Paul Jewells record actually isn't as awful as people make out.
It's painfully mediocre but it's not completely awful.
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Paul Jewells record actually isn't as awful as people make out.
It's painfully mediocre but it's not completely awful.
He'll have the Johnny Giles "Jewell for Ireland" seal of approval anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
If he's ever talking to John Giles about Irish football he'll never even holiday here. Bitter man.
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Originally Posted by John Giles reminiscing about his time at Shamrock Rovers
There was a lot of talk around aswell that Gary Megson was in the running these names are mental surely wouldnt be interested in Limerick job.
Seems like any out of work manager in England is being linked with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
If nothing else at least the club are getting publicity out of it.
No harm in it at all really. I cant wait til it is done now so we can start signing players thats the fun part of off season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Ya exactly, especially with most clubs tying down all their best players.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
ive seen a few talented amateurs playing in limerick league that could easily play 45 mins or so in the premier for limerick with their current fitness levels and what about the managers of the limerick league premier division? Pike are not the best and currently the most sucessful amateur team in Ireland by accident.... would be a low cost choice for O Sullivan I believe... any thoughts on why all the positions, players and staff, should not be local and capable of holding their own? I think we underestimate the resourses on our doorstep. its all about heart and fighting for the cause. i cant name anybody playing with bray who would walk on to one of our top local teams, and they managed to stay in the premier.
Considine is nowhere near good enough to manage at that level. He would be a really good coach to have on the staff however. He is an extremely competent coach but he doesn't have the ability to manage at that level yet. He would need a few years learning under more experienced coaches/managers before being able to step upQuote:
Originally Posted by lawman
He hasn't a PRO Licence lads.
Could be in with a shout as assistant though.
But then would he leave Pike to assist at Limerick??
and your opinion on some of our local players? And on Considine, on the few occasions that Ive been close to him during a game, i noticed that there is no mad shouting and roaring so im guessing that the players are doing exactly as he has asked them so surely hes respected by them? and all the plans are laid out clearly at training and in the dressing room pre match and at half time... sounds like a decent stragety to me as roaring at players during the game is senseless.. they shouldnt even know that youre there
thought about that too... which pays more ?:p does he have a full time job? does he need an income? ive only ever spoken to him once and that was to say "well done"
In fairness Kieran Marty Waters is one of the best young talents in the LOI and he is with bray, not to mention McSweeney who went from bray to reading.Jasom
Byrne also with Bray and is one of the LOI's greatest goalscorers.
There is a big jump from junior to LOI first division and an even bigger jump to premier. That's not to say there isn't players good enough to play premier. There is plenty of players in junior if they were training at LOI premier standard would be up to it fitness wise. What has been found down the years is a lot don't want to do the training and travel for their own reasons.
There is also definitely a place for a local in the coaching staff but I don't think a local should get the managers job just because he is from limerick.
I saw Paul O Donnell mention recently how massive the difference is in every aspect i.e training, commitment, travel, tactics, pressure etc... And he has seen both sides of it. He also said he couldn't think of anyone who at the moment could take over a loi premier team.
point taken with those Bray players mentioned, although Jason Byrne has an alegience to Devlin now in his latter years. my point about local players refered to just 45 minutes at full effort and then substituted.. i know that Pat Dolan has used that system in the past.. But i dont know if he chose that or if he was pressurised into it by his bosses or circumstances. I do knoew that he thought it was a viable opton especially if the minimum budget was paramount
Personally I feel if any junior player wants to make the step up to LOI Premier then he needs to fully commit to getting fit for it and not just 45 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
agreed.. but if these guys who play every sunday morning were approached to fight for the cause, and never thought about football as a job, COULD they step up for 45 minutes in the intrem and do a job? i saw a youth/u18 player of Moyross recently that would kick his mother/knock a wall for his team.. with a little coaching and guidance he could emulate Roy Keane.. lovely first touch and great foresight. not just kick and rush. saw a few decent workhorses with Balla on Sunday too, ( game i was going to wAS OFF,) not saying they are that level but havent seen them too often and on a poor pitch they ripped their 10 man opponents apart. left after half time but heard it was seven and cold have been 20 nil.
I think you over-estimate the level of Junior football and under-estimate the standard of League of Ireland football lawman.
Quite alike half the country in fact.
If Pike (as you so soundly suggested have a team far above half the Bray squad) were so good, why haven't they reached the dizzying heights of a cup run in the FAI cup at minimum?
Cant answer that truthfully. but have you ever seen a local derby in Limerick? Better contest than Lims v Harps/athlone/waterford etc... Blood and guts... my point being that owner of the limerick club could save a lot of dosh by "shopping local" and still survive/be in with a shout on any given Friday night (hopefully, as Saturdays mean home games only for me and no booze as up early for kids sports every Sunday). any regulars at Lims games care to disagree with me or do I just remember the game as when I played myself :) retaliate first :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
There is a huge difference though between Athlone/Harps/Waterford and Shamrock Rovers/Sligo Rovers/St.Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
Limerick have had in the past squads with players who will bust there balls from start to finish but in the end it's not enough at the highest level. One year pretty much the whole team was local lads that put 100% in every game but ultimately weren't up to competing against the better teams. You need that bit of quality also.
The likes of Sligo would rip you apart at an given chance. Results against Junior Teams and poorer LOI teams shows this i.e Mervue 0-7 Derry, Waterford 9-0 Tralee Dynamos, Shamrock Rovers 8-1 Waterford Utd.
On any given day a team can put it up to one of the big teams but over a season not a hope.
Limerick have an under 19's with local young lads in there. They are the future and they are who the club will be looking to bring through to the senior squad. Lads that are already in the environment of top level competitiveness at their age. Barry Sheedy, Kieran O Hanlon, Michael Guerin are just some of the lads from Limerick with great potential to progress to top level football if they so choose. Finally those kinds of players will have that outlet.
Honestly I haven't seen the Limerick league and I'm sure it's of a good standard from all reports. But I've both played and watched my fair share of local football, and it comes nowhere near the standard of League of Ireland. The Ulster senior league has seen it's fair share of their top players not cut the mustard at the likes of Harps.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
And as Jofspring has stated, there's an even bigger gulf between League of Ireland First division and Premier League.
you suppose im wasting my money buying a season ticket so ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
maybe its cheaper to subscribe to Setanta? I'm serious
You are really overestimating Limerick junior apart from Pike there isnt any other team in the league that would even come close to lasting with an LOI team.
Player wise there is probably 3 or 4 good enough and that is it.
good night lads.. food for thought during my 40 winks.. u learn something new every day.. wish i was 30 years younger with the knowledge i have now. would have earned a lot more in my playing days without all the operations.. say la vie... excuse my spelling
I'd take Wayne Colbert as a squad member and that's it from the junior league!Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
In terms of coach and staff, weren't the goalkeeping coach and sports scientist both from limerick? In terms of managers who qualify for it, then Mike Kerley is all that springs to mind, any others? With Connie or Tommy Barratt as an assistant. Now, I don't know any of them personally, but can't imagine that would inspire the most confidence in supporters.
Who were that back room team exactly? Dempsey parted ways in November but the rest were they just team support etc provided by the club and will be there anyway next season?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpin4
we tried signing players form the local leagues a couple of seasons ago. Many of the players have the ability but they have no interest in putting in the effort required. They can get a few quid to play for their local team and still go for a pint or two at the weekend.
Mick Sheils is gone too, if I'm not mistaken? So what's left going by the website is, the goalkeeping coach, performance coach, sports scientist, and then the kitmen, doctor and Physio.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
I'd have liked to have kept Sheils on, even if for only a familiar face from last year. He's been there for about 6 years so must be in some way decent.
I don't think he'd be missed by many to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpin4
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Originally Posted by kingpin4
I would be more concerned about inspiring confidence in the players. Every manager was an unknown or an unproven at some point in time.
For me the ideal situation would be an experienced LOI manager or higher with Connie as his assistant coach if he was interested. I think Connie could do a very good job with some of the local lads as he has a great knowledge of who the best around town are and has done brilliant with Pike.
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Originally Posted by Jofspring
Agree 100%. And I'm led to believe that Connie speaks by telephone with numerous Loi managers regulary. Suggests that they trust his knowledge of the game or of the player pool in Limerick.
He has great experience and he has played league of Ireland, he would be ideal to recruit local talent, he would be a loss too pike.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
Not for me. The 19s are there to recruit local talent. A lot of the junior players around town have tried their hand and not made it for whatever reasons. Connie shouldn't be brought in in the hope he can take back all the old players so they can try prove themselves again. The next batch of players should be coming through the 19s, with a few experienced players brought in to help them progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minesapint
I don't see why that would be the case if he came in. I doubt he would be asked to help sign up a load of players that tried the LOI before. Surely it would just help him progress as a manager and he has a good knowledge of the local scene which will benefit the new manager and club.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpin4
Correct. And very small chance that u19 players would be even physical enough to play anywhere near that level. Experienced Loi players could seriously injure a young player without even conceding a free kick. Have seen it on dozens of occasions. Jason kabai ex Cobh ramblers etc could kick a player who was chasing him and nobody would understand why his opponent fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Imo there are two players in the Limerick leagues good enough for LOI premier and that is Wayne Colbert and Yellow Lyons, there is another 3 or 4 good enough for a good 1st division team and that is it.
There already 3 or 4 young ads in the first team handing the physical side fine.
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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Yellow lyons doesn't have that name for no reason. Saw him sent off for a horrible tackle on Shaun Kell at end of last season. His type are known as liabilities. That equates to 11 v 10 more often then not. Physical means more than body mass. It means knowing how to use it and utilise it and that comes with life experience which an u19 couldn't possibly have.
IMO yellow lyons and wayne colbert would have filled the role that Pat Scully tried and failed to fill for nearly 3 years of his four year term that of a defensive midfielder who could play football. He tried, Brian O'Callaghan there ffs as well as Peter White who was a flop for us but was a success in that position down in Waterford. Dave Donnan was also a good defensive midfielder who was playing with our under 20s when one of the assistants to the senior team got it into his head that he was 24 :rolleyes: and said he was too old for the first team :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
The hint of him playing under 20s was surely a signa:bigsmile:l to what his real age could be.....
Except the fact that wasn't the case when he was at Limerick. He wasn't sent off that many times at all and he hasn't been sent off an excessive number of times with Janesboro as far as i know.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman
What is your point about u19s even? James McGrath, Dave O'Leary, Steven McGann, Garbhan Coughlan and Cian Collins are young lads that have played senior team at the same time as being underage for the 19s and have been fine in every way. so the point " very small chance that u19 players would be even physical enough to play anywhere near that level", doesn't really stand up. Two or Three of them are still young enough to play for the 19s.
Is Yellow Lions not a rugby team in South Africa? Seems like playing in the Limerick district league would be a bit of a step down.