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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
It wasn't Heineken it was the Sins Alcohal s**t and it was only half full when it was thrown , the person who threw it was reprimanded for the rest of the night.
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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
It wasn't Heineken it was the Sins Alcohal s**t and it was only half full when it was thrown , the person who threw it was reprimanded for the rest of the night.
I hope that made him feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonred
L@nger should have been ejected from the stadium.
I guess that makes it all right so :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by londonred
agree with razor, he/she/it should have been thrown out.
I know exactly who you're talking about. He was in Kielty's near the Bastille before the game doing the very same, although most people in the pub weren't taking too much notice. Unfortunately, my (very English) missus was. It reinforced her view of some Irish fans as racist bigots. I didn't have the brass arse to tell him this though. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperDub
:ball: PP
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Originally Posted by davros
Thats the enigma of Russia, its one of the greatest countries but the problem is you need to speak the language otherwise you come a cropper pretty quickly. They have the "one country two prices" system which means if your not Russian you pay triple the going rate. Again there are ways around this but you need to speak a bit of Russian, the taxis will rip you off if you dont speak Russian, and will totally rip you off if you start ballsing up the Cyrillic and Latin ("Normal") alphabet esp. if you see a "C" and dont pronounce it an "S" etc etc. Usually you can get around these things if you (or someone you travel with) speaks a bit of Russian, the other thing to bear in mind is the people manning the ticket booths are usually old fellas who had their heyday in Soviet Times. A few compliments and nostalgic phrases and you can usually get the tickets at local rates.
It was over my girlfriend (and me, plus two other guys behind us) that the beer landed. For the record the beer covered her jacket (nice dry cleaning bill), most of her and her hair. She spent 10 minutes trying to wash it out in the bathrooms as it was nice and sticky and it also helped being a cold night so she could sit for two hours with wet hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonred
Cowardly enough to chuck a pint over a balcony , even more so when they couldnt come down and apologise. My girlfriend is actually from Germany and Ive been encouraging her to come to the games with me. The one thing she was worried about was that we would in some way be like the english hooligans ! Although we had a great time in Paris this is one of the main things she remembers. When she is telling our friends about the trip she says about how great the atmosphere was, the nights out we had , singing the french anthem , the louvre , tower etc and finally ' someone threw a beer over me at the match '
...and thats the one thing my friends remember about it as well !!
Im very proud of supporting Ireland and when we won the 'Best Fans' award at the World Cup it was as if we had all contributed something to World Football and the Irish team.
But, as mentioned earlier , we have worked hard to earn a reputation but it is easily tarnished. If someone had come down and said 'sorry' to her and the two guys behind us then it would not have been the abiding memory she has of the match.
When we left the stadium and passed the line of police armed to the teeth outside the train station some old man in his 50s went over and put his hand on the police chiefs shoulder
' relax lads , we're not the f'king English you know'
Lets keep it that way !
Rant Over.
I know this isn't really what you meant but it would have been no less unacceptable had your partner been Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by wallis
Being the small world that it is, we have the victim in our ranks on foot.ie
If we also have the culprit then perhaps it's not too late to apologise.
If you're not man enough for that, perhaps you'll at least reflect on your behaviour and take note of the disgust with which your behaviour is viewed by Ireland supporters.
I am not the culprit I was standing in front of them , he didn't know what was happening silly decison to have match @9pm and serve beer all day in Paris luckingly there wasn't any major trouble but not looking good for the finals in Germany as expect similar numbers will travel including the large scumbag element as it would be within their price range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I've an idea who this bloke is. Did he have a Galway shirt on and hung around someone who looked like an Irish version of Yasser Arafat? If so, I would associate him with the anti-English singing but not with chucking a bottle at an official. He was one of the blokes mentioned screaming TAL in Luton Airport while two members of the fuzz were having a quiet coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Normally a decent bloke. He had a go at people over the mini-riot with the Georgians in Finsbury Park, claiming it's a pub and everyone has the right to come in and support who they like. He's a skinhead alright, but without the drink he's not an ar*ehole and certainly no fascist. However, as someone said, the drinking hardly helped matters. And this is the result. Normally decent people acting the tw*t. There were mates of mine there who looked like they'd been on Absinthe, let alone 20 pints of Kronenberg. You met one yerself PP. He could only growl and give people head-locks and digs in the stomach. FK how he managed to get in. :confused:
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Originally Posted by londonred
Should he have been admitted to the ground in the state you mention he was in? Could it have been him rather than his pint that went over the edge and onto the crowd below?
Doesn't bear thinking about!
I agree, i think that if a person isnt in a state to watch the game and sing the few songs then they shouldnt be allowed in. There not making a big contribution to the team & support. there was an awful lot of people watching the game in Stade de France who cant remember the game at all. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Wallis,you speak as if your girlfriend has been scarred for life over being soaked by a pint.How many times has this happened in a night club.Some @rse throws a pint off an upper floor,your wet,briefly p!ssed off, but you get on with it.FFS she enjoyed the weekend experience,can't you just accept that there was an unfortunate incident and forget about it.Nobody was phyically injured.
Every society has idiots,ours is a substantially smaller percentage than most.
Games on the continent usually kick off fairly late, and unlike the Irish and British the Europeans do not seem to spend the whole day drinking beforehand, so it's not a problem. Also I.M.O. people on the continent cannot comprehend the amount of alcohol we are able to consume until they actually see us doing it, so even if the people responsible for the timing of the game where told that there would be a lot of Irish drinking all day it would probably have gone over their heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonred
Yes some of the incidents outside O' Sullivan's were nasty and I would not like to see them again but thank god it did not erupt into something worse.
That was my first game away from home, ive been at every home match since 1999. Im only 18 so going to an away game before this wasn't possible as the parents wern't keen on it. im not going to be going to every away game now till germany but im definetely planning 2 before then. Cyprus and Faroes maybe. 'This type of crowd' i dont think is the appropriate phrase... we are not hooligans like the ENGLISH are sometimes. but you've got to understand it's just a minority just like the english!!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Wise beyond your years.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarzan1
Sadly though, Tarzan, it only takes a minority to start it.
In our defence though, there is an element which associates itself with English football that is very organised and deliberate.
What we have is individuals who can't handle their drink and make a fool of themselves and others.
Probably not but how do you decide only once in 20 years have I seen someone refused admission and that was at the brandywell , hopefully there will be a drink ban on day of games in germany the 8e a pint certaintly did not deter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
well it seems that some EL fans at the game were wearing burberry, stone island etc. I also heard racist remarks being made at the stewardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
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Originally Posted by tarzan1
Yeah, but you can see how easily O'Sullivans could have kicked off. Alot of the Irish were acting the muppet. At one point, two French guys got out of their car and threw punch's at some of the Irish fans who were banging on their car, and preventing it from passing through. This was a minor scuffle, I think the French boys got sense when they saw how rowdy the crowd were and went back into their car. If I remember correctly, I think they got soaked with drink whilst doing so as well.
Basically, the Irish fans didn't give a $hit cos they knew they would out number anyone who was brave enough to challenge them. This was appalling behaviour. Granted a minority, and a pi$$ed one at that, but also enough to start a riot. Lets just say that the police witnessed this - no doubt the riot squad would have been in like a flash. Lets say that the French guys in question were scumbags, and they returned later with a gang to retaliate? Thats how things start, and as Peader said, it only takes the few to start it. What happens then is that the innocent fans who were bahaving themselves get caught up in the crossfire, and all hell breaks loose. So to be honest, 'This type of crowd', we can do without. They should stay at home, get ****ed in the pub, watch it on TV, and pick their usual fight that they have every second weekend of the year.
I stayed away from that perticular area and by and large Irish bar's for all those very reason's. I was told by my girlfriend who was in Corcoran's before the game that there was a few eejit's belting the side's of car's and bus's.
This game was alway's going to have a few eejit's sadly turning up due to the easy and cheap access of getting to Paris and the fact of who the opponents were.
Was in Malta in 99 when we just beat them 3-2 and there was load's of eejit's over there just cause it was a sun holiday and football chucked in, and was'nt surprised when there was a boot off with some local's after the local's took exception to having their car's nearly turned over.
I'm sure these same type of goombeen's will defo be in the Faroe's. ;)
Brilliant line!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
[QUOTE=Beavis]Wallis,you speak as if your girlfriend has been scarred for life over being soaked by a pint.How many times has this happened in a night club.Some @rse throws a pint off an upper floor,your wet,briefly p!ssed off, but you get on with it.FFS she enjoyed the weekend experience,can't you just accept that there was an unfortunate incident and forget about it.Nobody was phyically injured.
Beavis - we werent in a nightclub we were at a football match ! You write as if I should I accept having a pint chucked over us as part of going to a match ? I wish that I had your obvious tolerance.
I didnt say my girlfriend was scarred for life , I was trying to point out that the actions of one moron is enough to annoy a lot of people. There were at least 3 or 4 people on here who saw the incident and wrote about it long before I came on and said it happened to my girlfriend. It p'sses me off that someone thinks its funny to chuck a pint in the first place and even more so that they couldnt apologise. You talk as if its just something that I accept without protest - i dont see it that way.
If you took your dad / mum to a game and it happened to them I wonder if you would be so blaise about it.
Anyway, its over with.
Eh and Sherlock your point is ?? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboy
You've met the woman a few times now Dav and you know what she will and won't tolerate in that regard. I don't think that all the songs **** her off, just the ones that either glorify combat and the armed struggle or are virulently anti-English in tone. Which, I guess, accounts for most of the rebel songs. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
As it happens, I'm still wondering how I managed to get away with singing "Joe MacDonnell" at the top of my voice in the Princess Vic the day of the Scottish Cup Final with herself sat next to me. :eek: Maybe she was drunk and didn't notice... ;)
:) PP
Maybe she was, and thought you were singing about Daniel O'Donnell? :eek: :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Read the post again Sherlock, normally i'd explain the relevance of this particular type of clothing but not if you gonna make smart ass comments!Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
You wanna try singing 'stand up if you hate england' whilst she's sat beside you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Yours truly made that little indescretion, whilst buckled after a game at Landsdowne. I think it was the England 5-1 against Germany that was on the screen in Murrays. - not something Im too proud of, though think she's forgiven me now :D
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Originally Posted by SuperDub
I myself got hit by a plastic bolttle in staide de france thrown my an irish fan aimed at a steward who was asking a few lads to move a flag a wee bit. The same individual spent most of the game ranting off anti english crap etc.This so called irish fan was a skin head with an english accent sitting with a bunch of lads wearing roissc jackets who spent there time trying to shut the muppet up.
PP/Lopez/Davros - I feel that I have to make a comment about this thread because I think that the individual you think that carried out this this shameful is not the one and same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Super Dub: Sorry to hear that you trip to Paris was marred by some a****hole playing up. They shouldn't go to away trips just to play up and ruin other people's trips. Out of interest where were you sitting in the stadium as I was sitting in the same row as the individual that has been linked to this incident.
Now aside from a few inopportune visits to the gents, I didn't see this individual throwing any objects or chanting anti-english comments. To quote Lopez, "Yasser" and his cohorts were quite subdued throughout the match - infact the only time Yasser piped up is towards the end of the match when Henry tried to stop the ball going out for a goal kick to us which prompt my brother to say to me "who shook his monkey cage?".
With regards to the lads wearing RISSC jackets, the only person I recall within the vicinity wearing such a jacket was "Green Bear" who was sitting next to me - and he was in no way trying to placate anyone - infact he spend most of the match smoking on his peace pipe while his growl died to miaowing/purring noise!! :eek: :D
While the individual in mention was playing up in Kiletys and no doubt playing up at Luton airport (I Wasn't on the red eye flight back Sunday mornings so I can only go by other people's reports), there is no way I'm condoning or defending his actions regarding those incidents. However, as mentioned above, aside from being away from my seat on a few occasions (so I could be wrong about this), I didn't see him being involved in any incidents at the stadium so I feel it's important to clarify this if it turns out that he wasn't the same individual that's being refered to in the bottle throwing incident.
Good to hear that Poorly. Our mutual friend - as I have already pointed out - would have been out of charachter on this occasion, although he fits the description. Poor Green Bear. :( Who gave him the loony soup avec sugar? Yasser? As I've already mentioned, no one can bring the alcohol argument in with this bloke's behaviour because, erm, he's as fond of it as Dr. I.K. Paisley. :eek: And he has the cheek to bang on about Presbyterians. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Poorly McGrorry].
With regards to the lads wearing RISSC jackets, the only person I recall within the vicinity wearing such a jacket was "Green Bear" who was sitting next to me - and he was in no way trying to placate anyone - infact he spend most of the match smoking on his peace pipe while his growl died to miaowing/purring noise!! :eek: :D
Nice one :D , I know where yer coming from P Mc, as Uncle AKA Green Bear was in cuddles mode all day and there was no way he was able to talk let alone do a chuckyoke at the game.
Did someone give him Absinth for breakfast that morning. :eek:
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Origionally Posted by Poorly Mcgorry
Super Dub: Sorry to hear that you trip to Paris was marred by some a****hole playing up. They shouldn't go to away trips just to play up and ruin other people's trips. Out of interest where were you sitting in the stadium as I was sitting in the same row as the individual that has been linked to this incident
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Poorly Mcgorry,
I was sitting on the halfway line opposite the dugouts 3rd tier up. To be honest i don't know and never have seen this guy at an irish match before home or away and really don't care who he is, the fact is when i turned to remonstrate with him "i was sitting 2 or 3 rows in front of him" he tryed to blame someone else. i did'nt make a deal of it, But would he be proud if he had of hit any of the french fans or the elderly irish gent sitting beside me.
We have a great reputation for supporting our team but its slowly been eroded by muppets jumping on the bandwagan who seem to think its acceptable behaviour as outlined in the instances on this thread and we seem to be just accepting it.
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Originally Posted by SuperDub
Thanks for the info. What you have posted changes matters somewhat - you were sitting very close to where we were in the stadium. We were also opposite the dugouts by the halfway line, though we sitting at the last row back on the first tier (feel free to send me a pm to compare seats?) so I even I must admit it's all a little too coincidential. As I mentioned in my previous post, I did not see the incident or see him behaving like a muppet - I didn't arrive or leave with him to the stadium nor was I sitting next to him to totally absolve him of any wrongdoing - I also mentioned this to my brother who was sitting next to me and he doesn't recall any incident
If anything, the next time I see him I think a quiet word with him is appropriate as I don't think he would appreciate some of his antics (kielty's and luton airport) being the topic of conversation on the internet! Hopefully this may make him think twice before acting the goat on away trips.
This is all I have to say on this matter, however if you want send me a pm SuperDub to swap any more info to defininately confirm it was him, please feel free to do so.
Thanks,
PMcG.
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Originally Posted by Cowboy
I know quite well the relevance of that particular type of clothing, but what I'm saying is so what ! Have you got a problem with it, if so go on tell us. I travelled over on the same Eurostar with wall to wall casuals in the bar carrage with a certain EL club. Great trip over with fans of every club getting a slagging but nothing serious and a good sing song. Met a few of them the day after the game and they where talking about idiots in jerseys ****ing in the open streets like tramps and climbing over cars and throwing beer and saying "ah sure its only a bit of craic" And as I said earlier that group of casuals where the only thing between the Irish not getting kicked around that night
My original reply was to a post differentiating us from English fans, point I'm making is with these guys dressed as they were and behaving as they were its getting hard to tell the difference. One SR fan was proudly boasting how he had a fight with a Cork City fan outside the stadium before the game, they also engaged in racist abuse of the stewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
I find your statement "that group of casuals where the only thing between the Irish not getting kicked around that night" strange to say the least.
In my opinion wannabe english hooligans in burberry caps have no place at ireland games given the way they behaved in paris.
BTW if you choose to reply to this post try and keep a civil toungue IE lose the name calling
Have to say the closet I got to Corcorans and the like was one pint there on the Saturday afternoon, spent most of the day in a great bar off called Lush off the back streets of Place De Clichy. Then it was straight to the game and then off to St Germain and the Latin Quarter, have to say never saw a thing all weekend but can see where it was going from the brief visit to Corcorans.
The old 'They are there to protect us' ****e. Casuals aka hooligans are not wanted nor needed at football. Im all for them knocking seven shades of ****e out of each other, however let them do it in some big open space away from inncient bystanders and your ordinary football fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeraki
'although I'm starting to see some hooligan influence in the younger Irish/EL support.'
Docboy, thats a very general and insulting comment to make and totallt out of order :mad:
Just a comment in agreement with many of you who wrote about the antics of some of our 'supporters' over the weekend in Paris. Observed guys with Irish tricolours round their necks p******** in broad daylight in the streets of Paris and also in Amsterdam. Also has anyone noticed the antics of the so called younger fans they have no disrespect for any one. From when I started to support the Irish in the build up to the German experiece in 88 and the superb support of the Irish in Paestum ( remember that ) in Italy, there was one rule - We're guests of these people - if you step out of line then We'll sort you out,,, The antics of some so called young Irish supporters in the last game against Holland was nothing short of blood boiling - since when have they the right to **** in the stadium itself... If your reading this guys... next match dont bother, we dont want your type of support...................... :mad:
Happily I did not see any bad behaviour in Paris. But what happened to policing ourselves. Do you not think we need to start something. come up with suggestions and even a plan of action for how to deal with Ignoramuses.
Now is thw time to deal with this before it is too late.
I know it's very frightening when confronted with a drunken thug but we need a - preferrably non life threathening - preconcived plan of action.
For example: If the FAI published a local Tel# for each away game and had a strong team of stewards on stand by who could be dispatched quickly then the average fan could report inappropriate behaviour and have the offenders identified and dealt with accordingly by the stewards.
Most of these idiots would be more afraid of being identified back home than anything else.
Finally, I want to again thank P Egan for all his info on Paris. It was invaluable and after one day I had all the important pubs located and was able to give his information which I had printed and brought with me to some lost souls near Gare Du Nord on the Saturday.
I agree but we must tread carefully some of the so called stewards at landsdowne can be idiots too, causing problems where none existed
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Originally Posted by mjpcc
An away travel club is the only way forward and if tickets were limited to the supporters in the club it would have a couple of benefits…
1. The “fans” who jump on the away match bandwagon for glamorous matches only would find it hard to get tickets and therefore would be unlikely to travel. These are generally the ones causing the hassle.
2. Genuine fans who go to all the low-key away qualifiers and friendlys would be guaranteed tickets for the higher profile matches like Paris and Switzerland ‘03. The crew I travel with go to many away matches but had to book 4 times the tickets we wanted to the swiss match in September in the hope of getting what we wanted (ended up with far too many!)
Other countries that have away travel clubs set up temporary mobile offices in the centre of the cities they are travelling to and give advice, assistance etc. to the fans. They also have people mingling with the fans to try and stamp out trouble before it starts. I'm sure sponsorship for such a thing would be easy enough to get
We have one of the largest group of travelling supporters in the world and its about time that certain arrangements were put in place to both assist the fans and monitor the trouble makers. We cant let our excellent image be ruined