I stand corrected, and happily. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat
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I stand corrected, and happily. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat
Potential Shels (seeded) opponents in 3rd qualifying round.
Real Madrid Esp 146.351
Manchester United Eng 119.510
Deportivo La Coruña Esp 104.351
Liverpool Eng 90.510
Juventus Ita 84.531
Internazionale Ita 82.531
PSV Eindhoven Ned 65.246
Bayer Leverkusen Ger 62.331
Sparta Praha ** Cze 54.915
Anderlecht Bel 49.529
AS Monaco Fra 51.947
Club Brugge ** Bel 43.529
Glasgow Rangers Sco 42.601
Rosenborg BK ** Nor 42.227
PAOK Thessaloniki Gre 41.467
Dinamo Kiev Ukr 41.301
IMO best chance of getting to group stages would be to play & beat the top ranked 2nd round teams (Sparta Prague, Club Brugge or Rosenborg). 3rd round draw is made based on assumption of seeded teams winning round 2 so when you beat them you automatically get 'seeded' in round 3.
Big TV money for draw against top half of that list though.
Of course the sweetest thing of all if Shels were to make the Group Stages - (I know I'm dreaming now) would be that RTE would not be allowed to show "insert your favourite British team" live and would have to televise Shelbourne's games. Of course as a public service broadcaster they could keep showing Police Academy Six instead.
Over the most recent 4 seasons, including this one, our points total is 1.665.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
For the IL it's 1.484.
I would have thought we'd have a lot better record than them alright. I don't think an IL teams has won a round in nearly ten years.
The season before that our points total for one season was 1.666! That was the year Bohs beat Aberdeen and Kaiserlautern.
The problem is EL teams aren't winning enough games. They're drawing a lot of them even when they are going through, like Shels this year against KR.
As said elsewhere intertoto games don't count for points.
Well Glentoran are coming close to it. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
no conspiracy theories here - going through a round doesn't help the coefficient if you then lose both games in the next round. i.e. if Shels lose at home to Hadjuk then Shels and KR will contribute the same to our respective country's coefficients. The really big contributions are home and away wins.
system is pretty fair although no bonus points for getting through.
After next year we will lose 2000/01 season which is a massive loss with Shels v Sloga and Bohs wins v Aberdeen and Kaiserslautern. Bohs will laso lose a club coefficient which very few teams have at our stage as it is only earned by results from September on.
after tonights results we slip to 40th place. see here. Longford have managed to give Liectenstein more points tonight than all their results in the last 5 years combined. :mad:
Greetings Gentlemen (and ladies)
Can someone tell me the no. of points for home wins/draws and away wins/draws for this co-efficient league and do they go up as you get through the rounds?
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Originally Posted by eL Bettor
The basis for the UEFA rankings is the performance of teams in the European Cups during a five year period. During that period each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw. From 1999 on these points are halved for qualification matches: one point for a win and half a point for a draw. One bonus point is allocated for reaching the quarter final, the semi final and the final. Reaching the first round of the Champions League yields one bonus point. The so-called UEFA coefficients are calculated by taking an average, based on the total number of points divided by the total number of teams of each country.
total number of teams in europe, total number of teams who gained the points or total number of league teams?
Total number of teams in europe. all results gained by us are divided by three.
thanks eoin for explaining :)
Co-efficiency league updated. We stay at 40th place. See here
It was only updated at 20:13:17 UTC (it's a Dutch website, so I'm assuming it's on Dutch time), so it won't have taken into account the result tonight yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
no, we had this argument before, it is updated. Its on UTC time.
We now have 0.833 points which is the best we've had since 00/01. With 4 more matches left Shels should at least bring it up to 1. Not looking so bad anymore.:)
I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
well, the round shels go into in the uefa cup you get higher points for draws and wins so its posssible they could surpass bohs points total. By doing that too they would make sure they are seeded for future european adventures!
we are at 2.5 now if they get a draw against depor they'll get another 0.5 which will make 3 divide that by the number of entrants 3 and that = 1. Also a draw in the 1st round proper of the Uefa Cup is worth 1 and 2 for a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
I meant a total of 1 point for 03/04 which would mean 1 draw in any of the 4 matches. I forgot its double points in the UEFA cup proper so I'd be expecting more now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
What exactly does it mean for next years competitions for those that qualify?
Sorry, didn't understand what you meant. I too didn't realise they're were extra points for proper rounds. good stuff. More points hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
To answer bobbyblob - The higher you move up, the more Euro places you get. But I don't think we get anymore until about 20th or something(open to correction). We are only about 40th now. Short term I think the higher we are the better chance we have of drawing a poorer team next year. And thus more points to move up and up.
More of the same. Unseeded in the CL First Round, seeded in the UEFA Cup prelim round. I think...Quote:
Originally Posted by blobbyblob
Ireland remain in 40 th place after tonights draw. getting closer to the countries above us though.......
See here
Thats the job. :)
1st against 40th last night and you woildn't have known it unless you were told. :)
Even a draw for $hel$ in the UEFA CUP 1st round would possibly see the eL into the lofty heights of 35th :eek:
Can't rely on 1 team to get points every year though. Even if shel$ repeated this performance each year not gonna make enough difference.
Still 40th after last nights UEFA Cup qualifers.
Unlikely to be caught by anyone below us thankfully.
Why do Armenia have 4 participants and Leichtenstein have 1 when they're in the area of countries with 3 participants and why do Kazakhstan have 0?
Armenia won the fair play draw for an extra place in Europe. Liechtenstein have no senior league any more, but do have a national cup, which FC Vaduz invariably win (being Swiss Div 2 as opposed to near amateurs), and so only have one team, who go into the UEFA, so it doesn't matter that they're ahead of us. Don't know about Kazakhstan though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShelsTim
Kazakhstan were banned from UEFA competitions weren’t they, might explain their lack of places
Ah, I see, cheers.
Why? .Quote:
Originally Posted by THESAINT2002
There was a fall out between the clubs and the antional association and UEFA wanted it sorted out otherwise no places for European competition
The fall out was among the clubs of azerbaijan not kazakhstan. They didnt compete last season or the sesaon before that because of whatever argument happened.
Kazakhstan clubs didnt compete this season because none of their clubs managed to get a UEFA licenece.
Still 40th after yesterdays games
34 Georgia 5.165 2/ 3
35 Lithuania 4.832 2/ 3
36 Macedonia 4.497
37 Iceland 4.165 2/ 3
38 Belarus 4.082
39 Liechtenstein 4.000 1/ 1
40 Ireland 3.831 1/ 3
41 Armenia 2.998
42 Malta 2.998
After tonights games Ireland jump two places. Our league is now ranked 38th out of 52. See here
Woah, I think I'm getting a nose bleed.
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Originally Posted by ShelsTim
29 Cyprus 8.165
30 Bosnia-Herzegovina 7.165
31 Latvia 6.664
32 Finland 6.54
33 Moldova 6.332
34 Georgia 5.499
35 Lithuania 5.332
36 Iceland 4.498
37 Macedonia 4.497
38 Ireland 4.164
39 Belarus 4.082
40 Liechtenstein 4
41 Armenia 2.998
42 Malta 2.998
43 Albania 2.665
This is the difference between being seeded and unseeded in the 1st qualifying round of next season's champions league.
Ourchampions will now be seeded next year thanks to this draw. No country behind us can catch us now.
Furthermore Shels now have a club coefficient so they will be much more likely to be seeded for the next 5 years
That's good news. How much co-efficent points are a draw and a win worth to Ireland now that it's the first round proper by the way? With the right result away to Lille could we climb to 36th?