They were in big trouble a few years ago. got themselves out of immediate danger though pretty quick, fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
In this league, every team is potentially weeks away from disaster... except UCD.
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They were in big trouble a few years ago. got themselves out of immediate danger though pretty quick, fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
In this league, every team is potentially weeks away from disaster... except UCD.
Pats are probably unique in this league as they had a genuine millionaire sugar daddy as opposed to an endless mesh of bank loans, and he left the club without a stack of debt in spite of his own losses.
Does Kelleher still own Pats ? A very interesting guy into films now along with religion, but of course his property business is totally bust so would the banks (Anglo-Irish mostly) not have a claim on Pats and Richmond Park ?
Think the big trouble they were in was Kelleher ceasing to bankroll the team. Dramatically cut the wage bill a couple of years back letting most of the squad go.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Pats appear the most stable club in LOI (hardly a major achievement) and have no rental commitments or historical liabilities. Their persistent refusal to win anything in recent years has also saved them a fortune in polish :o
If you were a bank manager would you want Richmond Park?Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Kelleher does own the club. The banks could conceivably force him to sell the club but they would have no claim on the club itself or the ground.
Yes he still owns the cub but no the banks can't get their hands on the club or the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Few things...
I know Bohs budget because I was told by someone who should know. I know what some players are on at a variety of clubs, including Pats (because I either know them, or know mates of theres).Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I've heard rumours about every club, much like yourself I'm sure. I have never claimed to know Pats budget (this season) either btw
Well thats just it. Can only go on waht I've seen. Dundalk beating Derry was a massive shock to me, as I couldn't see where Dundalk would get goals. I've no doubt some Bohs fans have similarly poor views on pats as we were awful against themQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Still chairman. He has plenty of companies. Without getting too much into it, Pats can't really be touched, and Richmond Park certainly can't. Not an ideal situation for him, but some of his companies still very profitable (others are gone completely)Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
That bleeding Leinter Senior Cup will kill us...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Is the ownership of the ground/club in a trust so that Kelleher can't sell it ? Who runs the club and who are they answerable to ?
I suppose the "genuine millionaire" may not have to return the money he got out from Anglo-Irish Bank as the irish state has already kindly put up the dosh to cover losses in said bank. Now if only the Swiss people could only cover Zurick Bank for their loan to Bohs we would all be sorted.
yes(ish)/no. paid employees, answerable to KelleherQuote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Hopefully. Does that make us 'the club of the people'?Quote:
I suppose the "genuine millionaire" may not have to return the money he got out from Anglo-Irish Bank as the irish state has already kindly put up the dosh to cover losses in said bank.
Wasn't Kelleher trying to build apartments around Richmond a couple of years ago? It's all moot now because I don't think anybody would dream of buying Richmond for any kind of residential building nowadays.
Kelleher owns and chairs Pat's through a company called Newtonheath, presumably named after the old Manchester United: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...308796081.html
No, the idea was that a new stadium on the grounds of St Michaels Flats could be finded by apartments there (and helped by sale of Richmond). it was pretty complicated, and as you say, completely moot now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Newtonheath has been the company behind Pats since the early 90s. He, and his wife, bought 100% of the shares in Newtownheath.Quote:
Kelleher owns and chairs Pat's through a company called Newtonheath, presumably named after the old Manchester United: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...308796081.html
I know it doesn't make much mterial difference but he bought the company, rather than set up a company to buy Pats (if that makes sense?). The name of the company wasn't his choice (although as everyone can see he has appaling taste in company names so it could've been worse...)
Dodge, I heard from someone inside SDCC last year that they were to make approaches to Pats about the possibility of becoming tenants in Stade de Robbie Keane, Tallaght.? Hear anything?
Ive heard it said before that our gate account for one-third of our annual budget. Seeing as Pats crowds last season were about 1,200 average and they now have the 3rd largest budget in the league does Kelleher still stump up large amounts of money?
Have Pats ever been owned by members/fans say like Bohs, Sligo and recently Cork and Shamrocks. Is it better for League of Ireland clubs to be owned by a millionaires who can make decisions quickly rather than having to consult with others who may be just fans ? Both I suppose both types of ownership have advantages and disadvantages
Pats have nearly always been run/owned by members/volunteers. Last 20 years is different
No approach from SDCC as far as I know
BTW little throw away line from Kenny Cunnningham on MNS tonight; 'Dundalk's management wage bill must b more than their player bill... he's the 4th different coach to speak to us..."
Or similar
What would MNS be without snide comments about Dundalk FC. I was wondering how they would cope as we were playing away and they didn't have the pitch to bitch about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I wonder who the four coaches who have spkken to MNS are? Perhaps Cunningham can enlighten us?
McCaffrey has John Whyte and Darius Kearins as assistants, two good young coaches. Hats off to Johnny Mac, he showed some class in coming to Whites defence after Cunningham's put-down.
What would be the point club investing in young players without having good coaching staff?
I thought that idea was discussed some years back as an alternative to development of St Michaels House ? met with very strong resistence from fans then so could not see it being a runner now (nor would I see any great demand for Richmond as a development site, therefore little need to move Pats). Shels/Bohs (gulp) both likely to be looking for new ground in next few years:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I would have said somthing in an mns thread but as there wasnt one i didnt bother but.. After a humiliating 6-0 drubbing McCaffery refused to talk to the media and i can understand why believe me it was that bad!!! It happens - Mike Phealan , David Platt etc have done the media leg work after EPL matches. Darius spoke on behalf of the management but if Con commented once he said it a number of times that McCaffery was out of order and obligated to speak, it irked me so i'm sure McC was peeved even more so. He refuses to entertain MNS as a result the following week and they make an entire analysis out of it (first oppertunity to get a message across to players?? B@llix!)
I doubt McCaffery will be speaking to MNS Friday night either now. Kenny Cunningham's snide comment at the end was unbeffiting of him as the vastly superior pundit since MNS's inception! As WH said, the manager has 2 assistants, Whyte has been a player and subsequently an underage coach at the club for over a decade, Kierans was assistant the previous season and provided some (if little) badly needed continuity. Add Dermot O'Neill as goalkeeping coach and Martin Connolly, who has overseen a lot of underage successes and you have a fairly complete coaching set-up.
5 coachs is not many considering the player footfall at Dundalk FC, the Barry Kehoe School, Emerging talent programme, underage teams, Ladies, and Senior squad, hosting and visiting schools and more!
There wasnt any MNS comment from Roddy so apart from the extratime stuff i wonder why considering the result.
I don't think Kenny Cunningham was being snide, he was just making a joke. And it is weird that a manager would be sending an assistant out to do interviews unless he has the hump over something.
The 'hump' was losing 6-0 in a completely inept display. We hardly talked on the way home in the car apart from the odd grumble about the gutless performance. Hump 2 was complaining about an assistant conducting the post-match interview. Hump 3 was last nights analysis which may perpetuate the situation. It would be nice if McCaffery was the bigger person (no sniggering) and took the interview on Friday
How many times has Keith Long done the post match on behalf of Pat Devlin, I can think of a couple of times last year and once (I think) this. Don't see the fuss in it, however this being the LOI there could be any number of things going on behind the scenes. Having watched KC's aside, I don't think there is a bad element to it, just a joke that was going to pee off any scaldies after the loss.
Relax lads (ie all the Dundalk fans who thanked this post) I think Cunningham was just joking. Jeez, there was nothing snide about itQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Dodge in the context of the previous 'analysis' on McCafferys postmatch disappearing acts, if KC was only joking and not having a pop like others, the exception being PM, well its timing just made him look like he was jumping on Con's bandwagon. Id actually like to know exactly what the contactual obligations referred to are in more detail.
Anyway us worried and stressed DFC fans are likely to be very touchy over the next while - MNS bashing is a great way to vent!
You're over thinking it. And yep, Con's an @rseQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
In today's sun apparently that Dundalk's budget to be cut by 25%, with the majority of cuts at coaches level. haven't read it myself. Anyone know more?
It was mentioned yesterday on local radio that 2 players and 2 coaches would be cut. Quite how they can sut contracted players is questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Gerry Matthews has resumed management control (though some fans question whether he ever relinquished it) and said expenditure was starting to get out of control.
Given the squad we have, everyone is scratching their heads as to how we could have over-spent. There is talk that compensation payments were made for some players. If that happened, it was madness.
There is a lot of politics going on between Matthews and the supporters trust after matthew botched rush to sell the club.
There is spin and counter spin going on. God only knows that the truth is.
Ahhhhhhh, and to think some people thought FOOT.IE could be on the way out :cool::cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
has anyone seen the PFAI statement yet ? there must be one, surely ? ...................... sit comfortably and let the games begin.
Does anyone know more? Simple answer is nope! Cuts are very likely, why they are necessary is a strange one as our owner is alleged to have been the person to agree the playing budget over the Boards head while he had stepped away from day to day running of the club. People on the board with differing opinions on the direction the club is going dig the heels in on such circumvention and the board is dissolved. GM takes the reigns again ... our lilywhite Knight, our saviour *cough* has stepped into the breach again hmmmmmm?
This is just rumour posted by somebody on Oriel web who was challenged about it and never responded. TBH if you believe half of what you read on OW for the past 8 months then you're in trouble. There are some people there with serious axes to grind mostly pinning blame on GM for everything and anything and conveniently forgetting the past. I'm not saying mistakes have not been made they clearly have but the blame lies in several corners, Owner, Board, Trust and Fans. Reading OW these days makes you feel ashamed to be a Dundalk fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Orielweb is full of ex-board members and former directors of the club who just want to discredit anything and EVERYTHING that is happening in Oriel Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
One poster is a former treasurer who screwed the finances of the club up so badly that the club was 24 hours away from meltdown until GM saved his blushes by taking over the club.
Another poster who is constantly on that mb winding people up is a former board member who was part of the group that was trying to take over the club during the summer:rolleyes: Thank fcuk that clown nor his cohorts ever got their way!There are a few more as well.
Thank god i stopped posting over on it a long,long time ago.
It's bull****. I was at a meeting with Gerry Matthews and Paul Johnston last night. There will be no cuts at playing level but they have asked McCaffery to look at his backroom staff. We have two goalkeeping coaches for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Absolutely built, I know the posters you're talking about also, unbelievable that they would have the guile to even comment given their past records.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
It's a sad time really for the club, nobody is pulling in the same direction and every side wants to score points off the other, until the different parties start working together the club will go nowhere :(
It is guile that is lacking across the club but i know what yer saying! The reality is that it is likely to be of greater detriment to the club if the 'facts' were to be aired at this time. In fairness i dont see where blame lies with the Trust as they try to keep up with the cloak and dagger act being sublimely performed by others around the club. I agree with what you say about OW as personal agendas dominate. But there are some valid points eg as the Trust had two members on the Board well then they were in a minority position and would have been out voted if they tried to pull in a different direction to the other members - assuming that there were two factions. Now that flies in the face of what GM is suggesting whereby the dysfunction of the Board is due to the inexperience of the Trust members. Problems started long before the Trust were at Board level which cant be denied! Inexperience is also a issue with GM otherwise 50k would not have been paid out for unfair dismissals that he in a arbitrary manner caused - and that the tip of the iceberg really. A simple look at a sequence of events gives insight into the game being played imo.
GM states his intention to sell.
He rejects all potential suitors including a mysterious London based Russian interest(im not kidding, that claim was from the horses mouth).
He agrees in principle to a handover to the Trust over a season to be completed post season 2012.
He leaves day to day running while agreeing to Trust involvement on the Board including equal access to paperwork eg finances hmmm?
Two senior board members approach GM concerned by the looming financial issues.
GM disbands the Board and returns to running the show directly himself and in a 'god love them they have the best of the club at heart and work hard' manner he again imo patronises the efforts of the trust.
Budgets are being cut to take remedial action on decisions made by the dysfunctional Board...and shakespeareanesque tragedy continues to unfold.
So i shall repeat - a minority pairing are being alluded to as being the root of the problem -obvious horsesh*te!
The Trust didnt get within an asses roar of the club finances.
GM/PJ claim at a meeting i that they are not sure where the clubs bank account was at and it would take a few days to suss it out - very strange from a General Manager never mind the owner.
Dont start on the YDC issues. A former cheif negotiator on the N. Ireland peace process failed to mediate to conclusion.
Its a damn mess and i feel that it goes beyond DFC and into other companies involving our owner...
Joint Statement from Dundalk Football Club and DFC Trust
http://www.dundalkfc.com/joint-dfc-t...k-fc-statement
The trust seem to have put some pressure on GM over the last few weeks by withdrawing their free labour(Keith Wallace@media officer & the DFCTV crew to name just two).I wonder if they are also withholding monies that they would also pay into the club from monthly trust funds in an effort to somewhat force his hand into giving over control of the club to them(the Trust) ??Have any of our lot have any opinions on my slant or have i completly lost the run of myself ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
As as I know Keith left just to pursue other interests and worked for the club as a media officer, it wasn't free labour. Also the DFCTV team just left as they hadn't got the time to commit to the club no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Right,maybe i'm reading too much into it and as i dont realy know any of the lads involved then i would say you are prob right,It just seemed to me that Keith leaving and the DFCTV team leaving at the same time was just too much of a coincidence! ? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinney
Yeah a bit strange they left at the same time, but don't think there was anything in it. It's a great pity though with Keith we had the best website and programme in the country, they aren't going to remain at the same standard now. Also the DFCTV lads provided us with a great service that will be missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Keith decided that it was time to move on and further his career. Chris and the DFCTV team were caught where both expenses were cut and personal time constraints kicked in. Chris as a newly married man has a lovely wife to be with rather than a thankless job filming muck on cold Friday nights ;P
Although you never like to see anyone lose their jobs, having THREE coaches (ok one was a GK coach) AND a manager was just madness. Worse was the recruitment of average strikers, and not going for a big name one. All of this lies with the manager and his arrogance, not talking to MNS is just disgraceful and needs to be stopped.
He is the gaffer, what he says goes, the buck stops with him (now who else said that) ;)