and should have been more than two up by the time Derry scored their first goal.
However, it takes great character to come back from two nil down away from home.
Great result considering we look dead and buried at half time. Thought Dundalk would've got a third and ended things but super stuff from us to get two goals. Thought we deserved it too - Dundalk did have chances, but Sava was forced into a few good saves.
Thought we made some really silly errors for the goals as well but, considering we were playing with the most makeshift of defences for most of the second half, a really excellent result.
Disappointing result for Dundalk but making 8 changes from the starting xi v Macabi probably had a little unsettling feel to the side.
I thought Derry probably deserved the draw, Kilduff had a great chance to make it 3-1, but that's how it goes, credit to Derry being 2-0 down at HT. The replay was certainly not what Dundalk wanted, and it kills the chance of a league match next week, but it could have been worse, we're still in the cup, and with the Sligo match moving to a Saturday, there is 3 days rest to that match now.
Decent crowd down from Derry and 3,300 was a a very good turn out for 1.45 on a Sunday and live on tv.
Really don't know what to make of that result. We were cruising till derry fortunately got one. Looked to me like should be a free out. Then we were all of sudden tired.
Replay but sure we were always going to go the hard way
Is it just me, or is there a really brutal home crowd from Pats for a cup semi-final?
Christy Fagan wraps it up for Cork City.
G'wan RTE.
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Thought that as well, stand behind the goal was mostly empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Buzzing after that result now.
Oooh were going to Aviva oooh were gonna have a party :cool:
Damp squid of a game, to be honest. Not that Cork will care.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Pats' fans showed the confidence they have in their team by staying away.
Are you serious?!Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
That hurt. Didn't go into the game with any great expectation, but still massively disappointing. Thought we started well and played most of the football until Corks first goal, then after getting ourselves back into it I was genuinely hopeful at halftime. It's the hope that kills ya, not the despair. Second half we just weren't in it. This is where we are at the moment as a team though. Very disheartening when you think of the side we had two or three years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The 2013 side had everything you look for in a team. I don't understand how it fell apart for Pats. There is good work been done with younger players, I've been impressed with the u19 teams when I've seen them. What impact will not having European football have on the budget though? The best players are likely to be picked up by other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Dundalk Derry was an enjoyable game to watch,Derry deserve alot of credit for getting back into it but Dundalk will be kicking themselves ,should have had the game well killed ,Sava didn't cover himself in glory for either goal aswell.
Pats Cork wasn't half as enjoyable,everything about Pats from the crowd to the players and management felt stale ,going through the motions even ,desperate home crowd for a semi final aswell.
Cork should have had a couple more in the 2nd half they didn't even have to play that well actually,if you ever needed a video on how not to defend a 1 on 1 watch Corks third ,Shocking from Dennehy who looked poor all game.
Great day in Inchicore for City. Decent traveling crowd and I thought we were loud for most of it. Pats were not terrible today, we were just a little better in certain areas. Certainly not a easy victory. I especially enjoyed Maguires first goal. I don't remember him scoring a headed goal before.
That brace takes him to 24 for the season in all competitions.
The result also pretty much finalises the European Qualifiers (though the CL spot is still to be decided). Sligo are 11 points back with a game in hand. 11 points in 5 games is nigh on impossible to make up.
Pats are only 8 points Derry and 9 behind Rovers IF (big if) they win their 3 games in hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
But I agree if rovers or Derry lose it from here we / they don't deserve it.
Two of Pats games in hand are against Dundalk and City. They have to play us twice. If they can win those games and make up the gap then they will have earned a spot in Europe.
I must say i've never seen the First Division 2016 Champion Limerick fans so quiet! There goes the unbeaten streak.
Interestingly, Cork City also lost one game in our First Division Championship season in 2011. Also to a fellow Munster side, though ours was in June so we never had any real chance at going the full season unbeaten. Limerick will be a very interesting side to watch in the off season and in the early part of next season. Lots of changes on the way I think (based on nothing but my own opinion and random mutterings here and on twitter and the likes)
Ye'll need the board to make a wise decision with a massive season coming up. There's still a buzz with the return to the Markets Field. Ye had good crowds getting behind the great escape push last season and ye had great support in the league cup final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
People who haven't been going to games are talking of going to games next year as part of night's out. Off the back of Dundalk and Cork going well in Europe as well, there's a strong possibility of getting more people going to games on a regular basis.
Going to Thomond Park to watch Munster was part of many nights out. Limerick are moving in the right direction to be a prominent part of that.
Given their anaemic display yesterday, I would not put any money in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Neither would I, sadly. I can see the season petering out big time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The point about losing players is a worry. Wouldn't be surprised to see Fagan go.
(I'm feeling super optimistic at the moment, as you can tell :neutral:)
Not getting any euro money next year has to reduce pats budget seriously. You'll do well to hang on to the bigger earners fagen . The dennehys ...it's ridiculous how important the euro money has become.
Well ye had the money and it seems a club without it will rise above ye to take the final European place.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
?? My point is that the euro money is becoming so big that it risks distorting the league. Fair play to derry this year but it means pats are weakerQuote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Theyd do well to be rid of the Dennehys. Billy anyway.
If European money was such an advantage we wouldn't be seeing poor Derry take a European place from Pat's. How have ye let the advantage slip? Was money spent badly?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Is it beyond Sligo, Pat's, Galway and Limerick to compete with the current top 4 next season?
Unless the top 4 have less than 7 days between 2 European games ye might exert influence as best ye can that games are not pushed back. Ye can make hay while they are cashing in on the European sunshine! ;)
Wow bitter and twisted or what...I hope the sun always shines for you. My point stands I think euro money has thecan end up distorting the league and believe it or not I'm not talking about dundalk ...life outside.....I'm talking about the couple of hundred grand for even one round.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
So what exactly is distorting the league? That the top 3 or 4 this season will on merit compete in Europe and reap financial reward? The only thing of recent that was even remotely distorting about clubs' European involvement was UCD's fine displays last season in EL and Shamrock Rovers this season with their relative stature in League of Ireland but Id call that more amusing than distorting!Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
No offence UCD fan!
If your objective is to stop "distorting" factors then you have your work cut out. Lots to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
No money investment from People like Sullivan and Kelliher.
Clubs with big crowds would need to subsidise clubs with no crowds.
No subsidising of club grounds for the likes of Shamrock Rovers (and Bohs in the future).
All of the above are valid points to varying degrees but my original point was that I felt sorry for Pats (genuinely !) because if you look at their average crowd basic Maths would dictate that Euro money is almost the same income as a full season of ticket sales (taking into account concessions and season tickets etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
They are a side that tries to play a decent brand of football (managed by one of the leagues best managers) and their budget for next year will probably be a lot lower meaning they lose some of their better players simply because they didn't qualify for Europe. Lots to do for sure and I don't have the answers, bottom line we need to get bigger crowds and more promotion of the league so that the European money (as well as other things) are less big a factor.
500 extra on the gate at each home match would be almost 200k in revenue....there's the only real answer, Dundalk this year and a repeat by someone next year will help.
Won't their budget be reduced the year after next? They will get the money from this years Euro run for next season. Its 2018 when they won't have that money, by which point they may have qualified again.
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Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Fair point but either way they will have a gap year, also LOI clubs often borrow against their euro money as they have the expenses involved to pay at the time both travel etc and players bonuses.
But yeah there might be a one year semi safety net, I guess we will know when they are resigning players or next year.
I hope they plug the gap Buckley deserves a bit of luck/credit
It's chicken and egg -Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The loss of some of their better players is the main reason they didn't qualify this season
The absence of Europe along with few realistic prospects of the league could lead to further players wanting to exit.Quote:
St Patricks Athletic: Brendan Clarke; Ian Bermingham, Darren Dennehy, Sean Hoare, Ger O’Brien; Lee Desmond, Graham Kelly (Michael Barker, 74) ; Billy Dennehy (Dinny Corcoran, 79), Jamie McGrath, Conan Byrne (Mark Timlin, 74 ); Christy Fagan.
http://www.extratime.ie/articles/176...1-3-cork-city/
Christy Fagan and Sean Hoare are the obvious players that might attract attention from the top two, although Ian Bermingham, Conan Byrne and Jamie McGrath are all decent players
Anyone know if any radio station in Derry does commentary on their games?
Dundalk FM not travelling
Drive 105 usually have coverage.
Radio foyle generally have derry matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Drive 105 as stated, or possibly BBC Radio Foyle. Either way, there'll be live updates at least on both of those. Failing that, you'll be able to get the dodgy BWIN stream somewhere handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Both Drive 105 and Radio Foyle will have full commentary.
Derry 1 up after 3 minutes
Dundalk got a penalty. Holy fcuk!
11- 4 now is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
I expect Kenny to mention that comparison after the match. Managers never miss an opportunity for a moan.Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickccfc