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At the mo, I'm draped across the couch, can of heino in hand, packet of Walkers Prawn Cocktail, and lap-top resting rather precariously, watching Liverpool crashing out of the Champions League, 1-1 (15mins left). She-Devil at work, more heino in fridge...........does it get any better than this???? :D :D
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........2-1...mellor scores...nervy last 8 mins :(
How sad am I??..........3-1, Gerrard total basta rd......... :mad: :o :oQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! You plonker! Wipe that egg off your face :p :p I was on the couch as well, but I ended up on cloud nine.
I hope every Man Ure fan enjoyed that Gerrard special. What will we be like when we actually get our full side back and sign some decent players? ;)
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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
still crap probably :D
I'd dump that crystal ball of yours, it's not working bud. It's giving you crazy kamikazee predictions of Evertons future i.e. finishing above Liverpool :D, while it has also left you down tonight, after we progressed to the Q\Finals of the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE (thats the competition that Everton have never qualified for, and never will, just in case you're wondering).Quote:
Tonight will yer final game in the Champions League so enjoy it! ;)
Altogether now.......
Rafa, Rafael
Rafa, Rafael
Rafa, Rafael
Rafael Benitez :D
Last 16, don't get ahead of yerselves, looking at the potential opponents, it'll be tricky for ye to go further, ye're not 66/1 for nothing
[QUOTE=Dillo]Eh,no that was the year before last I think yet another game where ye came to anfield hoping for a point and defending as if yer lives depended on it,i'm talking about last season when ye were battered senseless for ninety minutes,the everton goalie got man of the match i'm sure.When was the last time everton beat liverpool Dillo,I asked ya all ready was it about 9 or 10 games ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat
Anyway everton might win saturday but they are still sh!t and the pool will finish miles ahead as usual.
rOLL on the last 16 of the Champions leagUE. :D
You príck - I hold you fully responsible. At least they'll be convinced that Gerrard actually wants to stay with them now... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Gerrard shouldn't have even been on the pitch to score. His 2 tackles were a disgrace :mad:
Which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Where he went over the ball near the sideline and could have broken the guys leg or when he overran the ball and decided karate kicking someone in the thigh was justified :rolleyes:
The better team won, no doubt about that, Kewell actually looked OK, Sinama and Finnan were excellent, but Gerrard shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the third.
He's a petulant idiot and probably has the highest wage to IQ ratio in the world.
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Originally Posted by tiktok
Even though I'd support the pool I fcukin love that statement. Quite possibly the funniest quote n this forum ever.
:D
Gerard is world class - with a nasty streak. What really got to me last night was Dumphy ranting on about how Gerard had to mature. I mean what about Roy keane - he's ended the odd career with a tackle here and there - sounded almost incredibly hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Liverpool well deserved thier win last night and Benitez did a tremendous job on the line - showed more tactical nous on the sideline last night then Houiller did in his entire career. Unfortunately that's as far as they will go on the evidence of the competition so far.
Nah the funniest statement is Conor's "world class my arse" !! Ok Conor :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Loved the Sky Sports reporter last night "there used to big European nights at Anfield - afterall they,ve won 4 european cups" :)
Nuff Said ;)
Name the players. Haaland tried to blame/sue Keane, but the medical evidence said it was nothing to do with the "take that, you untc" tackle.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Ah y'know what i mean Keane always had a nasty streak and Dumphy was talking sh1te. Was being too literal there. i know he never did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I only go on the evidence i see as well - and Gerard has dragged Liverpool from the medicore time and time again. He has been a one man show for Liverpool at times - he had a fine game against Arsenal last week and as well as grafting in midfield can score goals and get crosses in as well. An all round player and a world class one at that.
I form my opinions too on what I see, and I've seen him in the flesh many times, as well as on your patronising Sky Sports jibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
He carries that team and drives them forward Conor and if you think he's not world class then that's your opinion but believe me, you are are a huge minority.
The fact he could take his pick of any team in the world that could afford him if he becomes available say's it all really.
No doubting Gerrads ability, but can you really say a guy is 'world-class' when he has yet to really shine on the big stage?
He was very mediocre in Euro 2004, when faced with real class opposition. He played well last night, but certainly not as good as what people will have you think.
Its tight between himself and G Double-ya. Id guess that the presidential pension is pretty good so I'll shade it to W :oQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Fairy-tale ending aside, it could have easily been a case of club captain issues come-and-get-me plee at press conference on eve of biggest game of season, then gets himself stupidly sent-off as team crash out of europe.
Whatever about his ability, 6 months ago he was on the verge of leaving, but then signed a new 4 year deal, under a new manager. Now he's coming out with the same stuff again. I think it's time to bite the bullet, get shot of him, and go on a spending spree with the russian millions
Spot on...and I feel thats exactly what this Benitez guy will do with him.Secretly he must have been fuming by Gerrards antics, and doesn't strike me as the type of guy that will take too much sh1t from a little upstart like him.He could bring in 3 quality players on the shedload of dosh he gets from selling that tosser.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
Yes you can becuase if you could not say it then by default you would be suggesting that the following players who have had their moments in big stages are better and more rewarding of the title 'world class'Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
Nicolas Anelka - Champions League semi Final
Steve McManaman - Champions League Final
Paul Lambert - Champions League Final
Stefan Kuntz - Euro 96 Final
Tomas Brolin - World Cup 94 quarter final (fond memories for leeds fans)
Ilie Dumitrescu - World Cup '94 (Likewise for Spurs fans
El Hadj Diouf - World Cup 2002 (exceptional in that tournament - world class my ar$e!)
you see where I'm going here.......are these players more fitting to the title of world class than Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, John Terry, Damien Duff etc etc..........
To judge a footballer's potential or ability on a single tournament or match is rediculous - it would be like classing the dutch teams of '74 and '78 as rubbish becuase they couldn't go the extra mile or win or paying 40 million for Gary Breen beacuse of World Cup 2002!!!!!!!!
Huge minority? Dont think so. He has ability no doubt but is it really something to be the driving force of that team?Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
"Pick of any team in the world" Havent heard any top class Spanish or Italian clubs coming for him yet.
Guy is an absolute **** to say what he said before the game though. Olympiacos were a disgrace in the second half.
KOH
Yes, but Gerrards ability to be world class only shows up every now and then, and rarely if ever against quality teams. He certainly wouldn't be in the world-class league of Roy Keane, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo, Denis Bergkamp, and a few others. He wouldn't lace any of their boots....
Can't believe I'm agreeing with you on something.....HELP!!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
You can redeem yourself by coming with your usual anti Rovers drivel again :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
KOH
Nah....it's off-season. Time to give even the small-minded, rudderless, Roddy's baby a break for a few weeks.... :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
FFS....Even Beckham is streets ahead of Gerrard as a footballer, and thats not saying a whole lot :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
KOH
NY Hoop, Much better than actually agreeing with each other, this arguing just for the sake of it thing, isn't it?? :D
How many EL players went to play for Liverpool, does anyone know. I knew a player called Paul O'Donnell from Limerick that went over about 10 years ago and actually played in one league cup game, having spent a season in the reserves. This amazes me becaiuse now he's not even 30 and can't make the Fairview Rangers junior side in the Limerick Junior Leagues...
I'd still play old Bob Charles from Real Madrid on my world team ahead of Cole. I actually think Wayne Bridge is a better left full than him and should be the England left full.The Argie lad Heinze playing with United is pretty good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
sorry where exactly I am getting confused with what you said here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
All the players I have mentioned have performed well in the latter stages of major tournaments and the champions league and on that basis you say you form your opinions about players - you don't consider league form according to your statement above! If you were to form your basis on what you saw from these players I mentioned then you would be calling them 'world class' for their undoubtedly brilliant performances in the big games i have mentioned and regardless of their league & cup performances. With Gerrard you are suggesting that you don't feel he's not done it on the big stage and that his league performances don't count so he is not World Class.
Sorry but when has Wayne Rooney, Christiano Ronaldo, or Damien Duff performed at a higher level than steven Gerrard in the latter stages (where you form your opinions!) of either major tournaments or the champions league. Ronaldo didn't deliver for Portugal or Utd in the latter stages of eEuro 2004 or against Porto in the CL, Rooney only managed performances against Croatia & Switzerland and as of yet unproven in the CL, Duff had one good game in the latter part of either the C.L or the World Cup and that was against Spain in '02, failed to deliver Vs. Arsenal or Monaco last year -
We were talking about it here yesterday before the match after we read and heard what that little boll*x said. He should be offloaded now. Behind all the scenes of jubilation after his goal last night there will be a lot of reds asking themselves: "Is he worth hanging onto now?". Giles was spot on last night in his analysis. He would be better off just letting his work on the pitch do talking rather than his mouth. The team will be better with him in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
This will be a different situation to the Owen case. Gerrard has 4 yrs on his contract so he will be going nowhere unless the offer is substantial. So how about this.
Duff , Parker + €6m + Gerrard.
Pie in the sky I know but it would be sweet. Regardless of whether it is a straight cash for player deal or an exchange, there will be adequate replacements for him available to buy at the end of the season.
Gerrard's comments won't have impressed Benitez and he was reknowned for having a steady ship with very few ego's at Valencia so i see no reason for him to have any dufference at Anfield.
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Originally Posted by Conor74
spoken like a true manc - he's only the best becuase nobody around is better than him!!!! mmmmm, so he's lucky that noone is better than him, interesting!! Also Pele was very lucky there wasn't anyone better than him around at the time and thankfully we didn't have a midfielder as good as Keane or he wouldn't have been the best either!!!! Earth to Conor, come in!
if we are talking about overall performances in tournaments then I agree with you but you specifically stated his performances in the LATTER stages of European Football or Tournamants was not as good as those mentioned above - none of the above delivered in the latter stages of ALL the tournaments they have been in. It's a fact that world class players don't and cannot always deliver - Duff did against Spain but didn't in the CL, Ronaldo didn't in either (still in A. Cole's pocket from euro 2004) and certainly not against Porto in the last 16, and Rooney goals against poor opposition in the group stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I just think if you want to apply this logic to defining world class players then it has to apply to all - Ryan Giggs for example is without doubt World Class in my opinion without having never really performed on the international stage or at a major international tournament and who is the say that if he did, he might just have an off tournament as can happen - would that mean he's not world class anymore?? I just don't get the logic.
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Originally Posted by Conor74
my apologies and i thought it was you who brought ashley cole and Jankulovski into the conversation!!!
never learn.
Yes and I was using Pele as a far-out example of how idiotic it is to suggest that someone is lucky to be the best because no-one is better than him at the moment. I thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
p.s agree on Giggs, definetly world class in my opinion and yes he does have a champions league medal but then again so does Steve mcManaman, Nicolas Anelka, Paul Lambert etc etc. Even Stefane Guiv'arch (apolgies for the spelling) has a world cup winners medal. Not an indication of world class talent in itself but in the case of Giggs I do agree.
Huge minority? Dont think so. He has ability no doubt but is it really something to be the driving force of that team?
"Pick of any team in the world" Havent heard any top class Spanish or Italian clubs coming for him yet.
Guy is an absolute **** to say what he said before the game though. Olympiacos were a disgrace in the second half.
KOH
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You speak of Liverpool as if they were some 2nd division also rans. They are a top 5 English team who have just qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League so yes, I think it is something to be the driving force of a team like that.
The reason you haven't heard any top Spanish or Italian teams coming in for him is because he's never officially been for sale and Liverpool, like most clubs, won't comment on transfer rumours so you'd never really know until it happens anyway.
I suspect at a price of £30m only Chelsea and Madrid (both confirmed admires btw) would be able to afford him but I'm in no doubt that the likes of Milan, Juve, Barca etc would love to have him if they could.
Put it this way, if it came to a Michael Owen situation where he had a year left on his contract and wasn't keen to sign another, I think you'd get every top club in Europe chasing him for half that price.
I get my majority from the general consensus and from what I can see before my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
As I've said, it's common knowledge that Chelsea and Madrid would have him in a heartbeat. Again, says it all really, they'll have more of an idea than you or I ever will.