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thoughts with his family
Good point. Living in the UK also, there is so much 'anti-muslim, etc' feeling around at the moment, it is only a matter of time before something major hapens, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by liam88
Fair Comment. Here in the North not only Muslims but every racial minority are being put down, Just like when Paddy went to England in the 1950's. Do they not realise that this is how it all starts. Thoughts and prayers with Ken Bigleys Family.
The Americans will sort it all out anyway !!
Ken Bigley was not an Irishman he was a Scouser from Liverpool
He lived 10 minutes from me....
May Ken Bigley Rest in peace, only he knows the anguish/fear he went through, a waste of a classic Kind hearted scouser/father/son!
Like they say "what goes around, comes around", their time will come, and in my opinion the sooner the better..............
REST IN PEACE KEN BIGLEY, YOUR IN ALL US SCOUSERS HEARTS M8!
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A fookin blue on blue attack, and a good Hamburger!
There's talks that he escaped first for half an hour with the help of one of the kidnappers.That's why they killed him.
British hostage Ken Bigley escaped for half an hour before he was beheaded, it has been reported.
His captors said the 62-year-old was helped by one of the hostage-takers.
The Foreign Office refused to confirm or comment on the claims.
Insurgent sources told the Reuters news agency that the engineer fled onto farmland in Latifiya but was caught.
"He never made it to the main street," the source said.
The fate of his accomplice is not known.
A Western security source is reported to have said Mr Bigley was killed because he had tried to escape.
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Originally Posted by Noodles
Good man mate
He's not an Irishman,he's English.R.I.P. Ken,but I did'nt like the way his brother wanted the Irish government to help tough, because the Blair and co. would'nt.He wanted to be Irish when it suit.
At the end of the day m8, it was hs brother, none of us really know what those poor people where going through, how can you unless your in that situation yourself for real? But at the end of the day i know for sure if it was my brother in that situation i wud do my upmost possible to get him home and away from such evil....Quote:
He's not an Irishman,he's English.R.I.P. Ken,but I did'nt like the way his brother wanted the Irish government to help tough, because the Blair and co. would'nt.He wanted to be Irish when it suit.
Ken Bigley was a everyday man just like you n me, he didnt deserve to be there, nobody deservers to be in that situation....
So at the end of the day wud you do anythin for your brother?
Just my thoughts............
Yeah I would do anything for my brother but, he is'nt Irish and you can't just claim your Irishness when it suits you. I bet he never classed himself as Irish.There just my toughts.
Sory to hear ofanyone getting killed, particularly in such a gruesome and barbaric fashion but, this thread raises 3 issues:
1. Why is there a thread about this and not about all the innocent Iraqis, Palestinians, Chechens etc being killed on a daily basis? Is Bigleys life worth more because he's a westerner?
2. Regardless of what a nice guy he was etc., he went there to make money out of the war and as such was exploiting the US-led invasion. So he was certainly NOT an innocent civilian, he was out to profit from the suffering and misery of the Iraqi people and he knew what the risks were.
3. Why should Muslims in Britain (or anywhere else) be forced to condemn these things when they have FÚck all to do with it? Did every Catholic in the world have to condemn it very time the IRA did something?
This is all about the double standards being employed by western europe and the US- its no wonder al qaeda have so much support, the way muslims are treated in this part of the world
That sort of thing doesn't happen in Limerick...... :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Good post though
I can't believe some of what I'm reading here, and it's all I can do to restrain myself to criticising the posts rather than the posters. Bigley was nothing but an ordinary man trying to earn a decent wage wherever he could, not some mercenary freeloader or oppressor of the people. Some of you want to think really hard about what putting food on the table can entail. You'll do what it takes if you have to, believe me. That and being in the wrong place at the wrong time were Bigley's only crimes.
In addition, it matters not a tinker's curse where he was from (English, Irish, Scouse; whatever) nor, in the end, that he was awarded Irish citizenship in absentia. Debating his origins in the context of his demise is sickly ironic. His family did anything they thought would help Ken. That's all. Sometimes life and humanity are worth more than petty nationalism. Just think about it.
God rest Ken, my thoughts and prayers go for you and with your family at this wretched time.
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Agree with every word mate-just sorry I coudln't/was to afraid of criticism to put it so well myself :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Palestinians and Chechens are sperate issues, arent they ? All deaths are tragic, but the murder of someone who's Irish (or at the very least who's parent(s) are Irish) is naturally going to be discussed on an Irish forum. Its like the person next door. When we, or certainly when I, hear about this happening to an Everton fan with an 86 year old mother from Dublin, who had to work overseas to buy a house, it could be a description about my uncle, my dad or me in 40 years (tho I dont support Everton but that is by the by). People are always going to take more notice of something they feel more affinity towards, it might not be the "right" thing but this is just the way news/people is/are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Also he was executed in a particularly nasty manner. His killers had the total intention of murdering him in this sick sadistic way, to most civilised people such a deliberate execution/mutilation is disgusting, the people who carried it out, theyre worse than animals.
Do you realise by saying he's not a civilian your in effect saying hes a legitimate target? I think going by most conventions an unarmed 60-something year old engineer, not attached to an army, is defined as a civilian. Journalists working in Iraq are there to make money, are they exploiting the invasion ? according to your logic do they too not "profit from the suffering and misery of the Iraqi people" and im sure theyre aware of the risks, if so are they legitimate targets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Also from what I read he was just trying to get money together to build a house to retire to and support his wife and kids as a 60 year old in an industry that tends to employ the young his options for employment were probably very limited, he may well have been forced by his finances to work out there. He'd set up businesses and made a good job of running a supermarket on the Wirral, but had to sell it up after his first wife was attacked during a robbery. To make him out as some sort of roaming bandit preying on suffering is frankly vile. He was a poor old man trying to make ends meet, executed by a bunch of cowards, he and familiy didnt deserve this at all.
Hear Hear!!
There will be a condolensce book oppened in Áras na Mac Léinn tomorrow for UCC students and staff.
Thats not my point. My point is they are in a position where they have to be seen to be defending Islam, as if all Muslims are implicated. And thats because of the prejudice that exists in the western world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
As for Bigley being an innocent civilian- he went to Iraq to make money out of a war that has caused death and suffering for the Iraqi people and he knew the place was dangerous. At least he had a choice. What about all those Iraqi's or Palestinians or Chechens going about their business in their own towns or villages who have been killed by supposed democratic countries. What choice did they have? This is all because western society values some lives more than others
Does it matter one iota whether he was English or Irish, Christian or Muslim, black or yellow. He was killed in a brutal fashion and the manner in which his fear and suffering was dangled in front of his family was barbaric. There is no cause or religion which can justify such behavior. I do not believe his death was the result of an escape attempt. His captors never intended any other fate for him then that he finally suffered. These animals have a blood lust which is insatiable. We saw similiar in this country when the Real IRA was created by murderers to enable them carry on their power driven serial killing.
God love the poor families of all the victims who have been beheaded by these lunatics.
Yes, but you can be sure he didn't choose to die, certainly in the barbaric manner in which he did. Whatever way you dress it up, you're saying that this is his own fault, which is quite ludicrous. We all have done greedy things from time to time, but I don't consider what he did greedy. He didn't start, cause or play any hand in the war in Iraq, and there are several Irish there at the moment 'exploiting' the same avenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
The man was brutally murdered by hypocritical savages and thats that, there is no other way of dressing it up.
He chose to put himself in harms way, for the money. To deny that is to deny the facts. The reason the money was so high was because of the risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Terrible that he died, terrible the way he died, but ultimately he did put himself in that situation.
No doubt, and they also know the risks. And if they weren't aware of the potential risks they are now. If they chose to stay out there, and god forbid anything happens to them, well I'm sorry I would struggle to have much sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
He was brutally murdered by people (rightly or wrongly) who think they are fighting for freedom. In the same way that the 'RA brutally murdered people in their fight for freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Are they working for many, many multiples of what they would be getting if they took a job in a "safe" part of town earlier in the day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I'm basing that on the fact that his family were originally saying that he took the job out there as his "pension fund". I was in Manch when it broke and that is the statement they released to the local news the morning it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
As I said.....murderous, savage hypocrites....wheres the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
No difference, at least we agree on something on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
What they are undoubtedly getting - if the people who used to clean up Dublin are now onto better things these days - is many multiples of what they would be getting back home. Hold on, that's not right, because how many times you multiply zero by you still get left with zero. If any of these - like the Chinese bloke in early 2002 - get killed in Dublin, because they know it's a racist place, but they still went there, then that's alright?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Iraq needs to be rebuilt (I for one am not agreeing it should have been levelled in the first place). It is in the interests of these w*nkers that killed Bigley to leave it in a kip.
Eanna, you have a rather blinkered view of Zionist Occupied Palestine. While I agree this state is illegal, what exactly have your Arab friends done to help their own people, apart from start a couple of wars? Roughly the same ammount of Jews have been turfed out of the Arab world since 1948 as Palestinians have in their own country. However while the ZOP government has taken these refugees in, built homes for them and given them jobs, leaders of Arab countries and their cronies have left their 'own people' to fester in their own filfth in refugee sites while they carry on lording it around the mediterranean in huge, f*ck off, ships. It's not like the Arab world is skint, is it?
If I can have my macabre streak indulged for a moment -the nastiest thing about the way he died was the fact that the b@st@rds kept him alive for 3 weeks with his impending death hanging over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Beheading, while messy and undoubtedley a mutilation, is probably the most humane form of execution -or in this case murder -that there is.
Electrocution -which is still carried out in various parts of the "civilised" world can take up to 18 minutes to kill the victim/prisoner under sentence. Take out the ad breaks and that's abot the length of an episode of the simpsons.
The father of Nick Berg -the american lad killed there a few months back -said his family took it as a source of some comfort that their son hadn't had a painful death.
Ah don't you start going on with this rubbish now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Surely it would be much more accurate and truthful to say that threads/posts have been anti-American foreign policy/ anti-American government.
I would be highly critical of the present Government and President, so would that make me anti-Irish?
Have you seen how they do this?? Its not like the head in the guillotine thing you see in old movies. Firstly they cut your throat from ear to ear, and while you're slowly dying, they proceed to hack your head off with a machete. It can last up to a half hour, and is quite gruesome..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
F**k me...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
This is almost as ridiculous as the fool on RTE radio 1 on Sunday. When it was mentioned that Saudi Arabia beheads and removes limbs from people, this idiot came out with the comment that "Ahh but they do it (beheading) so much more humanely in Saudi".
Whether your head is "hacked" off, or an elecrtric saw is used, or even if you get sedated/anesthatised beforehand, there is no choice in the answer to the question "which way would you rather have your head removed from the rest of your body".......:rolleyes:
No Joe I've never seen it done and I daresay it's a bit more than quite gruesome -however no-one who's had their throat cut from ear to ear dies slowly -death would occur within no more than a minute unless someone helps them keep the jugular closed which they'd be unlikely to manage themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
I've no problem believing it might take them half an hour to separate the head from the body. It's not an easy thing to do -as Lenny Murphys loyal sons of Ulster buddies in the Shankill Butchers would tell you.
One of the contributions to their eventual capture was the fact that they used hang around the crimescene so long trying to cut their victims heads off that they left loads of forensic evidence behind connecting themselves with the crime. they never managed to decapitate a single victim as the set of butchers cleavers they were using was missing it's largest blade -the one used for going through thick bone and cartilage.
spot on macy, very well said. of course killing him was wrong, but he put himself in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I wouldn't say my view is blinkered, perhaps coloured by the fact that I have Palestinian friends and some of the stories they've told me make my blood boil. You're spot on about the leaders of many Arab countries, but it all comes back to the same point- US foreign policy. The Saudi regime is one of the most brutal, oppressive and murderous in the world, but they're nice and cosy with the US so we hear nothing about it. Same goes for Pakistan and the dictatorship there.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Not since 9/11 they're not....Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
not true. they're still cosy with the US. the US might have had a few harsh words to say about them, but it still has bases on Saudi.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Billy Connolly was wrong to have joked about ken bigley in the manner he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
in fairness tho i dont know why people turned against him like that. he jokes about things worse than that on a regular basis. maybe not that regularly but, u know what i mean.
his timing was as bad as keane's alfie haaland 'tackle'
Why do people always bring Palestine into topics about al qaeda they are to different topics?
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Originally Posted by 1 9 2 8
Don't worry, Eanna will show how manage to hijack these threads and turn them into a pro palestinian, anti israel and america is the cause of all the world problems thread.
BTW, the us soccer team get such nice welcomes in central america in world cup qualifying:
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http://www.ibiblio.org/footy/2004/09...b_ajm_3662.jpg
They aren't. If the US wasn't supporting the Israeli government and the various fundamentalist regimes in Arab states such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, then its unlikely they would be so unpopular and that Al Qaeda would get support. Its all based on the same issue, anyone who denies that they're related is either lying or ignorant, or has been listening to US media and government.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1 9 2 8