I think it's pretty obvious what he meant and you've either taken him up wrong on purpose or you're a dimwit.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
Printable View
I think it's pretty obvious what he meant and you've either taken him up wrong on purpose or you're a dimwit.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
10,000 capacity for Dalymount? Are ya mad? Too big to fill or come close to filling regularly. Too small for FAI cup final or International friendly. It costs about €1.5 million per thousand to build a new ground..... so €15million! that much could build a 6000 seater and almost refurbish Richmond. Drogs and Bray as well. A big ground with a small crowd is a disaster for atmosphere and it costs a lot to maintain a big ground. A good modern 6000 would be plenty. Even at that you might have to close an end or a side on most match days...
That stand in Buckley park for Kilkenny FC is fairly decentQuote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
Attachment 2192Quote:
Originally Posted by mastershake
I do love the North Korean style myself :)
What, imaginary?Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
I agree with you SalvadorSanchez regarding the capacity, but I believe that a new Dalymount should have an enclosed feel and a finished look to it regardless. Not just a 4 independent stand ground which a 6000 seater capacity might often imply. In any event I hope that a decent "stadium" gets built and one that can cater for all Irish underage and Womens internationals at the same time.
I see nothing wrong with a 10-15,000 seater Dalymount that'd get used for smaller international games, League Cup final, Setanta Cup final, under-21 international, concerts, major events, etc.
If it were only filled twice a year it'd be worth it. Dalymount deserves it, and Irish football needs a proper Dalymount Park.
I agree Nigel, might as well have at least one decent mid sized venue. I take the point that it is probably a bit big for regular Bohs/Shels games but the use of the Aviva for cup finals has shown that stadia not completely full can still generate plenty of atmosphere by keeping the crowd nearer to the pitch. It just needs to be well designed to cope with the variation of attendances.
That metal box place looks like a prison. Funky lights though.
The old stand wasn't there in 1999 anyway, that's for sure. The Cup semi-final between Harps and Galway at Terryland in 1999 was an all open ground - it was pouring that day and I was standing where the "old stand" is now - no cover anywhere in the ground that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
Closed in corners like the Parken in Copenhagen is the only way to go. closes it in, makes ya feel close to the play and keeps all the noise and atmosphere. Parken but smaller please Mr Delaney, never mind your open corners.....Quote:
Originally Posted by mastershake
Really? I was at a Galway-LTFC league game in December 2000 I think it was and I was sitting in the stand. It was lashing down that night. It certainly didn't seem new.Quote:
Originally Posted by harps1954
That's 100%.. no roof there in 1999.
Story in Guardian Newspaper of the Bury FC owner, a property developer, taking a 1 million pounds loan out for one of his companies secured on the Gigg Lane ground. That is always a big danger when clubs own the grounds/stadium they play in.
The concrete terrace was there for the Finn Harps cup semi final in '99. No roof tho, I remember being sick and having to watch the game on the tele at home. It was lashing throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Maybe the roof came in 2000 and the seats a couple of seasons later.
Seats were definitely in by the time we played there in 2000. I remember they were quite cramped. I'd always assumed the stand had been there a good while before that but obviously it wasn't.
The seats went in to the old stand around late Spring 2000, as far as I remember. That Harps cup game was around a year previous to that so I'm assuming the roof went up in mid to late 1999
Seeing as you start off with Belfield Park, you can see some great older shots of it again in this video from 1998 -Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
By the end (2007), it had been developed to this (which I'm linking partly because I had completely forgotten taking that video) -
And now of course there's the Bowl, which is that bit better again. (Not in the league of some of the grounds posted, of course, but certainly much improved on 16 years ago)
Most clubs have a similar story. In fairness, there has been lots of improvements in the past two decades.
I never realised ye wore red at one stage? What was that about?
Away kit;) harps had white and blue away kit which no doubt "clashed" with the UCD home kit and the ref probably made UCD change! Just a guess but I'd say I'm not a million miles away!!
I thought that. But then you sometimes never know in the LOI. I wouldn't have been the biggest fan of the LOI at that stage so I wouldn't have known either way.
Yeah, we've worn lots of different away kits. White, green, yellow, black, red. I prefer that than having a regular away kit. Adds something (very small).
http://euro.stades.ch/Bruxelles-Schaerbeek-1.html
Lovely, Quirky little ground in Belgium, it's just 2 sided but it would fit nicely into a small space like the Carlisle grounds or maybe United Park.
Might have to rethink the trees and all that glass maybe....
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
You'd have to listen to a lot of whining about the artificial pitch though...
Grassmaster pitch? excuses old boy, they're the future for our league and teams will just have to get used to them.... people blaming Oriel is nonsense, Scots, Norwegians, Swedes just get on with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
the problem with Oriel is that it's the only one in the league and therefore an excuse, if there was 3 or 4 in the league boys would just get over it.... Teams train on them all the time, just need the right footwear.
the problem with oriel is that is much worse than most artificial pitches.
Those leagues all have the choice between rock hard ground for half the year or artificial surfaces. The artificial surface is often much softer and easier to play on. That clearly isn't the case in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
The University of Limerick has a number of pitches with this 3D type of artificial grass. Do any Limerick FC supporters know if that is of a higher quality than Oriel Park. UL has a number of soccer pitches with the surface and one each for rugby and gaelic-games.
of course Grass is better but it needs a lot of maintenance and has to be protected. Good artificial surfaces could allow ground sharing and pretty heavy use and you have less games called off due to water logging etc., frost is the main problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Did Bohs and Rovers not get called off over a missing penalty spot.?
Oriel earns money for Dundalk through rentals as well afaik. even Newcastle Rugby have gone for an artificial surface. I think more and more clubs will look at artificial pitches
The 3D surface in UL looks the business. If that's the quality, I don't see much of issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Are railing seats something LoI clubs should consider. Someone was mentioning the cost of building stadia per 1000 capacity. Railing seats might be an option for some stands.
Some folk will never be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
Here is a novel idea why don't people who go to games dress according to the weather.
So if it rains or its going to rain bring a rain jacket ffs
Home of former Football League club Rushden and Diamonds, Nene Park is a ground a lot of LOI clubs could aspire to. 6,500 capacity. Tight little ground, and looks fantastic, especially with corners filled in. Packed to capacity, you'd be able to generate an amazing atmosphere in a ground like that.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f/Nenepark.jpg
Nene Park is nice but I understand that they paid an awful lot for it, more that it was worth possibly. Real heart breaking story that, Great little club, great ground and well backed, they got into the league and did well enough for a time, Rushden and Diamonds are now gone and the word is that Nene park is going to be demolished soon to make way for Housing or Development, Darlington went the same way as well, established league club and brand new ground now I think they're kaputt and the ground is used by egg chasers...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I suppose they're a cautionary tale for all of us in the LOI.... nicer grounds are necessary but have to be backed up by proper chairmen, boards, sponsors, local authorities etc.... shows how close we all could be to the abyss if clubs like these can go to the wall.
Darlington built a ridiculously big stadium. I think it's near 30k capacity.
Yep. Bankrupted them. All while their old ground slowly decays. They're back now in the lower leagues (as are Rushden & Diamonds)
Both clubs have been turned out of their grounds haven't they? Real sad story if you ask me. Have to admire the people who have taken on rebuilding those clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
On an unrelated matter. Hows new finn park coming? 6000 seater is the plan and no move until completely built i hear, is this right? Smart move if you ask me. Right size and may as well get the whole job done. or am I off the mark here?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Build the stadium and people will come?! Pointless having stadia over 4k or 6k unless it's going to be filled or it's required for regular enough appearances in the Europa League group stage. Limerick don't seem to require a stadium over 2k right now.
Agreed. However harps are doing a deal with developers on a land swap for a stadium I believe. Good luck getting any builder to finish the job if you move into a half or quarter finished new ground and cough up the valueable land your old ground sits on. Harps are playing this right it seems. No finished job. No development land. Sure they'll have celtic over every year and fill it to the rafters at least once.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
I don't think they were turned out of their ground as much as they just went bankrupt. For Darlington, the cost of maintaining the ground sent them under. Not sure what happened Rushden, but I think they were never really popular, and may have been a case of cash being thrown at a new entity, and the dream just being stretched too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
That's pretty much the deal alright. 6,700 all seater. Two stands will be finished when we move in, with the two ends to be filled in afterwards. The developer gets Finn Park in return, which is worth a whole heap of money itself. The rest is funded by grants so Harps don't pay a cent towards the new stadium, owned and operated by the co-op.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
First stand and admin block is in full flow at the minute and roof is to go on it in the next two or three months.
The FAI are to have a regional office there, or so I heard at one stage anyway, so the plans are to have a few underage international games as well as a couple of high profile friendlies each season to help pay the bills.