That lad Duggan is meant to be a handy player. I think he had his pick of premiership clubs but chose Peterborough. Might prove to be a wise choice.
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That lad Duggan is meant to be a handy player. I think he had his pick of premiership clubs but chose Peterborough. Might prove to be a wise choice.
He looks a smashing player
Wow. Nice to see that from an Irish prospect. Hopefully he has a bit more left to grow.
Only if he comes back into the irish foldQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Bamford, Redmond and Crowley. Getting these players on board would certainly excite fans!
I read a couple of reports about this game and all the focus was on the centre-forward, and a small bit about Crowley. Judging by the highlights above, Crowley was the one pulling the strings completely.
Crowley is so highly rated that several months ago, Roy Hodgson invited him to train with the English team. Part of that may have been concerns that he may declare for Ireland in the future, but given there are plenty of young lads in England that can play with Ireland, it shows how highly he is rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Wilshere has mentioned him in interviews about youngsters in the academy at Arsenal. He seems to rate him really highly.
Duggan scored a few goals in the earlier rounds and they seem to have been crackers. Good to see, as I think he only went over in the summer.
Who would any of them get in the team ahead of?
If they have any chance of playing for England, they are not our immediate concern.
yeah - should have read through the thread again. His flip-flopping to date gives us some cause to be hopeful...Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Very confusing thread to read, obviously he is a good player, but he is not committed until he has played a full international, correct?
Having said that, it looks like we have lost him to the Ireland B-team..
http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/foot...land_1_3708120
sorry just seen its already postered in the kevin nolan tread by trapapony apologies
worth seeing how our british equivalents view crowleys possible switch http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/...672065/page-94
TOWK will like that smack of realism, how they read the whole keeping the options open.
"If he's not good enough he will go to play for Ireland"
Jack grealish. Discuss
I'd suggest it's very positive that he's unwilling to commit to England, particularly when he's being asked the question by a small and local English publication.
Hopefully somebody from the FAI is following this one up because it sounds as though he just went along to the England trials as a young kid looking to play a bit more football.
http://www.squawka.com/news/arsenal-...he-club/152628
Daniel Crowley signs first professional contract at Arse.
That is not what it sounds like at all and that is not what our compatriots in England think either. Wake up and smell the coffee. He doesn't want to alienate the Irish side incase things dont work out with England. Some seem to have a very insular or perverse method of thinking when it comes to these players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
He is theirs to lose.
If he's with England already and they continue selecting him, I don't see why he'd go out of his way and force a move to change the status quo.
cos he considers himself irish or in the case as some across here put it "more irish than english".
surely that's the whole eligibility debate there.
I'd be surprised if Crowley switched so long as things are rosy for him in the England set-up. If he's happy playing with them for the mean-time, in spite of being well aware of his Irish heritage and having previously played for us at an earlier level, you'd imagine he'd be happy to let things continue that way rather than upsetting the apple-cart. He sounds to be more in tune with his Irish roots than the likes of Jermaine Pennant, but if he genuinely harbours ambitions of playing for us, you'd expect him to accept a call-up. Have the FAI been in touch with him of late? In saying that, interest from England didn't stop Ciaran Clark from switching aged 20/21, so you never know... Clark went from being England's under-20 captain one year to being a senior Irish international the next.
I don't think a comparison with the situation of Jack Grealish is appropriate at all. Grealish has been playing for us (and not England) since the age of 14. He has never declared any positive interest in switching to England. He's always demonstrated commitment to us.
In what sense does it embody the whole debate?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I'm guessing your first line there is sarcasm? Or does he actually consider himself primarily Irish despite having been born in England to England-born parents?
That eligibility should be first and foremost about the want and desire to play for a country obviously the papers and qualification are involved in the process and procedure but the kernel of eligibility in the sense being able to play for ireland is desire. The rest will follow.
its unlikely we will get an iranian with desire to play for ireland who could not in fact because he didn't have the papers for example.
as fans and irishmen that's how we should see eligibility. granted I'm all for shoe-Horning in a paul Gascoigne or potential tally Dan crowley :D
Just saw a comment on Facebook under an article about Crowley. It states that all his family are from Waterford and he played Gaelic football with Roger Casement's in Coventry as a kid.
He's clearly really, really English though if he's packed in the Gaelic for the Garrison game!
The lad has just turned 17. Of course he's not going to slam any doors shut because he presumably doesn't know who he wants to play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Maybe it's you that is doing too much perverse thinking about 'these players' if you expect a kid to have a concrete sense of identity and take the definitive and brave decision to switch his allegiance back to Ireland so lightly.
Don't tell that to Neil Yadolahi! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Where is he playing these days anyway?
Isn't what you say all fairly obvious though. I mean, would you really expect any able footballer who wasn't either Ireland-born or of immediate Irish heritage (a non-national, in other words) to have a serious interest in representing us? Where's the debate exactly? I suppose, if the League of Ireland was had stronger pedigree with greater pulling power, maybe you'd get the odd foreign-born player coming through the ranks, blossoming into a player of potential international ability and acquiring Irish nationality (akin to Diego Costa acquiring Spanish nationality or Eduardo acquiring Croatian nationality).
Englishman Mitch Hancox tends to naturalise and become a full international in my Football Manager game. Might be worth a look.
Crowley will choose Ireland, according to his former GAA coach: http://balls.ie/football/dan-crowley...y-for-ireland/
I assume none of his appearances for Ireland were competitive then? Actually, have any of his appearances for England to date been competitive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Balls.ie
Very positive things coming from his former GAA coach, by the way. Might Paul's 100 per cent record of being right on everything be ever-so-slightly under threat?
Yep, he has played competitively for England at U17 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://www.uefa.com/under17/season=2...214/index.html
I think, but I would have to check, that he played U16 for Ireland in the same season. Effectively, however, as far as eligibility rules are concerned, he didn't play at all.
Not at all. Even when he's wrong (which is often), Paul is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
No charwin you're having an episode again. That's you.
that one time about seamie I was wrong.
I will say that Crowley still hasn't reverted to us. But I'll bump this post anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
And if Mr. Crowley turns out to be an Arsenal wonderkid and plays for Ireland then I will gladly accept I was wrong.
IF he and grealish end up in the first division or lower premiership without much prospect and turn out for Ireland, I will not be surprised either.
This lad probably does have a bit more about his Irish "credentials", but lets wait and see.
The, er, Facebook lobby don't share your confidence...
https://www.facebook.com/ballsdotie?fref=nf
Paul predicts statistically highly probably event. A career as an astrologist or psychic medium beckons :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Tbf his middle paragraph about Crowley and Grealish is about right. Somehow, we need a lot more than that.
No, its as simple as it sounds stutts, what happened that bramford fella anyway? Being seduced by chelsea first team talk and lots of transfer speculation, and he no longer plays with us. Someone will paint a different picture but he is no longer with us either.
My point is simple, if these lads play top football for top clubs I don't believe they will line out for Ireland. If they aren't playing at the very top then they are less likely to get selected for England and will obviously then line out for us. Its pretty simple nothing to do with predicting an event like them not making it.
The irony is Bamford probably won't play for either then...like numerous other 'candidates'.
Bamford only played for us once, while he was at Nottingham Forest, and didn't continue to. You can't say he was ever 'with' us.
But as Trap would have said, he can still 'come with us.'