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Messi isn't a number 9 forward, you do know the difference right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I'm a Bayern supporter and even I'd take Ibra over Gomez without hesitation. I'd imagine any neutral would laugh at the idea of it even being a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Just happenstance that he's been the POTY at Serie A in his last 3 seasons there?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
So Messi's sh*t now?
And don't know any Bayern fans who'd want him...
Too much trouble. Plus Gomez has gone sh*te...
The five consecutive titles is just a coincidence? Would be more, except the two Serie A wins in 2004/05 and 2005/06 were revoked after the match fixing scandalQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
What are you on about? You don't seem to understand that Messi is a striker and not a forward, are you actually drunk or something you're talking a load of crap and making zero sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
You're even contradicting yourself on the Bayern part, you're saying no Bayern fans want Ibra and then also saying that their forward Gomez is "sh*te", the two statements sort of contradict each other. And frankly every team in the world that isn't Barca or Real would do anything to get Ibra, he makes most peoples World XI dream teams as the number 9. (At least since Villa's injury and dropping)
You shouldn't comment on players you know nothing about, because that's frankly embarrassing. Try watching something that isn't on Sky for a change, might broaden your outlook.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Anyone who wants to argue against the absolute quality of Zlatan Ibrahimovic deserves to be named and shamed. He's one of the best in the world and is also a scorer of too many great goals. Just because he never played in England...
Good for him, read that didnt you?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
You love your stats Tets, clarence seedorf/c karembau anybody?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Paul mcgrath won diddly squat - probably rubbish?
(sorry cant get the multiquote to work, apologies)Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Tsk what a stupid comment:rolleyes: Are you his manger or what?
Dont have Sky by the way, like to go to games instead:D
I think you'll find Paul McGrath won a diddly FA Cup and a diddly League Cup, as well as PFA Player of the Year, the latter two when he was operating with approximately 0 knees.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
I thought anyone that claims to know a little about football knew that Ibrahimovic is the most lauded player ever in the Serie A - and that would not need to be mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
That someone would make an absurd claim that "He had one great tourno in the Euros - and that's it", is clearly not at the races ;)
Class act. We better not be giving up anything scrappy around the edge of the box.
We had the same worries about Berbatov though. Ibrahimovic is a world class player but he blows hot and cold. He can carry an entire team on his own (Inter's two-leg loss to Man United a few years back for example) but, perversely, I think he is less effective when he's surrounded by a "team". He excels when he is the star and the focal point, which is why I think he struggles to get his best form for Sweden where everybody works for one another rather than just him.
It's a long time since he struggled for Sweden, he is the focal point for them and the team is built around him there in the free role
Ah, ok. I haven't really seen Sweden for a few years so I thought that's how it still was.
Regardless, I'd prefer a Sweden without Ibra than with.
He did have a good tourno, thats undeniable, but i cant ever remember him doing it in club football, near the handy end of the CL?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
i dont know whats happening in serie a, but then who does over this side of the world?
Really? Wow, cant remember that one,, Im guessing it was with utd early on then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yeah, it was 1985, when Norman Whiteside scored the winner and Kevin Moran was sent off.
Bit too early for me then as i was just a nipper. Point stands some players have a big trophy cabinet while Paul Mcgrath and others should have more (for whatever reasons), but Mcgrath was consistently good all through his career unlike Zlaton Imbra, who (as u mentioned) was/is hot and cold, and despite what some here think he has many critics (Alan Hansen for one) and he does divide opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
i have also heard that there is a stat (loathe as I am to use them!) that Sweden actually get better results without him on the team? True?
Was McGrath not also hot and cold? He wasn't just turfed out of Old Trafford because of his alcoholism.
That was pretty much it, was it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Then why was he released and Bryan Robson wasn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Bryan Robson was the English captain. Paul McGrath was a drunk, black Irishman.
Perhaps he wasn't on such good terms with Ferguson. Stam, Beckham and van Nistelrooy could tell you that severely limits your time at Old Trafford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Perhaps there was a bit of that, but I think it was more a basic decision that Robson was vital to the team despite his drinking and McGrath was dispensable. I have no doubt that Ferguson would have kept McGrath if he'd thought he was worth the effort, but he didn't. And he's since gone on record and said it's the biggest mistake he's made, not recognising McGrath's talent.
I've also heard him say that selling Jaap Stam was his biggest mistake, and not signing Paul Gascoigne was his biggest mistake.
I think it was more that Ferguson thought McGrath's knees were so crocked that he only had a couple of seasons left in him anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
He's right about PMcG.
And my Swedish pal (former sports editor of "Aftonbladet") says Ibra's as 'good' as Rooney, just not as fat...
Whilst laughing.
So clearly the best striker in Europe then...
:)
Swedish media agenda...
(former... :) )
I don't remember Paul McGrath doing it in the handy end of the CL/European Cup. But for a player who has done nothing in Europe, Zlatan seems to have scored 31 goals in 94 games, and got 17 assists. How he did that while being totally useless, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
The ban on English teams in Europe didn't help Paul's chances to play in Europe or be involved at the business end of same.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
Thats my point!
Mcgrath was pretty much brilliant anytime I ever seen him play! For whatever reasons (dodgy knee, drunk, bad luck) he never did get that far.
Dont care about stats. - Rather your own insight from games he played and you watched?
Remember, David May once won a European Cup!
so is Ibrahimovic a good player or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Good undoubtedly, but questionable if the 'best' in Europe...
Let alone the world, FFS!
who was claiming he was the best in Europe? He's probably Sweden's best player, definitely their main goal threat and one of the players I'm most nervous about facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I've seen Ibra a good few times, and he's looked sharp for the majority of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Not caring about stats is pretty narrow-minded. Stats don't and won't tell you everything, but they're a fairly good indicator of performance. Like the stats regarding Stewart Downing's goals and assists last season. He was just as bad as they indicated.
Let's just say, 'a few eejits'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Over rated - certainly not going to get on the barca team for example:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I disagree as you can virtually prove anything with stats - Could argue that Downing got better stats than X,Y and Z player, yadda yadda.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
Do you know any player that was signed on bare stats alone?