It's part of English nature.
It's not part of our culture. Never has been.
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It's part of English nature.
It's not part of our culture. Never has been.
Well said OwlsFan. Booing only creates more problems. If you are that easily offended stay at home.
I don't agree with the booing and would never do it myself. I can see where it came from though, the sheer exasperation of watching a dire performance, void of invention, tempo and basic cohesiveness. I think there's a culture of instant gratfication these days that wasn't there in my fellow old farts' generation. Maybe that's something I'll never get used to, like Facebook.
This idea of booing as something inherently English is nonsense.
People boo because they are dsappointed at a result or performance. It happens in every country in the world.
Watch a French crowd in the 6 Nations rugby. Failure to utterly destroy the opposition by playing beautiful running rugby is inevitably met by booing from the Paris crowd. Somtimes it's serious, sometimes less so.
I can recall being in Germany for Wales's final Euro 2008 qualifier. Germans had already qualified and we drew 0-0. There were boos at half-time and full-time.
The booing and whistling hardly stops in Eastern Europe.
I honestly don't see how you claim it's some sort of English invention.
Personally, I boo when I am extremely disappointed at a performance. If the players have given their all and lost to a better team, I will applaud them off the field, but when you are left feeling that the players have only given a half-arsed performance it ****es me off, especially when I have spent the whole match screaming my lungs out supporting the players, and often travelled quite some way to support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Also, 'old farts'? Was the tongue perhaps slightly in cheek there? Your username would suggest you're 23. Though I agree about Facebook.
The '88 is a reference not to his birth, but to what was another glorious moment for Irish football:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqR2zEIJHY
;)
Well that told me. Always good to see England lose, though. :p
We know.
And no-one was booing that day...
I've never done it myself, nor would I. But as displays of disappointment and disapproval go...I've seen and heard worse than booing tbh.
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Originally Posted by Cymro
It was never inferred that it was an English invention. And that's not what should be taken from what I said.
There has been a cultural shift in Ireland over the past 15 years or so that's more noticeable with younger generations of Irish supporters and not necessarily in soccer alone. Se the booing that Donegal got last week against Dublin. Totally bad form and showed a complete lack of understanding of the game that had just been played.
The overbearing influence of the Angles on our sporting culture has been a contributing influence.
Whilst in the end the performance on Friday was not what we had hoped for it hardly deserved the crescendo it received. I don't condone any sort of that behaviour simply because it is crass and not what should be accepted by "the greatest fans" in the world.
Don't get me wrong I was effing and blinding and cursing some of that second-half to high heaven but I never even considered booing the team off the pitch.
I suppose...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-upsFx_sCuV...-pigs-head.jpg
Or even:
http://www.nuffy.net/pics/articles/field/vibrators.jpg
:bulgy:
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I'm more of a 'quietly seething' type myself. I won't boo a bad performance but if someone were to write the book 'Spree Killers: A portrait', I'd be a page 96 kinda guy right now. Aka 'Chapter 3: The early indications'. :D
I have to say as a fellow seether I feel that the energy created by the fury enables you to get over the hangover that would generally ensue.
That nails it for me. Most football spectators are used to watching Sky Sports with their hyperbole, sound effects, thrilling commentaries, multiple replays, of "skill, power, pace", analysis bull**** etc. When confronted with the rather mundane sight of eleven men kicking a ball around a field, in a tight, non expansive game where the crowd are not roaring their heads off, they get frustrated and feel they're not getting value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I don't understand the negativity about the performance at all and this kind of reaction....It just irritates me(Same goes for the Donegal match analysis and reaction).
In my view it's ignorance caused by not really knowing how normal football fans behave (the 99% of global football fans that are not "big four" EPL fans)
Except booing of cr*p performances or managerial decisions was around a long time before Sky Sports. And is not just restricted to Europe or soccer...
There seems to be some major reinvention of history or some very selective amnesia in this thread.
Value for money depends on who you're talking to. If my team wins, it justifies the expense and the hassle. Others want no less than El Clasico. Do some of these people realise what teams they're watching??Quote:
Originally Posted by del_carroll
was the performance really bad enough to justify (if it ever can be) booing? who are we with our squad of average players to think that a draw against very decent opposition in my view entitles anyone to boo? our lads gave 100% but we just dont have the guile to beat these teams on any kind of regular basis. I was embarrased at the booing to be honest, it was pathetic.
looked at the match again last night. we created as many chances as slovakia did. in fact you could argue that the cox, dunne and keane chances were the best 3 of the match. we had a stone wall pen for the rugby tackle on Andrews at the end denied and even the rte panel thought st ledger was pushed at the end in the build up to the dunne header chance. any of those go in and we hail an incredibly valuable win against our nearest challengers in the group. thats the fine line of international football, maybe some of our "fans" should recognise that
Except they didn't.
And nothing Slovakia did in an attacking sense suggested they were any sort of 'decent' side.
They did defend well though.
Very much facilitated by a very mediocre performance by our manager & team.
Though our centre-backs were acceptable...just.
clarify acceptable. who exactly didnt give their all and play to the best of the ability they had on the night?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
given did what was asked of him. st ledger, dunne and duff were all very good. whelan and andrews did what they always do. ward was adequate in his first compeditive start.
oshea and doyle were disappointing but were clearly not injury free. mcgeady has played about 5 mins since last may and wasnt even nearly match fit.
keane ran his legs off and should have scored. cox and hunt made decent impacts when they came on.
none of this justifys booing.
No, the rest were mediocre at best, for a variety of reasons and the general impression was they were very poor on the night.
Hunt did Ok too, but most of the outfield players were woeful whatever their excuse.
And Trap's attacking 'tactics' here seemed non-existent.
id love to know with whom we could attack any better with?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Duff is a good option but cant go past players anymore. McGeady can go past players but was about 50% match fit at best on the night. We have nobody else, save possible cameo appearances from the likes of hunt and treacy, to create anything for our forwards. We have no ctre mids capable of creating something and thats our big problem.
Jeepers, I hope the squad aren't as precious as some of the people on here.
I don't think there was some particularly ignorant or badly behaved crowd there- with all those empty seats it wasn't exactly a night for bandwagoners. I get deeply uncomfortable when people start to define who is or is not a supporter.
I think the booing was simply a spontaneous manifestation of the frustration and disappointment of many people who had watched Ireland play with a bizarre lack of urgency at times, with a winger who couldn't be more scared of crosses if he was a direct descendent of Count Dracula (who we kept using although Hunt was available to come on and with Duff playing far better), fundamental mistakes and missed chances. It was a game we all felt we probably needed to win, yet a times the team seemed happy with the draw.
So people gave vent to their feelings- so what? If it's something that is really likely to affect any of the players, they probably aren't cut out for international football anyway.
I would never, and to the best of my recollection have never, booed the international side. The only reaction I give to a bad performance is total silence. The sound of 40,000 (or whatever the attendance happens to be) saying nothing is far more effective to me.
Have you ever booed Celtic may I be so bold as to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Football is about entertainment as much as winning. And this is why this team is not captivating the Irish public. TBH watching the game on Saturday morning here was like watching paint dry! Trap's game style is not conducive to the skills of the players and it does frustrate the fans. However, booing your own players does not help nor is it something that is normally associated with any Irish sporting supporters.
Not especially, but plenty of others have.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
And I would definitely agree with them eg. v. Sion in their last European game.
Tends to be more about swearing than booing with most Tims...
;)
Wow, just wow. If Stuttgart88 doesn't ring bells for you, you're no older than 27. And not much of an Ireland fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
I think the user name might hint that he's not much of an Ireland fan...
id guess that poster is a welsh fan. just a hunchQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
Booing is nothing new for Ireland fans. At least half the crowd (mostly those in the stands)booed Mick Martin's every touch of the ball when Ireland drew 3-3 with Spain when Hand was manager. Not the whole game but for the entire last 20 or so minutes of the match. And for a mistake Chris Hughton had made. In comparison the booing the other night was nothing.
It's refreshing to be reminded that people were always idiots. I feel better about missing Cymro's nationality now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
No one is saying that booing never occurred before. Dannys op was burying whether its justified in this instance.
I don't believe so. Some do. That's it.
My earliest memory of Ireland fans booing their team is at the end of McCarthy's reign.
not attending games recently but I think after friday I would have been leaving as soon as final wistle was blown as opposed to booing - too distraught.
however - bonnieshels you specifically related booing to being english culture and then backtracked. There's a real need by certain people here to dissociate "proper ireland supporters" from booing and as such associate with Angles (really?) and english culture. Perhaps you have bigger issues with our larger nation.
I'm sorry guys but not every irish national team supporter is going to subscribe to your world view. If a staunch bohs fan who doesn't visit foot.ie and goes to 2/3 of irish games home and abroad decided to boo - would that ruin your pigeon-hole theory that all booers are barstooling, epl supporting daytrippers?
booing - not all that cool but it's going to happen when teams play badly (not unpretty - but badly - poor passing, no ability to score, awful tackling)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booing
Lol. Well I'm clearly not an Ireland fan, as the others have pointed out and I would hope my three years or so of posting here (including posts actively supporting Wales in our games against the Republic in recent years) would have impressed on the crowd. As for Ireland v England in Stuttgart, I do vaguely recall it, but for some reason the significance of the username Stuttgart88 was hitherto lost on me and I think I assumed it referred to his birthplace/birthdate or something. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by John83