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Originally Posted by corkharps
Alot greater than the lowly Harps anyway. Maybe if Harps got into this cup they would manage more than 600 miserable souls in Ballybofey. Dont think the sight of union jacks would bother a large portion of your support anyway.
live on setanta sports
correct me if im wrong but isnt that station pay-per-view
cant see many bar-stoolers paying for that
It's part of the standard package on NTL in Dublin anyway, don't know about the rest of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
It's free-to-air with the NTL package from August (when they'll broadcast on weekends, it'll switch to more extensive coverage from January). They're currently in negotiations with Sky and Chorus.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
From what I hear, it could well be free to air on Chorus too, but it'll be a subscription channel (as opposed to pay per view, i.e. a monthly rate) on Sky.
Its part of the 'sports pay per view' on sky.
I see another Setana 2 or something which is a pay per view channel though like premiership plus
This is a brand new channel, not the current Setanta 1 channel that's pay per view on sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by dortie
I think it's going to be a separate monthly subscription €9.99 or something like that.
I'd say they'll try to run if off in a month. Its only 13 or 14 games (depending on 1 or 2 leg final) so they should try to run it off quickly to keep interest up.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme rebel
it was called the Tyler cup and was a disaster trouble wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
Athlone reached the final twice,winning in 79/80 and hosting Linfield in St Mels,had the usual tri colour burning etc but i feel the climate is right now for such a competition.
since its invitational i think both derry and longford should be in it with shels and cork.
Derry,Longford and Cork.Why? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by parnell ranger
At one point it was also called the Blanxnit Cup. They use to make football socks
Derry because of the huge interest a game between an il team and them would have all over the island.Quote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
Longford as cup winners,shels as league champs and cork for their massive support.
Sorry can't agree with including a team for political reasons.Longford would have to retain the cup to be included!Shels and Cork are still a possibility depending on the rest of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by parnell ranger
It's not Invitational, it's top 2 in the league plus cup winners.
who mentioned politics? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
We've had a few.
Dublin/Belfast Inter City Cup 1942-1949
North south Cup 1961-63
Blaxnit Cup - 1968-1974
Texaco Cup (also incl mainland Uk) 1970-1974 - intermittent last 2 years were just north v south
Tyler Cup - 1978-1980
Linfield still claim to be reigning All Ireland champions as they won the Tyler Cup in 1980 beating Athlone over 2 legs.
I assume our 3 places are up for grabs as we still have time to give it to our top 3. The Northern 3 are already determined as they won't have a another season finished by April.
Who said this was an invitational competition? FAI have clearly said its a competition you have to qualify for.
Wonder is the prelude to all-ireland league? How would UEFA see such a matter & would they let both "leagues" keep european place for a few years?
It is not the prelude to an All Ireland league and your second question is superflous. None of the previous north v South competitions were either.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
The Irish League clubs do not want an All Ireland League. Normally this only gets trotted out on a slow nesday.
Bizarrely, considering that they're in a worse state than us.... I don't know, if this cup is a success, it wouldn't at all suprise me if some form of breakaway formed....Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Sure haven't Linfield been calling for cross border competition for years? Dunno if they only interested in cup one though.
Lads, this morning's announcement is great news for both the EL and the IL. Here's my thoughts...
It stands out a mile from the press conference that this is Setanta Sports' baby, and their way of sussing out the interest in both leagues. As far as I can see they've got complete sponsorship of the competition, and obviously TV rights. Fair enough, we can understand the TV rights thing, but the fact that they've pushed the boat out and provided full sponsorship and prize money must surely ring a bell (bear in mind: Sky Sports don't sponsor the "Barclaycard" Premiership do they?!). So what's my point then...?
The people at Setanta can see the potential of both leagues. They'll televise this annual tournament, they'll monitor the viewing audiences/revenue and then down the line, pending the success of the Setanta Cup, they'll pounce for TV rights for the EL & IL (or combined league, whatever the future brings). By that stage they'll have their feet firmly in the door of Merrion Square and will be in a lot better position to bid.
How often have we cried out for RTE & TV3 to get more involved? Well now that Setanta have shown their interest, I think our national broadcasters should be left behind. Setanta has the potential to air these games to ex-pats right across the world. Therefore, their audience is bigger, therefore their advertising revenue is bigger, therefore a major cash injection into the leagues is, for the first time, realistic!
Okay, the opinions on this new competition will vary, and I know people are going to call it a farce and a fixtures nightmare. But try to be patient and see it for what it really is. Someone at Setanta has vision. Let's hope the FAI and IFA can get it right from an organisational point of view.
Exciting times for Irish Footbal!
P.S. Sorry about the long post!
This isn't a criticism of Setanta but its good value for them. 1.6m over 4 years with 10 live games per year measn they paying 40k per game which seems good value when they'll probably show 2 live games a week. Means they can almost fill 2 midweek schedulkes a week for 2 months.
Agreed! As I'm trying to point out, there's more to this competition than meets the eye. It's a business deal, but good luck to them, cos I think it'll eventually benefit every club on this island, no matter who qualifies to play in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
A massive fair play to Setanta Sports for all of this, if this is a success they'll no doubt be interested in the rights to show the EL itself, and all of these live matches can only be good for potentially converting new fans. So fair play Setanta!
I don't think either RTE or TV3 would be prepared to sponsor as well as show a tournament and I think the competition would never have got off without proper coverage. I hope it will be a sign of things to come for Irish domestic soccer north and south of the border.
Setanta Sports and the eL might turn out to be the Sky Sports/Premier League of Ireland. If the Setanta Cup takes off and proves a sporting and commercial success it could well be like that. Imagine live eL games every thursday and friday night. Anyone know when TV3's rights over the eL is up for renewal coz I can imagine that Setanta will be at the head of the queue when they do come up.Quote:
Originally Posted by niamh
This is TV3s last season isn't it? And they've got the rights on a non exclusive basis anyway. I was thinking the same myself, Setanta could do for the EL what Sky did to the Premierleague on a smaller scale.
If they did it would raise the profile of the league massively and would be bound to increase attendances etc as it did in england when football went live on tv. Hopefully this is what Setanta are looking to do in the long run and show RTE and TV3 how it should really be done.
This was in the Irish Times today "Cogley would not have been percieved as having been especially enthusiastic about domestic soccer during his time as head of television sport in RTE and he made a point yesterday of stating that the idea of this event predated his arrival at Setanta".
This mean he still has no interest in domestic soccer!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
against this tournament because this will unquestionably insight violence :(
New cross-Border competition
Emmet Malone
The FAI yesterday revealed details of its new cross-Border cup competition, a six-team event which new television channel Setanta Sport has backed with 1.6 million in sponsorship over the next four years as well as a commitment to broadcast 10 of the 13 annual matches live.
The deal, which follows months of talks between the association and its northern counterpart, will restore regular competitive soccer between clubs on the two sides of the Border for the first time since Linfield beat Athlone Town in the last Tyler Cup final, back in the 1980/81 season.
The first staging of the new event will take place next April, with the top two clubs in each league, as well as the cup winners, being drawn into two groups of three, after which each will play each other on a home and away basis. The two group winners will then face each other in a once-off final.
"This is the sort of thing that I set as a priority when I joined the FAI last year," said the association's chief executive, Fran Rooney. "I remember the success of previous cross-Border competitions, the rivalries and interest they generated. We're confident that this competition can recapture that mood and that it will become an important part of the football calendar on both sides of the Border."
Rooney also pointed to the scale of the sponsorship as being a major step forward for an association that has had persistent difficulty in the past with persuading broadcasters that games involving domestic clubs have any serious value.
Although the figures are far from clear-cut because Setanta is paying to sponsor the competition - it will be known as the Setanta Cup - as well as to broadcast its matches, the deal involves a payment to the association, which effectively owns the tournament, of just over 30,000 per match.
After some 300,000 is deducted from the overall figure to cover marketing and other expenses, around 1.3 million in prize money will be left over to be divided up amongst the competing clubs.
Rooney said yesterday that the precise breakdown of the figures involved had yet to be worked out, but that he envisaged each club receiving a basic fee for participating, with the winners and runner-up then being awarded substantial bonuses.
The two finalists will have five games added to their season's schedule. Given that there has already been considerable disruption to the league because of European competition since the switch to summer football, Rooney said that the previously announced review of the calendar would now take on an added significance.
"I think that we need a sensible calendar that takes account of all competitions - the league, league cup, FAI Cup, European competitions and now this new event. We need to be fair to everybody and that's what we intend to do as we consider the matter in a very broad context over the next few months."
Speaking on behalf of Setanta Sport, the company's CEO Niall Cogley said that it sees the new competition as a "signature event", one "we feel will capture the imagination of the Irish public. We want to innovate, complement and invest in the indigenous industry. This is an opportunity for us to do all of those things."
Cogley would not necessarily have been perceived as having been especially enthusiastic about domestic soccer during his time as head of television sport in RTÉ and he made a point yesterday of stating that the idea of this event predated his arrival at Setanta.
"My involvement here was to tie things up rather than to initiate it," he said, but he went on to observe that "a lot of the calls we've been getting have been about this sort of thing, about whether we are going to cover the Eircom League and other Irish events, so we certainly see that there is the interest there and we intend that this will become the football event on the island over the coming years."
He added, however, that talks have already taken place with the FAI about the possibility of live or deferred coverage of league and cup games and that an announcement on this could follow shortly.
David Chick, the chairman of the Senior Clubs' Committee of the IFA said that in terms of Northern Ireland this would be the game's biggest sponsorship deal and added that, "in terms our clubs, it will be right up there with qualifying for Europe when it comes to incentives for winning the league or cup".
The issue of security, representatives of both associations said, is not a major concern. "We've spoken to the police forces both north and south and they have no worries. I think one of the things that we're very proud of is how far we've come in recent years in terms of the behaviour of our supporters."
Though the inaugural competition will be held next April Rooney said that it could subsequently be switched to November.
How the cross-border cup works
The Setanta Cup will involve six clubs each year, three from each side of the border. Clubs will qualify by winning or finishing second in the league or by winning the FAI or IFA cup. In the event that a team qualifies by more than one route, then the third-placed side in the league will win entry to the competition.
The six competing clubs will then be drawn into two groups of three with each club playing the other two in its group on a home and away basis. The top side in each group will then go forward to the tournament final which will be a single match, the venue for which will be decided on a year-to-year basis.
Around 300,000 will be divided amongst the six participating clubs annually. The breakdown of how the money is to be allocated has yet to be decided, but it is likely that clubs would be guaranteed in excess of 30,000 with the balance being distributed as prize-money to the finalists.
The FAI will organise the competition, while the IFA was described yesterday as a "participating partner" in the event. Fran Rooney said at the launch that he hopes to see the competition develop into something to which significant additional sponsorship could be attracted.
Previous cross-border competitions have included the Dublin and Belfast Inter-City Cup which ran between 1941 and 1949, the North-South Cup which survived just two years at the start of the 1960s and the Blaxnit, Texaco and Tyler cups which were stages, one after the other, almost consecutively between the 1967/68 season and the 1980/81 campaign.
© The Irish Times
Nice one!!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
I think its a great development :) , but I question the wisdom of only 6 teams. I know they don't want to burden teams with more games in an already congested fixture list, but surely 4+4 would have had a much better balance...
as it stands four out of the six teams will only play one match in the other juristiction. There is even the (remote) possibility of an absurd group such as Glentoran, Coleraine and Derry, where none of the games in this "North-South" group would be played in the south! :confused:
Perhaps the number will increase to 8 after the first season or two :ball:
Is there a possibility of one All-Southern group and the other an All-Northern group, if not, then isn't there a very big chance of an All-Southern Final? I imagine Shels v Bohs the first final.
We need to get the Tyler cup back to Dublin.
I think the groups are gaurenteed to be two from one league and one from the other
As long as it's out of Windsor Park, I'll be happy ...... preferably 4 miles East :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ShelsTim
it wouldn't make much sense to have all IL and EL groups. The competition's main selling point is the novelty of seeing IL and EL teams playing in competitive games so presumably the groups will be mixed to maximise these games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShelsTim
Of course that means both finalists could be from the same league.
there's going to be 2 from one side of the border and one from the other in each group.
For what its worth, I think the first final should be played in Longford because its sort of in the middle of the country, and they have put a lot of effort into building a nice 6,000 all-seater stadium. (That is, of course, unless Longford get to the final!)
Thereafter they should rotate the final around grounds with the suitable standard of facilities, next could/should/would be Mourneview in Lurgan. It could be like the Champions League, with different grounds bidding to host the final, before the tournament starts.
The final should be in Lansedown, it should be able to attract an even bigger crowd than the FAI cup final and Lansedown is the biggest venue available.
I see the point about Lansdowne being a big ("neutral") stadium, but if we go down that road, the northern clubs will want to hold it at Windsor park at least occasionally.
If we go down the route of selecting club grounds each year we don't get that problem and it can encourage and reward clubs for improving their grounds. A certain portion of the prize-money, or perhaps the gate receipts, should go to the host club for this. After all, we want all the clubs to benefit from this competition, not just the elite of about 8 or 10 who will probably provide the competitors year after year.
[you'll probably say "what if Linfield apply to host it?" That would be all well and good, except that Windsor would be unacceptable to some clubs in the way that other club ground aren't.]
on a parrallel thought - the Superbowl in the US is held in a venue that has been selected a long time in advance, between two teams from different leagues, the NFC and the AFC, which don't meet until the final (Superbowl).