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In fairness to Devo he has done his bit in the last couple of years with meager financial resources while ridiculous amounts of money was spent on players during Eddie's reign. If Eddie can do the same job now is open to question but I for one would give him a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowflyingseagul
yeah i think the first time was an out an out gamble that didn't pay off
Yes a gamble, but a gamble with money the club did not have or could not afford. That was not Eddie's fault, it's up to the manager to ask for the money but the board to approve it. I suppose it's being wise in hindsight but the club can't say it wasn't warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowflyingseagul
The President Mr Philip Hannigan who has also recently been appointed to the role of “Development of Enterprise” at Bray Economic Think Tank (BETT), will hopefully be able to bring some benefits to the club but will be more successful than with previous announcements.
Bray People
By Keith Ryan Reporter
Thursday March 07 2002
Seagulls chart a path for success
Bray Wanderers chairman, Philip Hannigan, has told fans to expect a dramatic transformation when the JCBs move into the Carlisle Grounds currently the worst grounds in the National League at the end of the current season.
He has revealed that he favours a design for the covered stand with a roof shaped like a soaring seagull's wings.
His preference for the radical design emerged on Monday night at a supporters' forum where fans voiced their views on the direction to be taken by Bray Wanderers.
Bray People
By Mary FOGARTY
Wednesday September 16 2009
Seagulls soar with €5m plan
WANDERERS PLAN NEW STADIUM AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT
Bray Wanderers Football Club is planning a €5m development that could attract a major supermarket to the Carlisle Grounds. The development would also mean the construction of a new stadium on the existing site.
Still in the very early stages, with a planning application yet to be lodged, the project could be completed within 12 months of a successful application.
Club President Philip Hannigan, a former chairman and owner of Hard Metal, is spearheading the scheme and has been working on its inception since December. A scale model and pictures will be ready by next week.
Mr. Hannigan has been involved in negotiations with a well-known tenant and hopes to conclude those and make an agreement before releasing the name of the company. ‘The proposal will include a number of small retail outlets and one large shop as well as 80 parking spaces,’ he explained.
He said that the development is by the club itself not an outside investor and will enhance both the town of Bray and the future of the club itself. ‘Plans were presented to the board two weeks ago as well as to employees and the supporters club, all of whom are generally happy with the move, said Mr. Hannigan.
Were you going to suggest this to someone at the club? I don't mind doing it but it would probably have more weight coming from someone they actually know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
I reckon the idea of having a load of uni student minions putting together the advertising campaigns, getting publicity out there, organising events and promotions could be a win-win. Unfortunately I doubt UCD would get on board, seeing as they already have an LOI team and all, maybe DIT, or even Trinity.
What about Pat Devlin throwing a few quid into the club from the money he makes out of the English game from the Irish players he sends over from the Irish leagues? He could easily stump up 100k to build a new clubhouse for the club.
Looks like the club got £60,000 for Pierce Sweeney which is €75,000. Which is a large windfall for a club like Bray.
http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=114909
I think our net spend is even less at 3.26M.
We have added the following to the squad:
Garath McCleary – from Notts Forest (Championship) on a Bosman free transfer
Pavel Pogrebnyak – from Stuttgart (Bundesliga) on a Bosman free transfer
Danny Guthrie – from Newcastle (Premier League) on a Bosman free transfer
Pierce Sweeney – from Bray Wanderers (Ireland) for a fee of - £60,000
Nicky Shorey – from West Brom (Premier League) signed on a free transfer
Adrian Mariappa – from Watford (Championship) signed for a fee of - £2,500,000
Chris Gunter – from Nottingham Forest (Championship) signed for a fee of £2,300,000
Stuart Taylor – from Manchester City (Premier League) signed on a free transfer
But we sold Mattieu Manset (aged 22) – sold to FC Sion (Swiss Premier) for a fee of £750,000
Michail Antonio (aged 22) – sold to Sheffield Wednesday (Championship) for a fee of £850,000
Net spend £3,260,000 and we most likely got another £800K sell on fee for Gylfi on top.
Having said that Guthrie, Pog and McCleary all look like great signings - so who cares if we did it on the cheap.
He could probably do that, but there's no reason he should have to. Do you give huge chunks of your own personal money to the club as a gift?Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
I can think of three or four people who did give huge chunks of their personal money to the club as loans only to be shafted later by the club. Its a story waiting to be told. Stay tuned.
No i wouldn't have the money to waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Lets take stock. Where to now for Bray Wanderers?
We have had valuble contributions and suggestions.
We have uncovered share ownership issues.
Peader1987 would like to approach the club.
Quote: ‘I don't mind doing it but it would probably have more weight coming from someone they actually know’
Albatross has uncovered two development plans in the past that came to nothing.
We have talk and suggestions of a New Club house, and we have suggestions of Third Level marketing getting involved to draw up a Business Marketing Plan.
The club should consider how to put the Reading transfer money to use.
We have suggestions of a member of the supporters club joining the board.
How about a group of Concerned Bray Supporters (CBS)to meet with the board in an open forum, to get ideas for the future, and to use some of the ideas put forward.
Perhaps the supporters can join Mr Hannigan to bring his previous ideas to fruition.
Any takers on this?
Concerned Bray Supporters
Isnt is supposed to be about the supporters in the first place but are there any supporters for this club to turn up for any meeting. Still worth a try. Book a room in the Royal Hotel for an open forum but would anybody come?
You'd only need 5 or 6 people to physically be there. They could relay questions, suggestions and concerns from other people that had been sent in by email or twitter. If you could set up a gmail account, post a few posters around town saying to email anything to that, collate and filter them, and put the questions to the board. It would also help to ask a few randomers in the street what their opinion of the club was, and what it would take to get them through the gates and involved. That's the sort of thing the university minions would be able to do if they ever get established.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
Peader1987, great idea, and it should be developed.
Perhaps the local hotel would donate the room FOC as a gesture of support.
Did anyone hear or see the Study/Thesis by a group of students (either DIT or DCU) that looked at expanding the LOI to the US and Irish Diaspora. Should be published, if we can find it.
I understand it was a very detailed report/study and along the lines of what you suggest.
They have oooodles of energy and ideas. Lets tap it for Bray.
Perhaps these guys could attend such a public meeting.
Any more ideas to develop this blue print document for a Strategic Business Plan for Bray?
I was involved in a strategic review for Harps a couple of years ago and spoke to a lot of clubs on both sides of the border. If any of you are interested in having a read of it drop me a PM with your email address.
Nice idea lads but BW directors will never attend a public forum in case they have to face any questions on their performance. The only plans they have for the future is more of the same where Devo can use the place to scout for his next young talent and transfer fee and the rest can hang in there with no plans only to survive any way they can. Very sad.
Well said. Thing is though that he has already and has done for many years invest in the club. He also takes no wage from the club, not many people know that and slate him but the bloke has Bray in his blood and only wants what is best for the club at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Just in relation to the last post. The club called a meeting with about 30 supporters last November/December, the supporters to help do everything for the club. It was to talk about what a bad state the club was in and that if things didnt get better they would have to hold a general public meeting in Bray. Thankfully the club got anew sponsor on board and it didn't get to that stage. But it is just constant fire fighting and until they sort it out behind the scenes then we can't move forward IMO.
If you want to pla an open Wanderers fans meeting then you need to let people know about it, and sharpish !!!!!! once the season is over people tens to but LoI on the back burner and won't attend if its a month or so after the season. I'd be pretty sure one of the hotels would offer you a room free of charge. You just need to get a group of people together to plan and run it. No point is just asking people to turn up and have a bitching session, it needs proper structure and someone to lead it from the begining
Roo69. In my opinion you are right, and you are the man. Perhaps you could put your good self forward to harness a public meeting. Perhaps the Royal would gladly give over a room.
You are right, it should NOT be a bitching session, and to do that you should have clear agenda from the start, and perhaps use this to build up ideas.
You need to look at short term plan (season 2013) and Longer Term strategic plan (perhaps 3-5 years) that would include Stadium Development. You should take on board some of the suggestions made, such as getting a Third Level group involved to help shape the plan. The BTC needs to be on board, and you also need to run the idea of a Supporter joining the board.
Perhaps you could consider asking the President of the Club to join you at the meeting, as he seems to have had some contacts in the past on development ideas.
Any other ideas on how this could be shaped and driven?
Over to you all!!!!
A strategic plan was prepared for Bray Wanderers in 2009/2010 but a bit like a Government report it just gathers dust on a shelf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I've tried with stuff like this before without success so i wouldn't be willing to put myself forward, i have feck all free time with work and helping run my own football club. I would guarantee that if this was to go ahead that the club/directors would attendQuote:
Originally Posted by Dove
Here is a link to that plan for Wanderers, done by the then Finance Director, wonder what happened to him?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bno5lz
This was part of the strategic document that was producedQuote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
LONGER TERM VISION
Building on the short term objectives outlined in this document, the Club has a longer term vision of what we should strive to achieve beyond 2012.
- Bray Wanderers fielding a predominantly Wicklow/ South County Dublin side in the League of Ireland capable of winning the Premier Division by the year 2016.
- Bray Wanderers being a consistently successful and top football club in Ireland, representing the country regularly in Europe.
- Have a new Stadium and a Soccer Centre of Excellence, with pacification from all soccer bodies in the County, where all participating young players will aspire to playing with the Senior Soccer Team.
- Have the Club and new facilities as a vibrant and key focal point for the community
- Bray Wanderers should be widely recognized as among the best run and most progressive in the country.
- Bray Wanderers should attain and maintain a strong financial position and be able to make a positive contribution / return to the community.
- Bray Wanderers should provide leadership and strong support to a Wicklow Football Development Partnership.
I hope he meant 'participation from all soccer bodies' instead of 'pacification from all soccer bodies', still given the problems between BW and Joeys you just neveer know it might need pacification.
Microsoft grammar and spell check didn't work in this case although it could have been a Freaudian slip too.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
Where to now for Bray Wanderers?
It would appear they are going to Bray District Court, although not quite yet. Tomorrow's case has been postponed again but I suppose it's a matter of watch this space.
What the ffff, who is going to court with BW, don't they know they havn't got a snowballs chance with them
What about the Albatross as a leader, seems to know more about the running of the club then anyone else on this forum or maybe there would be a conflict of interest ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Good idea, for leader for the revolution. What about the staff of Wanderers who must be following this debate, what do they think they are doing on the job, running to court wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain2007
I second Roo69 for this role. His undoubted love and passion for all things Bray Wanderers make him the outstanding candidate for this role.
Roo's already done plenty for the club. It would be fantastic if he would take on something like this, but it's fair enough that he's reluctant to.
I think the club should have regular fans' forums, to be honest. There are 30,000 people in Bray, 130,000 in Wicklow. There are bound to be hundreds of great ideas knocking around there, it would be foolish of the club not to use a free resource like that.
On the person to take charge of this, obviously I'm not really ideal, I think it needs someone who the board can actually put a face to, but I'm in, and happy to do whatever I can from this side of the Irish Sea.
Nice idea but Roo and Albatross would be wasting their time. I hear on the grapevine that there has been a lethal purge in BW over the past few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
The Slevins have gone.
The financial controller and company secretary have gone.
Other directors have gone.
A group of investors have gone.
And no statement from BW on any of this.
It is hard to imagine that all these people were doing bad things in Wanderers.
When you loose so many people in a short period of time from a club you could rightly guess that something has happened to set off this reaction and that someone there is pulling the strings and dictating how the ship is going to be run. Hard to look at the funny side of it but that is one big lot of people who ended up blindfolded and walking the gangplank.
I'm in complete agreement with you, I am an outstanding candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
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Originally Posted by Roo69
Roo69, go for it. To take a line from WW1, 'YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU'
The only one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
i'm going to the arctic circle next month , i could look for a roman abramovich type
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Originally Posted by lowflyingseagul
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Originally Posted by starryknight
I wouldn't go there an oligarch type appears to be running the show, everyone obeys or gets sent to Siberia and the train is already full.
Have the Slevins 100% gone? I heard awhile back that they planned to leave alright but heard nothing since. I do know they had become sick and tired of funding Bray. Totally understandable when they have families to support while certain other person/s have hole/s burning in their pockets but are way cuter than foxes to part with it for the love of Bray.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
I am looking for a copy or two for the Bray Wanderers v Reading match programme from 2 Sept 2012..Anyone with a spare copy please ?
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Originally Posted by KK77
I agree 100% with your comments. The Slevins have been among the greatest contributors to Wanderers. No individual has given more time, commitment, encouragement, fundraising and money than then they have. They kept the balance in the place and brought in new life and funds just when the club needed it. But believe it or not some people resented what they were doing with the club.
On a different topic. Here is a short imaginary exercise for you lads and lassies reading this forum to give your opinion on.
Imagine you are running a small football club.
You love the club and you will do anything to see it continue.
But there are ongoing money problems in the club. Somehow every time you look at the books there are always more costs than income.
You are given an offer from someone. It is a promise (only) to sort out the money problems for the club but to get this you must shaft some of your friends (Lets say in this fantasy you will have to set up your friends to loose something that cost then a lot).
Ok what are you going to do. Here are your possible options.
A. Shaft the friends and maybe get the promise to finance the club delivered.
B. Keep the friends and run the risk of the club going bust.
And there is one other option:
C. Keep the friends and expose the manipulator.
Just throwing it out there for you all to give a vote on.
Churchtownroad - try the club for a copy of the programme, there might be a bunch lying in a cornor there.