think you are correct here second .. but anything is possible with limerick league committe ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
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think you are correct here second .. but anything is possible with limerick league committe ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
Clare league a few years back a team dropped out of league. Team got relegated from 1st division after play-off against 2nd division team got re instated to 1st division.
should be a play off between hibs and the team that finished 3rd in the division below them.
hibs were relegated they should go down And 3rd placed team in 1b come up ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Feet Up
What's your logic there Old Git ? Surely a play-off is the fairest option ?
How can you have a playoff now when both teams could have different squads.. if your relegated your relegated and should go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Football-Unites
That's just like saying you came 3rd that's not promotion you stay where you are. Play off would be the fairest option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
No its not..teams who go down go down for a reason because they were in the bottom 2.. if a team comes 3rd then they were just outside promotion and would definately be a better option than a relegated team.. its a stupid conversation anyway as you cant have a playoff with 2 different squads from last year..Quote:
Originally Posted by AC Melon
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Originally Posted by Football-Unites
promotion/ relegation in limerick two teams relegated and two promoted each season .... hibs relegated they go down if pike pull out team after league is finished it is a new season and league should bring up 3rd place team in league below to fill the extra spot which they have in the past , don't really think it is fair to give a relegated team another chance to get back up plus as second says both teams could have different squads from last year.
Suppose! But as you said you can't judge it on the teams they have now! As I think hibs have gotten stronger from what I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
it does not matter to me but your argument goes the same for the team who finished third. Why should they go up. If Pike had quit on the last game of the season then hibs would have stayed up.....Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Old git - still interested to know your logic on this ?
A team that is relegated, should stay relegated no matter what, but a team that doesn't win promotion should be promoted in this case ?
Surely a clear logic would be as follows -
2 team gets relegated, but a team in that same division pulls out for following year, 2nd from bottom that was relegated should be re-instated.
2 teams get promoted, but one of the promoted teams pulls out for following year, 3rd from top should automatically be promoted in their place.
I don't see how a team pulling out of a division, should automatically mean that a team from division lower should be promoted. I know you've said it twice, but I don't see any clear reason or logic for it ? Other than the 'if you're relegated, you're relegated' argument. Think there needs more substance than that for such a decision.
I do agree that a play-off would not work at this stage. Maybe approach both teams and if both want to be in 1a, then decision is a coin toss. I don't see why one should get preference over the other team in the current stuation.
Happens pretty much every year. The last 5 or 6 years running nearly every division below 1B has had 3 or 4 teams promoted due to clubs pulling out for the following season. The same is happening again this year.
Knockainey came 3rd in 1B last season, got promoted and went on to get promoted this year to premier. The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above. A lot of times the team that came 3rd in the division below may have even finished level on points with the team that finished second but only lost out in a play off. Getting promoted is sort of a reward for a good season the season before. Where as if you are poor all season and get relegated then you shouldn't be saved by someone else pulling out. You should have to earn the right to be promoted again.
Don't fully agree there Jofspring - the argument is the same on both sides - if you didn't do enough to get promoted, then you don't deservce to be promoted, same argument as if you're relegated etc Some teams get relegated by play-off, or by goal difference, should they get preference in that situation ?
''The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above.''
You have to be pulling this statistic from thin air, because there is no way you can back this up. I'm sure it's just your opinion, but even at that, it's a bit of a loose statement. If anything, teams on the up attract new and sometimes better players, teams on the way down normally lose their best players, struggle for numbers etc etc, but there's no way you can quantifiy this by saying a team that came 3rd in the division below is going to be stronger than a team finishing 2nd bottom in the division above.
sure the playoff would prove the point ..oh waitQuote:
Originally Posted by Football-Unites
Have found from my own experience that year after year that when 3 or 4 teams get promoted from the division below they have still been the stronger teams the following season in the next division up. I have been with Coonagh the last 4 years and we have come from division 3B up to 2A in that space of time and before that with Caherdavin B and gained promotion both seasons there also getting promoted every year barr this season. Sometimes as second, sometimes as 3rd. Some teams have come up with us that finished 4th and even 5th and have been strong again the following year in the higher division than the teams already in the division above that finished near the bottom. Its obviously not an 100% science as there are many factors to take into account but I'm going by the experiences I've found over the last 6 years in junior soccer in Limerick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Football-Unites
There are a lot of teams that get relegated that barely field a team, some give walkovers, some pull out half way through the season. I don't think they should benefit by staying up if another team pulls out before the start of the following season when a team below might have gone to the wire for promotion, fulfilling all their fixtures and being competitive.
Pike B are in division 1A anyway.
would ,n be too sure of that yet jof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Had just presumed when the fixtures came out that it was decided. Could have a knock on effect all the way down if they pull out now I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairkop
don't see pike b in any 1a fixtures so far ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Thursday Aug 21st
Div 1A
Wembley Rvs v Caherconlish
Mungret Reg v Kilmallock
Newport v Cappamore
Granville Rgs v Shannon Town
Hospital v Caherdavin Cel
Sunday Aug 24th
Div 1A
Kilmallock v Charleville, 10.30,
Cappamore v Wembley Rvs, 10.30,
Shannon Town v Mungret Reg, 10.30,
Caherdavin Cel v Newport, 10.30,
Hospital v Granville Rgs, 10.30,
Thursday Aug 28th
Div 1A
Caherconlish v Cappamore
Charleville v Shannon Town
Wembley Rvs v Caherdavin Cel
Mungret Reg v Hospital
Newport v Granville Rgs
Pike b have pulled out
Predictions for this weeks first round games
Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 0 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 2 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 2 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 2 v 2 Shannon Town
Hospital 1 v 3 Caherdavin Cel
best of luck to all teams for the season!
Have heard Cappamore B are going to be playing for their A team this season and most of Cappamore A from last year are with Pallas now. Cappamore B been pulled.
Predictions... I'll go with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 2 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 0 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 5 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 3 v 1 Shannon Town
Hospital 2 v 2 Caherdavin Cel
they have,..one of the big clubs in the country...no b team ,no youth team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
Wembley 2-0 caherconlishQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Mungret 1-4 Kilmallock
Newport 2-2 cappamore
Granville 2-1 Shannon town
Hospital 3-2 caherdavin
Boro B also pulled out along with Dromore A in division 1B. Thats two teams gone already before 1B even starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairkop
and there was Cappamores A team disbanding with there B team moving up to replace them.so no Cappamore B team either,is there more to follow i wonder.seems our our league planners have messed up too and did not do their homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Why is it the league's fault? Clubs had 3 months to find players and register their teams.
Granville 0-3 Shannon Town
Gerry Kelly, Maxi & Glynno with goals.
Great result for ye! Always good to start with a win, is maxi the Brazilian lad??Quote:
Originally Posted by 2legged tackle
very deceptive scoreline! Granville dominated possession for long periods and had a clear penalty not given when it was 1-0. Granville then gifted Town 2 goals in 3 minutes near the end. both teams need to improve a lot if they wanna challenge for promotion!Quote:
Originally Posted by AC Melon
I wouldn't blame the LDMC for it but at the same time it is more like a month and a half to get a team together. June is a write off, July teams come back and the season starts mid August. A lot of lads in limerick will train for weeks here and there, put off signing forms and wait till the last minute to either sign or jump ship. I'd say these teams won't be the last to pull out either. A few clubs just barely getting 11 on a Sunday. Sometimes that can be down to bad management of a team also though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
ya correct TG, they had plenty time ,but why would you put dromore b up five divisions to replace their A team who collasped,why include boro and pike b teams in fixtures when the whole town knew they would not field.why allow teams who had previously pulled out of the leagues easy access back in despite the chaos they caused,why allow teams who had previously been removed from the leagues a place back in them...just seems to me they do not look into things enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
Dromore: Because that's the rule
Boro/Pike B: Because the clubs didn't withdraw the teams until the last wk or so
Teams who pulled out: What are they supposed to do, stop lads playing football? That would've gone down well wouldn't it?
Teams who had been removed: See above.
Anyone without their house in order by mid-August, it's their own fault and nobody elses.
i take it then you were outraged when Wembley were afforded a 2week grace period last season when quite clearly their house was not in order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
Owned lol
I think most people were, have a look back at last season's thread, the posts were about how a dangerous precedent had been set.
Charleville 2-4 Shannon town. Good start to the season so far for town. Would be good to see them make a good push for promotion. They have the team/squad for it.
Can't see them being promoted. Wembley, Mungret and Kilmallock have better squads and it'll be 2 from those 3 to go up (in my opinion)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs7772