That being true then it's an absolute disgrace. Still, there is literally nothing at all surprises me about the organisation of the league anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldyouth
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That being true then it's an absolute disgrace. Still, there is literally nothing at all surprises me about the organisation of the league anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldyouth
Lack of organisation* fixed that for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Duffman
One point being overlooked here, is Rogers the best Irish keeper in the LOI at the moment.
for me anyway Shane Supples better
It's arguable whether Rogers is the best keeper in the country and I've said jokingly he's about Dundalk's tenth best player. But he has a load of big match experience, this season in particular, and is well integrated into the Ireland set up.
Not sure if the Supple conmments are just a wind up, but he's played 5 games for Bohs and that's the only senior soccer he's played in what 6 or 7 years?
I haven't seen enough of Supple to come to that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepersBall
O'Neill seems to place a lot of emphasis on playing at a high level. If Dundalk were not competing in European matches against good teams, I doubt Rogers would get a look in. The same would apply to any other keeper.
I think there is very little difference between the top 3 or 4 keepers in the league. Personally I think McNulty is better but I watch him almost every week. I've never been overly impressed with Rogers. Delighted hes in the squad though.
I'm a Bohs supporter and I haven't seen enough of Supple to reach that conclusion, yet ;) At the moment Rogers is as good as any in the League in my opinion but cant think of a really top class keeper in the League. I was not surprised Dundalk were linked with Brian Murphy, best keeper I have ever seen in LOI (during his time with Bohs.)Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
McNulty is the best keeper in the league. Rogers on a par with Clarke, Schlingermann and a few others. All are solid enough with some great saves and some big mistakes in them at all times. Supple may be great and Conor O'Malley has all a keeper needs but lets see if they can manage a season firstQuote:
Originally Posted by KeepersBall
None of them are close to the level Brian Murphy was playing at with Bohs in 2008/09
Yep, but since he's gotten fit it's been as clear as day that he can play at a higher level. Players with that type of quality tend to stand out like sore thumbs at Dalymount park, because there's been so few of them in recent years. Ben Mohamad was another one, who after only a few matches, it was easy to tell he was capable of playing at a higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
The saving grace is that Supple had already been abroad and clearly hated it so he's unlikely to move back there again. The only worry would be that Dundalk will snap him up for next season.
Not a wind up, i appreciate he hasn't played at senior level for a while, although he got a few games and won an All Ireland as back up with the Dubs if that counts, but as the saying goes, form is temporary class is permanent.
And Supple is class, different class to most LOI keepers. who while good are at their level, Supple was good enough to play at a clearly higher level and still has what it takes.
No one is saying you're wrong, just that we don't know
FWIW being the sub keeper on a GAA team means absolutely nothing in our sport
He played half a season for Ipswich 10 years ago before being replaced - let's not go overboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepersBall
True I suppose we should get our facts right, and our maths.
He last played first team for Ipswich in 2009 which is seven years ago not ten
Eh, he might have played a cup match or something.
Makes no sense Gary Rogers in the squad as third choice, he will have two other keepers there so makes more sense to bring in a young keeper early 20's for experience and possibly the future, Shane Supple may have done well in england if he had stayed he may have developed further but he didn't, I have seen Supple with Crumlin Utd and he doesn't tick the boxes, credit he has come in at Bohs and done well however he is not at an International level. Lets be hones either is Rogers or Mark McNulty and sadly they won't because if they were they would have shown it by now! Give the younger upcoming players the opportunity, they won't play but will gain valuable experience that could stand to them moving forward!
My point wasn't that Supple should be in the international squad, he shouldn't, just that he is in my view the best LOI 'keeper around at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by GC13
The standard of goalkeeping when you dip below the top five in the LOI is pretty dire, and as for the first division, only McGuinness at the Drogs and Freddy Hall at some southern team or other are good enough.
Drogs initially played Patrick Duncan in goal this season, I think two games was enough for them to realise he wasn't up to it, Athlones keepers are poor so are Cabos, especially the big fella Kelly, Shels play Jack Brady and he's okay but no more than that, certainly not a premier division goalie, Hunt at Cobh is okay as well, I haven't seen UCD or Waterford play so can't comment on their 'keepers.
The lad Waterford had in the other night against us was... not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepersBall
Sava is quality. Rogers is good but old and slower now. Bred as a gah keeper too so bad habits picked up along the way.
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Originally Posted by GC13
For the moment it suits as barring Elliot whose been injured there's feck all out there old or experienced enough. Stephen Henderson at Forrest maybe, Forde while a solid keeper is getting on and has lost his place at Millwall and gone on loan to Portsmouth in League two having dropped through the leagues like a stone in the past few years. We have the likes of Ian lawlor whose on loan from Man City at Bury, Kieran O'Hara at Man Utd's u21s and Liam Bossin at Anderlecht; the latter two have just come into the Irish underage setups coming through and hopefully in the next couple of years they can break through and play first team ball at a decent level and will break into the senior setup.
Lawlor's not on loan, he's at Man City and injured.
In Premier Div certainly Supple is leading the way, Niall Corbet at UCD is a decent keeper he has developed well from the UCD u/19 set up over the last few years. would have competed with McGuinness for a starting berth with the FAI Schools Leinster team in the Interprovincial Tournaments / International Schools, McGuinness always seemed to get the nod to start, he was good at Bray played 44 league games in two seasons although last season he was injured after the first 17 and that was it for the season, doing well at the Drogs, think its 10 clean sheats ion 19 games, been getting a few write ups too. Jack Brady I agree average, Waterford have used three different keepers this season says it all. Paul Hunt was decent at Longford and has been adequate with Cobh not playing as well as he may do this season.
I know the 21's had games which would have tied the best two up none the less there are a few you mentioned could have had an opportunity!
There was no opportunity. He was a body on the bench and in training. He seemed to have enjoyed it so no harm.
Sava is a good shot stopper but he is by no means "quality".Quote:
Originally Posted by ciaraa
He's played five games. He might turn out to be a good keeper at this level but the idea he's leading anything is bonkers. Rogers and McNulty are the best keepers in the league by some way, followed by Clarke and Doherty.Quote:
Originally Posted by GC13
Rogers is fitter and leaner now quite possibly than earlier in his career. He did give us the odd heart attack moments last season that he has cut out this season (cue the clanger moment now that i've said this). His concentration levels have improved too. At 34 it isnt past it as a keeper as if anything he has to have improved technique diving for example rather than throwing himself in to a dive and just hitting the deck as he probably doesnt recover as quickly post match as he would have in younger days. I'm not sure what bad habits you mean and I'm not being smart as Id be interested in what you mean as he has made more appearances for Drogheda than anyone else. He also quit GAA at 16 or 17 so has had plenty of time playing the world game. When training with Ireland as part of his coaching badges stuff one of the comments made by Martin O'Neill was on how he coped well and kept up with the rigours of the training the keepers were put through for a player that is not full-time in the strictest sense. I am not defending him with Lilywhite tinted specs just interested in the specifics of your reservations about him. I didnt see much of him earlier in his career regularly so I dont know how much slower he has become but he is certainly not slower this season compared to last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciaraa
Gary Rogers is a decent to good 'keeper - probably no less and no more.
While I can understand the reported interest in Brian Murphy by Dundalk, there are no other current LOI keepers that would be an obvious or significant improvement
Rogers kicking is bad though. Every match when he was with us at least one goal kick went directly out of play. Kicking when it was passed back to him wasnt great either. In general there isnt much between most of the goalies in the Premier Division. Clarke is probably the best with the ball at his feet and suits our style of play the best but just makes too many mistakes to be a top goalie. Mcnulty kicking is weak from what I can recall granted I havent seem him that much. Schlingermann is decent and a good shot stopper.
If only Richard Brush was Irish
Ciaran Gallagher would be called up to the interntional squad instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Would we be allowed to postpone games too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Only if it's meant to inconvenience Dundalk but ultimately backfires.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The only thing more annoying than Stephen Kenny moaning about a fixture pileup he likely pushed to create himself is having to listen to Kenny Shields speak for any length of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
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Originally Posted by Nesta99
Any chance of tonights euromillions numbers Nesta?! :D
Last night was a prime example of why Rogers is not the best goalkeeper in the league.
Rodgers also made an absolute clanger when playing for Sligo Rovers against Rosenberg. He managed to flap a corner straight into the net, making the score two one on the night which probably cost Rovers the tie overall.
Since coming in at Bohs he has produced better performances than any of the keepers you mentioned, very early I agree, McNulty makes some regular howlers, Rogers made one last night and against Cobh in Cup Clarke was poor. The last mentioned is better them them all - Derry City's Doherty! All based on performance - yes whether we like it or not its our current performances!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
All goalkeepers make howlers. If the new Bohs keeper hasn't its because he hasn't played enough games yet.
Yes exactly. Everyone makes mistakes but keepers are critised more.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Is Rogers the best keeper in the league? I hope so
Would I replace him with any other keeper in the league? Nope.
Exactly how I feel about Nults. Not much between the top keepers, and certainly not enough to justify bringing someone else in.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite