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Originally Posted by Spudulika
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Please!!!:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Sorry amigo, this is what UCD does to a person! Use celtic or celt as you will, sure it's all for the craic anyway :-)
Home was always just a flight away, ever since the 50's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
A lot don't come home. You can't blame them tbh, with the state the country is in. The economy is 100% foreign owned, and run by brown envelopes.
If you're on the European mainland, you can hop and skip from country to country as needs be, and you don't necessarily need flights to get by. You just need documentation and languages mainly. Here you're stuck on a rock, and the only way in and out to 95% of other countries is flights, and expensive ones at that.
One thing I've noticed since being over here is the difference in reaction to my accent. Most of the time people seem grand about it, but if you do something wrong, things regress to the 1950s, and you're suddenly a thick Paddy. I've seen this more and more the further south I go, until in some parts near London, you'd be better off with leprosy than any sort of an accent. Has anybody else noticed this?
I emigrated a year and a half ago with my boyfriend. I had a secure job teaching but he was out of work for 18months and it was not a good time for us. So, I took a career break and we left for Thailand. Absolutely love it. It's tough seeing family and friends so little, but the country is amazing and our standard of living is miles above what we'd have at home. The main thing though is the atmosphere. Even at home over Xmas, it's just all a bit depressing. Here, it's all sun and smiles most of the time.
The language is very tough and I haven't learned anywhere near enough, I have the basics to get by but that's about it.
We're gonna move on elsewhere next year. It's not so bad for us, as we are here by choice really. Also, I have my job to go back to once I return within 5 years.....but it's hard to even think about going back at the minute.
I guess we'll go back then, see if we can cope, and if not head away again.
People get out of here every Christmas to get some much needed sun and smiles. They love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
At least they get their sun at Christmas, it's nice, warm, and pleasant. 2 years ago, we were stuck in gridlock from several inches of snow. That's depressing.
Two years after MOL branded Lisbon No voters as "unemployed dole scroungers", he has given them another kick by backing Noonan's call that "emigration is a lifestyle choice". And people wonder why we're called "thick Paddies" in some countries?
10 years ago, most people didn't emigrate as there was work here. People went to America or Australia for short trips and experience. Now they're going for work. They have mouths to feed and bills to pay. Unable to find work here, they have to go somewhere else to do it, and it's time those in secure jobs here realised that.
MOL is an arse, and he like the media has taken Noonan's comments out of context. I would've thought people getting worked up about one bit of comment, without the context being known, is more damage to the national image to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Has anyone got a link of what Noonan actually said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Emigration is a lifestyle choice for some people; that's an uncontroversial, incontrovertible fact.
yeah but not for over 120,000 and growing!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/...ce-536615.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Noonan is a tool, pure and simple. MOL is a clever publicity using businessperson who knows how to get what he wants.
For some it is. I know tradespeople that were tipping away here ok in the scheme of things, but have gone for the bigger bucks abroad. I don't consider that as being forced out. If you asked them or they're families they'd be saying "no work", but in some cases it's in comparison to the rates that they could command in the bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Well i can only talk about my own situation and that of my wife, if we stayed in ireland i would be out of work and my wife would be on a much reduced salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Do you not realise that there are feck all jobs in Ireland?????
But your situation is your own. Some have a choice, others don't. There was always emigration from Ireland, and always will be
Politicians and business men will be as selective as they can to suit their agenda
Sure I hadn't noticed... Noonan's point was that for some it is a lifestyle choice. He is right, for some it is, but for others it's a last resort.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Yeah doh that is obvious, but you cant argue that the numbers leaving the country are very high at the moment, and my situation is replicated all over the place. I know many Irish abroad that would just love to be home, myself included, but we cant.
Whatever he meant the current situation makes it sound very crass imho
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Don't have a problem with what he's said. Unfortunately, the nature of politics is that making the other side look bad comes before actually doing anything constructive, so it was an easy thing for FF to latch on to. And so cue hysteria amongst people who haven't actually read what was said.
Ireland must be doing great so, is it:rolleyes:
Of course the country's not doing great. I don't see what that has to do with anything though?
How many were leaving for "lifestyle choices" during the boom times?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
They were there. I know plenty of people who went to work in England around 2002/03 (not long out of college), for example. Their call.
Yeah but Im not arguing that the Irish don't travel for leisure, I'm arguing that in these times when emigration is on the rise again due to reasons of unemployment and lack of (none) opportunities, for a minister charged in government with trying to sort this mess out shouldnt really be coming out with statements like this. Good for his kids and their nice private education no doubt.
Reminds back in the day when FF (Lennihan or Flynn, cant remember) used to recommend emigration to young people as a way of alleviating the jobs issue. Things have come full circle, the 80s are def back.
Well, I could have stayed in Ireland, and perhaps eventually found a job stacking shelves, or doing data entry, or digging ditches, if I really tried. Not that there is anything wrong with any of those professions, but it's not what I want to do, and without wanting to sound arrogant, would be an absolute waste of all the education I've gone through. I left because I could only find a job in engineering in the UK (I'm hardly in Leicester for the unique culture and life-affirming experiences!), just because I could have stayed at home in a far less well-paid or challenging job doesn't, in my opinion, make me that much less entitled to claim I'm a victim of the recession than someone who had the choice between the dole in Ireland, and working the building sites over here.
All that shows is that you haven't actually read the statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
It's not 2000 anymore. These days, if you're offered a job here, you should take it, and ask questions later. When conditions improve, you can chase your dream job then. Meanwhile, it's easier to get Euro 2012 game tickets than find a job these days, for the hundreds of thousands of people in the country who genuinely want one.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Do you not understand my post!!!! Insensitive timing on his part.Cant believe that he is willfully ignoring the real reasons behind the high level of emigration but he is an Irish politician so he might be actually that thickQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
So some people are leaving the country through choice. Wow that's great to know, thanks for that!
A significant number from my peer group, even amongst those that were fully certified for a trade. I know there's people, like yourself, that feel they had no choice. But all Noonan said that this isn't the case for everyone, which is true. He should've known better how it'd be spun though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Yeah and as I said Why the need for him to make these comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Often people are asked stuff. Are you saying honest answers shouldn't be given purely because the gutter media will twist them? That's not really a healthy way of looking at things; we'll end up with a planet of Daily Mail readers.
*shuddersQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yeah that's fine, but he was one of the ministers attacking FF when in opposition about this very question. Looks very hypocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
(and what the hell would the question be - "emigration, whats it all about, eh?")
Who cares what the question was. You can read what Noonan said, and he's right in what he says.
Yeah he is right, and again I repeat - in the context of mass emigration due to LACK OF WORK AND OPPORTUNITIES, as a government minister he should be trying to sort this out and not trying to find excuses (which he so easily found in FF) for his government not curbing the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
So you obviously agree that all us exiles (well over 150,000) are having the time of our lives abroad, and its no way related to the state of the country. Wow:p
Sigh...
No, I don't agree that ALL exiles are having the time of their lives, etc. But I never said that. Some people have emigrated for lifestyle reasons. That is a fact. I know some of them. That doesn't mean all people emigrated for lifestyle reasons, and it doesn't mean that Noonan isn't trying to sort the problem out.
Is this really that hard to understand?
If he stopped blaming the last government for the current mess, and opened a paper or watched the news anytime in the past 4 years, he would see how difficult the economic situation is, and how widespread the emigration issue is. That's not all "a lifestyle choice", it's in many cases, "no choice".Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
But when you have a secure job, you obviously live in a glass house. Same goes for MOL and the rest of them.
No so you agree with me then, lol:)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Why did he bring it up then, what point was he trying to make?
That some of the people left for "lifestyle reasons". Good for them, so..........
Whats next - "some people" bought a 2012 car, "some people" have property and are not in negativity equity, "some people" can afford the tuition fees, and "some people" are doing well, and have employment. That's great news, never knew that at all!!!
I guess FG are working for "some" of the people who voted for them.:D
Yes, but my choice was either a decently-paid engineering job in the UK, or the dole over here, with the possibility of a minimum-wage, unskilled job, if I was lucky. I wouldn't have starved if I'd stayed in Ireland. I mightn't have even had to live off the dole, but it's hardly like I'm waxing surfboards in Australia because I prefer the climate there to Lehinch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
What Noonan said was correct, but it was bound to be picked up on and completely mis-represented. He probably should have known better.
God, not another one!:p