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Originally Posted by DeLorean
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I see what you're doing. Writing him off to mask the disappointment. I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Boovidge could do the decent thing and edit the post and delete the link as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Put Middlesborough 1-0 up away to Man City.
Boro are dicking around Man City.
Patrick Bamford: I won’t rule out playing for Ireland
Highly-rated Chelsea striker Patrick Bamford - who was this week named as the Championship's player of the year on the back of his form on loan to Middlesbrough - says he could still declare for Ireland.
While the FAI and English FA are involved in a tug-of-war to secure the international future of Aston Villa youngster Jack Grealish, there is also a potential battle between England and Ireland over star forward Bamford.
Capped once at youth level by the Republic in 2010, Bamford has since appeared at U21 level for England but he has not closed the door on an Ireland career.
"My mum's side is Irish and my dad's side is English so it was a tough decision for me. Being English, it was always my dream to play for England, but I am not going to rule out either option," he told Talksport today.
Bamford is currently on loan with Middlesbrough and his 17 goals earned him the Championship Player of the Year award and he is determined to get back playing football with Premier League champions-elect Chelsea.
“Ever since I signed for Chelsea, It has been my dream [to pull on the Blue shirt],” added the former Nottingham Forest youngster, who cost the London club £1.5million in 2012,” he added.
“But it is a bridge I will cross when I go back to Chelsea in the summer. Depending on what happens at ‘Boro, it will be a discussion we have when the season is done and dusted.
“Jose has got to do his job with regards to winning the Premier League [before we talk].”
Interview here- (Ireland bit is at 3:45, it's actually in response to being ask his opinion on advice he would give to Jack Grealish)
They're all coming out of the woodwork now :D
He was very keen to point out that he's not ruling out either option, despite not even being asked! I think it was Stutts that said he seems like a bright chap, he definitely does. I suspect he'll wait and see if he gets a chance to impress with Chelsea, which would naturally lead to England recognition. Let's hope Jose sends him down to the Championship again and we'll swoop while he's feeling rejected and vulnerable, and tie his sorry ass against Gibraltar. Gibraltar does count, right?
Hehe, I'd have to assume so; even though Gibraltar aren't FIFA-recognised, the UEFA qualifier games are still part of "official competition at 'A' international level".Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Personally, I'd like to see what he's like at Premiership level.
Yeah but the better he performs the more sure it is he'll play or hold out for England. That might be debatable in Grealish's case, but it's concrete in this case. From an Ireland point of view we'd be better off he didn't set the world alight just yet, as needy and desperate as it sounds.
Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert & Kevin Davies were capped in their thirties. Danny Ings & Charlie Austin rose from obscurity to be talked about as a future England International in their mid-twenties.
There is no way Bamford is going to play for Ireland in the next 5 or 6 years, unless he drops to League One level. He would be stupid to.
Did Grant Holt get capped? Didn't think so...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And you would be right. I was wrong about Holt. Could have sworn he played for England.
If he drops to League One level, he's unlikely to get called up anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Do you mean current England U-21 striker and teammate of Patrick Bamford, Daniel William John Ings? Someone should tell UEFA his age. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I keep hearing Ings' age but I can never process it for some reason. This must be the hundredth time I've heard he's 22 and months later I will be going he's 25.. 26.. he's a late bloomer.
I think it's because he looks so mature for his age. He could easily pass for at least 26 or 27.
Don't ever become a bouncerQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I wonder what 4 strikers England will be taking to the U21 tournament with Kane, Ings, Berahino, Bamford, Wilson, Wickham and Afobe all available. Even Cauley Woodrew has more games & more goals at U21 level than Bamford. Is Bamford nailed on to go?? Kane, Ings and Berahino are certs. That leaves the rest. Will Sterling be included too? The reason I say this is because if Bamford is not taken then that would be time to pounce for him and possibly Wilson too depending on who is excluded. At Senior Level - Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Walcott, Sterling, Kane, Berahino, Ings, possibly Carroll (when fit), Rodriguez (when fit) and Austin all ahead of him as it is and all are relatively young. If, buts and maybes....
Food for thought.
Shane Long is six years older than Danny Ings.
And Ronald Koeman doesn't pick either of them.
You've lost me now.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...uded-1.2219440
Included in Englands u-21 championship squad.
Don't blame him for taking that opportunity, but no guarantee of a senior call up either. Still be happy for him to declare for Ireland if he thinks that is the way to go in the next few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Well behind in the senior squad though with Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Kane, Berahino, Ings, Sterling, Walcott, Carroll, Rodriguez, Vardy, Austin etc. ahead of him. All fairly young too.
Just to keep this probably slightly delusional speculative thread going, guess who was cut from the final England squad for the European U-21 championships? http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-championships - get in there, relatives of Mrs. Bamford.
Excluded due to fitness concerns.
Speculative more than delusional to be fair. Unlike a certain other case, Bamford has openly revealed his number one choice but has also said recently that he wouldn't rule anything out. I get the impression that he'd be delighted to play for us if and when he thinks an England senior call up is out of his reach and, who knows, that might not be as far off in the distance as we think. That would provoke the obvious sloppy seconds attitude amongst some but personally I'd be glad to welcome him on board. He feels more English but he has enough Irish in him that he'd still be representing us for the right reasons I think, subject to passing the Stutts gut test, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
If we had Bamford's best interests at heart we would want him to make the most of his talents and fulfill his desires by playing for the country of his choice, England. If Bamford plays for Ireland, then he hasn't made the most of his talents. I always find that a bit weird when you really think about it. We want a player to not be good enough to play for Chelsea, more than likely not be good enough to stay in the Premier League and to end up having a mediocre club career. Maybe it's just me. Robbie Keane is turning 35 and we have to find a way to replace a player who has 65 goals. I can understand the psychology behind it!
Bamford is still only 21. Even if he does play for Ireland it's not a decision that is going to be made before the 2018 World Cup. Look at Danny Ings, Charlie Austin, Rickie Lambert. Look at the amount of players older than him that came up through The Championship and relative obscurity to play for England. Harry Kane is the biggest example. Bamford has a good profile at the moment and is owned by the biggest Premier League club. Why would he declare? He has ample time.
He's a smart lad though keeping his options open if it goes t*ts up for him in the future. Robbie Keane turning 35. We are all thinking about our temporality here. Just a pity we have nobody obvious coming through at underage level and have to pine hopes on people like Callum Wilson & Patrick Bamford.
I think many of us are interested in what is best for Irish football and both Bamford and Wilson would be very welcome additions.
Thread unlocked. Keep the debate civil and on topic, or it will be locked again.
Osarusan, for your future reference all mods can view the content of deleted posts.
Oh, and right back at you.
Haha!
I actually remembered that as soon I had deleted it. Got caught by Dahamsta once before!
Whoops, I really should read the articles I link to a little more carefully - sorry if I got people's hopes up too much:embarrassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
You're probably right about us being a little selfish in our hopes for Bamford not quite cutting it at England level, although I don't think it would necessarily would mean he hasn't made the most of his talents. It is a little weird I know, but I guess the ideal situation for us is that one or more of the 6th to 10th best English-born strikers qualify for us and that group of 10 are closely matched. But when you consider the emergence of Sturridge, Kane, Berahino, Ings, etc, Bamford and Callum Wilson (and possibly even Will Keane) could fit that bill exactly in coming years. Although, I will concede that it's not likely to happen before the World Cup 2018 - as you said, he's young so it'll be a couple of years before it's clear whether or not he'll be integral to future England squads.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
As regards young talent coming through, we do seem a little thin on the ground up front, however the recent promotion of Reece Grego-Cox to the QPR first team is a positive development, so let's hope he can cement his place next year and bang in a few goals. Also Michael Drennan's excellent form for Shamrock Rovers might lead to him becoming a factor in coming years. That said, it would still be great to be able to call on someone like Bamford or Wilson in the future.
I know what you're saying but I'd look at it differently. Firstly, I don't have Bamford's interests at heart, just our own. That's not to say I wouldn't wish the guy well if he turns out to be good enough for England.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
You're commenting on the assumption that he actually does possess enough talent to play for England. I'm simply recognising the fact that this may not be the case, and there's no shame in that. "Making the most of his talents" might well be having a proper international career with us, instead of a scattered or non existent one with England.
You could very well be right but for some reason I'm not so sure. I think next season could tell a lot. Like you say,Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
he's a smart lad, he might just weigh up the likelihood of future England recognition against a ready made career waiting for him with us.
Sorry to be badgering on but why was it locked in the first place? Did somebody overstep the mark?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Linked with a permanent move to Sunderland over the weekend.
Newcastle and West Brom as well. Chelsea want £10m apparently if you can actually believe anything you read.
For those of you who must have been in a coma like me, Bamford has gone on loan to Crystal Palace for the season. It will be interesting to see how he gets on in the Premier League.
He scored a hat-trick within twenty minutes in a pre-season game yesterday.
Hopefully his form can dip somewhat and we might have a better chance of getting him. :p
Available for £6m on Fantasy Football. Bargain. I've a feeling he'll be in the England squad before season's end. Note how Jamie Vardy got a call.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
It looks as though Palace are paying £8m to Sunderland for (the also eligible) Conor Wickham. Can see him playing for Northern Ireland before long but Palace must see some potential in him to pay that much for a player with 20 league goals in 4 years at Sunderland.
It's £10m with add-ons plus he's on £60,000 atm. They must see something. Apart from that purple patch during the Great Escape he hasn't done much. I wouldn't say there's much difference between Bamford and Wickham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Aside from the fact that they've not spunked £10m with add-ons on Bamford. Time will tell, otherwise but Bamford strikes me as a more subtle attacker and I think he'll go much further. Whether he'll go Chelsea-further, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat