European Football 2012

Update on Champions League:

Rovers at the moment are in the last possible position for seeding (assuming teams of higher co-eff than Rovers win leagues currently ahead), there is 3 leagues below, which are Israel, Azerbaijan and Macedonia.

Israel: Hapoel Ironi Kiryat Shmona (below) are currently 16 points clear, so thats 1 league ruled out, you would think.
Azerbaijan: Neftçi Baku PFC (below) are currently 5 points clear of FK Qarabag (ahead) and 6 points clear of FC Inter Baku & FK Khazar Lankaran (Both below) with 6 games to go
Macedonia: FK Vardar (below) are currently 14 points clear, with 10 games to go, again we can rule this out.

So the only threat to Rovers is if FK Qarabag win the Azeri League.

Update on the Europa League.

Bohs and Pats will both be seeded in Round 1. Going on previous semi regional posts we'll face one of these sides IMO. Listed in order of ranking, teams in bold have definitely qualified.

EB/Streymur - Faroes
FK Šiauliai - Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) - Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils - Latvia
Llanelli - Wales
Crusaders - Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch - Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) - Lithuania
IBV- Iceland
Trans (Narva) - Estonia
Por Akureyri - Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) - Estonia
NSÍ Runavík - Faroes
Portadown - Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher - Luxembourg
Víkingur - Faroes
Cefn Druids - Wales

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Depending on a few results, Pats may be seeded in Round 2. We'll know within a month. Bohs and Sligo won't be.

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seeding

Crusaders is an awfully strange sounding country...

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

Rovers at the moment are in the last possible position for seeding (assuming teams of higher co-eff than Rovers win leagues currently ahead), there is 3 leagues below, which are Israel, Azerbaijan and Macedonia.

Israel: Hapoel Ironi Kiryat Shmona (below) are currently 16 points clear, so thats 1 league ruled out, you would think.
Azerbaijan: Neftçi Baku PFC (below) are currently 5 points clear of FK Qarabag (ahead) and 6 points clear of FC Inter Baku & FK Khazar Lankaran (Both below) with 6 games to go
Macedonia: FK Vardar (below) are currently 14 points clear, with 10 games to go, again we can rule this out.

So the only threat to Rovers is if FK Qarabag win the Azeri League.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seeding

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So which of ye are wrong?

Slight Miscalcuation from me the last time

Zilina Svk 14.974
Legia Warsaw Pol 11.983
CSKA Sofia Bul 10.350
Debrecen Hun 7.950 / Györ Hun 3.450
Ekranas Lit 4.875
Zestafoni Geo 4.733 / Metalurgi Rustavi Geo 1.733
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Shamrock Rovers Irl 4.475
Hapoel Kiryat Shmona Isr 4.400
Molde FK Nor 3.935
Željezničar Bos 3.683
KR Reykjavik Isl 3.566
Dacia Mol 3.349 / Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 9.849


Hun: (5 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Debrecen 25/59
Györ 25/57

Geo: (6 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Zestafoni 22/43
Metalurgi Rustavi 22/42

Mol: (6 to Go) (Still to play each other)
Dacia 27/67
Sheriff Tiraspol 27/66

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

Slight Miscalcuation from me the last time

Zilina Svk 14.974
Legia Warsaw Pol 11.983
CSKA Sofia Bul 10.350
Debrecen Hun 7.950 / Györ Hun 3.450
Ekranas Lit 4.875
Zestafoni Geo 4.733 / Metalurgi Rustavi Geo 1.733
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Shamrock Rovers Irl 4.475
Hapoel Kiryat Shmona Isr 4.400
Molde FK Nor 3.935
Željezničar Bos 3.683
KR Reykjavik Isl 3.566
Dacia Mol 3.349 / Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 9.849


Hun: (5 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Debrecen 25/59
Györ 25/57

Geo: (6 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Zestafoni 22/43
Metalurgi Rustavi 22/42

Mol: (6 to Go) (Still to play each other)
Dacia 27/67
Sheriff Tiraspol 27/66

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Based on this then. They need 2 from the 3 leagues highlighted, to go the way of the lower seeds or else Rovers ain't seeded. Gonna go down to the wire I think

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I've been informed by my brother, who has a bit of a knack for all things co-efficients, that Rovers won't be seeded if Chelsea win the Champions League.

Edit: Actually, it's not as simple as that, he tells me. Why did I think co-efficients could be simple?

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Originally Posted by ger121

Based on this then. They need 2 from the 3 leagues highlighted, to go the way of the lower seeds or else Rovers ain't seeded. Gonna go down to the wire I think

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Győr in the Hungarian League will be serving the second year of a 3-year ban from UEFA competition due to breach of licencing rules, so regardless of whether or not they win their league they won't be able to compete in Europe. That leaves it just down to the Georgian and Moldovan leagues. For Rovers to be seeded they need both Metalurgi Rustavi and Dacia Chişinău to win the Georgian and Moldovan leagues respectively.

Here's Shamrock Rovers current seeding status. The below is assuming Bayern win. If Chelsea win 2 teams need to win their league.

To get a seeding spot 1 of the 7 teams below have to win their leagues.


Moldova – Dacia (1 point ahead, 6 games left)

Georgia – Metalurgi Rustavi (1 point behind, 6 games left)
Poland -- Korona Kielce (4 points behind, 3 games left)
Hungary – Videoton (8 points behind, 5 games left)
Slovakia – Senica (8 points behind, 6 games left)
Bulgaria – Ludogorets (8 points behind, 5 games left)



Potential opponents, these are more or less confirmed!:


If Unseeded:
Belarus - Bate Borisov
Poland - Legia Warsaw
Sweden - Helsingborg
Finland - Helsinki
Latvia - FK Ventspils
(Ireland - Shamrock Rovers)


If Seeded
Norway - Molde
Northern Ireland - Linfield
Wales – TNS
Iceland - KR Reykjavík
Estonia - Flora Tallinn
Faroe Islands - Tórshavn


Pats and Bohs Seeded in Round 1 of the europa league.

Bohs and Sligo unseeded in round 2.
There are 80 teams in round 2. Pats have the very last seeding spot as it stands. Will only know for definite when all the leagues end.

Pats in Rd 2 are in a similar enough position as Rovers. Need a couple of things to fall their way from 10 leagues. Among them are the opposit to Rovers (ie Pats want Sheriff to win league in Moldova and Zestafoni to win in Georgia). Would help if St Johnston pick up last Scottish spot

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Pats in Rd 2 are in a similar enough position as Rovers. Need a couple of things to fall their way from 10 leagues. Among them are the opposit to Rovers (ie Pats want Sheriff to win league in Moldova and Zestafoni to win in Georgia). Would help if St Johnston pick up last Scottish spot

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First of the 10 things has happened. No Dinamo Minsk in europe next year is good for Pats.

Pats and Bohs confirm they've received their Euro license. Presume Sligo and Rovers have too, but haven't seen any confirmation

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Update on the Europa League.

Bohs and Pats will both be seeded in Round 1. Going on previous semi regional posts we'll face one of these sides IMO. Listed in order of ranking, teams in bold have definitely qualified.

EB/Streymur - Faroes
FK Šiauliai - Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) - Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils - Latvia
Llanelli - Wales
Crusaders - Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch - Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) - Lithuania
IBV- Iceland
Trans (Narva) - Estonia
Por Akureyri - Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) - Estonia
NSÍ Runavík - Faroes
Portadown - Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher - Luxembourg
Víkingur - Faroes
Cefn Druids - Wales

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Depending on a few results, Pats may be seeded in Round 2. We'll know within a month. Bohs and Sligo won't be.

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seeding

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Coleraine can still overtake either Portadown or Cliftonville if they win on Saturday
As it stands;
Cliftonville 69 pts 24 gd
Portadown 68 pts 24 gd
Coleraine 66 pts 24 gd

Cliftonville v Portadown
Crusaders v Coleraine
So depending on the outcome of Clif/Ports a victory for Coleraine over Crusaders will get them up to 3rd. A draw will see Portadown losing out by whatever GD Coleraine can manage.

With Linfield strolling it again this year it keeps a bit of interest going till the end.

Good weekend for Rovers in terms of their chances of being seeded.

Dacia are still 1 point ahead in Moldova with 5 games to go

Metalurgi Rustavi are now 2 points ahead in Georgia with 5 games to go

Korona Kielce are now only 2 points off top with 2 games to go in Poland but there are 4 teams ahead of them so not looking likely that they will win the league

Coleraine blew it against Crusaders on Saturday so it will be Portadown and Cliftonville after all.
Should have known better than to doubt Dodge's take on things.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I've been informed by my brother, who has a bit of a knack for all things co-efficients, that Rovers won't be seeded if Chelsea win the Champions League.

Edit: Actually, it's not as simple as that, he tells me. Why did I think co-efficients could be simple?

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If Bayern win the CL it means that the group stage spot for the runners-up in Germany will be vacated.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

Belgian Champions will enter the group stage.

Swiss Champions enter Champions 3rd Round Qualification

The Champions of N Ireland and Malta would enter Champions 2nd Qualification

There would only be 4 teams in the Champions 1st Qualification.

This would mean that one of the seeded teams in the 2nd qualifying round (FC Basel) wouldn't be there any more so Rovers would move up one spot.

If Chelsea win the CL, England won't get their final qualifying spot.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

3rd Place in Portugal and 2nd in Russia enter the 4th QR For Non=Champions.

Leaving only 8 teams in the 3rd QR for Non-Champions.

Having no impact at all on Rovers.

In the first instance, Bayern winning the CL, Rovers would only need one of Dacia, Rustavi or Korona to win the league. In the cast of Chelsea winning the CL they would need 2 or those to happen.

bert has this up now - this should keep my busy for a few hours!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/...eedel2012.html

edit - as Dodge said- yeah Boh and Pats will be seeded. Fancy that C Druids Welsh team?

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

If Bayern win the CL it means that the group stage spot for the runners-up in Germany will be vacated.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

Belgian Champions will enter the group stage.

Swiss Champions enter Champions 3rd Round Qualification

The Champions of N Ireland and Malta would enter Champions 2nd Qualification

There would only be 4 teams in the Champions 1st Qualification.

This would mean that one of the seeded teams in the 2nd qualifying round (FC Basel) wouldn't be there any more so Rovers would move up one spot.

If Chelsea win the CL, England won't get their final qualifying spot.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

3rd Place in Portugal and 2nd in Russia enter the 4th QR For Non=Champions.

Leaving only 8 teams in the 3rd QR for Non-Champions.

Having no impact at all on Rovers.

In the first instance, Bayern winning the CL, Rovers would only need one of Dacia, Rustavi or Korona to win the league. In the cast of Chelsea winning the CL they would need 2 or those to happen.

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JC you have no idea how hard it is to explain all that in 2 lines :)

Last year Barcelona winning bumped every team up 1 in the champions round. The same will happen this year only if bayern win.

I have my guess on Moldova and Georgia to go Rovers way anyway. Our seeding could be known as early as 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

bert has this up now - this should keep my busy for a few hours!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/...eedel2012.html

edit - as Dodge said- yeah Boh and Pats will be seeded. Fancy that C Druids Welsh team?

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Incase it hasn't been mentioned. The first round is regionalised. Northern, Middle, Southern.

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Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop

Incase it hasn't been mentioned. The first round is regionalised. Northern, Middle, Southern.

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Are you sure, Bert seems to think not?

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Are you sure, Bert seems to think not?

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They're not called regions but for the last couple of years the groups were very much, eh, alligned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2..._round#Seeding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2..._round#Seeding

The year before that was the first year of the new Europa League and was completely random, but apparently there was a backlash about that. They won't call them regions, because they want to keep their options open to keep the sme amount of seeded/unseeded in all groups. So last year The 10 Northern seeds came from Ireland (Pats), Sweden x 2, Norway x 2, England, Iceland, Finland, Wales and, eh, Macedonia. The 10 unseeded teams came from Northern Ireland x 2, Faroes x 2, Luxembourg x 2, Latvia, Estonia, Iceland and Wales. Of those countries, Macedonia had another seed in a different group (cental/eastern) and Estonia and Lithuania had unseeded in that same group.

Once again its liekly the 3 fair play spots will be from 'Northern' countries. At the moment I'm confident Pats/Bohs will get one of these...

EB/Streymur Faroes
FK Šiauliai Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils Latvia
Llanelli Wales
Crusaders Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) Lithuania
IBV Iceland
Trans (Narva) Estonia
Por Akureyri (1st Div) Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) Estonia
NSÍ Runavík Faroes
Portadown Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher Luxembourg
Víkingur Faroes
Cefn Druids Wales

Only those in bold haven't been confirmed. if a fair play qualifier comes from the lieks of Finland or maybe Norway, they'd be added to this

Also the league's co-efficient is based on 2007/08 to 2011/12. Our ranking is 7.375

The contributions to that are
Pats - 2.791
Drogheda -1.5
Rovers - 1.125
Derry - 0.667
Bohs -0.5
Dundalk- 0.375
Sligo - 0.25
Cork - 0.167
Fingal - 0

I think it will be regionalised in the 1st round for sure as it goes out the window for the other rounds (due to the 2nd draw being made during the 1st round ties).

I am 90% sure the following will be the teams in the Champions league 2nd round (Northern region)

Seeded:
Belarus - Bate Borisov
Poland - Legia Warsaw
Sweden - Helsingborg
Finland - Helsinki
Latvia - FK Ventspils
Ireland - Shamrock Rovers

Unseeded:

Norway - Molde
Northern Ireland - Linfield
Wales – TNS
Iceland - KR Reykjavík
Estonia - Flora Tallinn
Faroe Islands - Tórshavn

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Once again its liekly the 3 fair play spots will be from 'Northern' countries. At the moment I'm confident Pats/Bohs will get one of these...

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Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

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2 different sentences. So. Fair Play team will come from a Northern Country.

Then, Pats/Bohs will get one of the teams listed below in the First Round

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

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Party saint has it spot on. I expect the 3 FP spots to go to the Northenr countries. In the last rankings the top 4 were; Norway, Finland, Holland and Iceland.

If somehow Ireland got the spot, UCD would get the place (FAI have announced this). And yeah, our joint co-efficient would be divided by 5 instead of 4 because of that. UCD wouldn't be seeded

The Pats/Bohs bit just meant that I think we'll still get one of the teams listed, with the caveat that if the FP spot are awarded to Finland, iceland etc we could get that representative too

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Party saint has it spot on. I expect the 3 FP spots to go to the Northenr countries. In the last rankings the top 4 were; Norway, Finland, Holland and Iceland.

If somehow Ireland got the spot, UCD would get the place (FAI have announced this). And yeah, our joint co-efficient would be divided by 5 instead of 4 because of that. UCD wouldn't be seeded

The Pats/Bohs bit just meant that I think we'll still get one of the teams listed, with the caveat that if the FP spot are awarded to Finland, iceland etc we could get that representative too

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Apologies. I'd like to blame the drink.

Course I noticed the list after I posted (nothing to do with partysaint :p ). No idea how I thought the second sentence refered to the first.

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Have the rankings ever changed between january and the end of the season? Or how unlikely is it that ucd will be in europe?

Well Ireland was 13th, so we'd need to over take 10. I thinmk thats unlikely. Can't see how the summer nations would change too much since then so we'd still be behind, at least, Norway, Finland and Iceland. I'm mostly guessing though as I haven't really followed it

Actually, just had a quick look there.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...7_DOWNLOAD.pdf

At the intermediate point in 2010/11 (ie 31 dec 2010) the top 10 were

Norway
England
Sweden
Ireland
Germany
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
Spain
France



http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...0_DOWNLOAD.pdf

When the final rankings published, the top 10 read


Norway
England
Sweden
Denmark
Iceland
Germany
Ireland
Finland
Holland
France

So the top 3 stayed the same and we actually dropped 3 places. You can the top ten at the this seaosn intermediate point here;
http://www.uefa.com//MultimediaFiles...3_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Norway
Finland
Holland
Iceland
Spain
Germany
France
Sweden
England
Denmark

Spain the only country with realistic chance of breaking the 'Northern' monopoly

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

Good weekend for Rovers in terms of their chances of being seeded.

Dacia are still 1 point ahead in Moldova with 5 games to go

Metalurgi Rustavi are now 2 points ahead in Georgia with 5 games to go

Korona Kielce are now only 2 points off top with 2 games to go in Poland but there are 4 teams ahead of them so not looking likely that they will win the league

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Sheriff have overtaken Dacia in Moldova...2 points clear with 4 matches left

Only saw tonight that that is good news for Pats. Happy Days

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

Only saw tonight that that is good news for Potts. Happy Days

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Fixed.

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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh!

The NerdOmeter must go off the scale for this thread. :D :cool:

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Originally Posted by redobit

The NerdOmeter must go off the scale for this thread. :D :cool:

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yeah, all the cool kids just post snipy messages on internet forums

yeah, and nerds always think a post is a snipe when actually it was more like an approval :cool:

So you admit you're a nerd then. We're all agreed.

Haha. Na, Im the cool kid, youre the one who thought the post was a snipe. lol

Metalurgi Rustavi came from 2-1 behind to win 3-2 against Merani Martvili earlier today, while Zestafoni have just lost 1-0 to Dinamo Tbilisi after conceding a goal in the last minute. This leaves Rustavi 5 points ahead with 4 games left and firmly in the driving seat ahead of their home tie against Zestafoni on Sunday i.e. good for Rovers.

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Originally Posted by JayC90

Metalurgi Rustavi came from 2-1 behind to win 3-2 against Merani Martvili earlier today, while Zestafoni have just lost 1-0 to Dinamo Tbilisi after conceding a goal in the last minute. This leaves Rustavi 5 points ahead with 4 games left and firmly in the driving seat ahead of their home tie against Zestafoni on Sunday i.e. good for Rovers.

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It is great news. If they win it and Bayern win the final we don't need to rely on Moldova (or any other league for that sake.)

Zestafoni are bottling it worse than Rovers run in 2010!