If you believed the bookies (or even paul_oshea), you would have stuck your house, car, and bank account on Partizan qualifying before last Thursday. And would have ended up with egg on your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
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If you believed the bookies (or even paul_oshea), you would have stuck your house, car, and bank account on Partizan qualifying before last Thursday. And would have ended up with egg on your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
As Eamon Sweeney(sorta) said that egg tastes nice. ;)
I am more than happy to acknowledge I got the away leg very wrong, and your optimism while I didn't feel at the time was well grounded in your belief that they would win, you were right. :)
But while we are here you did say they were more than capable of scoring 3 at home against Copenhagen too.
Aston Villa lining up a move for Enda Stevens, apparently: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/tran...cle793090.html
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McLeish is also poised to sign left-back Enda Stevens from Irish side Shamrock Rovers.
He hopes to agree a fee of around £250,000 for Stevens, whose Rovers side upset Partizan Belgrade to reach the Europa League's group stage.
Well if he wouldn't call up Mannus, he'll hardly call up up Turner!Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
According to Dan McDonnell on Twitter, Stevens will join Aston Villa in January.
Just wow. Did not see that coming after Ryan Guy ran him ragged at the Bowl three years ago, after which he was dropped and never played for us again. Still, great to see another former Student moving up in the world; best of luck to him.
When I read this I hoped that they might postpone it until January. This is a win win for both parties, and if he impresses further in the European games then perhaps Rovers can get more money for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Still kinda sad to see this happening after making the breakthrough.
Don't think it's sad at all. It shows players that the LoI is a viable place to go and advance yourself, not just a pub league. It shows young players that they can stay at home, get an education, play LoI and still be able to move to England at 21/22 - and be much the better for it too (compared to moving to England at age 16).
Players move on; that's the way of things for all bar the very top teams in the very top leagues.
I know, and same happened that copehagen side from last year, hence why they are playing in the EL this year. Its great for the league again, as it vindicates players developing here, and then the clubs etc being rewarded for this, and in turn keeping them sustainable.
THe point is more, that after making the breakthrough that you LOI fans wanted so much, that now the team could well be dismantled and pulled apart. Whats left then? Another 10 years before another breakthrough. Its not a conveyor belt of similar talent coming up through the ranks, and they cant go abroad and buy like other European clubs to replace with a similar level.
The likes of Kevin Doyle, Keith Fahey et al have all departed the league but the breakthrough still came. Those who move on are replaced. The departure of Enda Stevens won't be any different.
Ya but what if mccormack goes then and so on and so forth. Key players make that breakthrough happen. Without them it wouldn't happen.
A couple of million in the bank - prize money, transfer fees, TV fees, merchandise income, sponsorship, etc, etc. More local exposure and pride, which they can use to further improve on gates. Plenty of pull to maybe attract some decent Irish players back home. Roy O'Donovan, Dave Mooney, other players you'd see on tet's list. Maybe even a decent manager. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Maybe they won't be able to qualify for the next few years. But this is still just a stepping stone to building the club, not the last stop.
Have the transfers of O'donovan for around 750k benefited cork? Or doyle or Long etc etc? No it (possibly helped) create a new cork city.
The exposure and all other things you have pointed out, was because of the players that are now being linked with moves away from the club.
That exposure wont last long if this is just a one off.
It kept them going for a lot longer than they otherwise would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It doesn't appear Rovers are paying the stupid wages that abounded at the time - E4k a week being the highest rumour I think. That's a major difference between Rovers and Cork.
Ya I know, but they went chasing glory cashing in on these players with reckless owners spending money they didn't have, these sorta transfers didn't help the club. Rovers have built up well on sustainable(i like that word today) wages, I think its going to be very difficult to work within that and replace that extra bit of quality they have and yet attract the same. They can scour the league and buy up all the best players, but that helps no one(particularly other LOI clubs) in the longer term.
I'm not naive enough to think that better players don't move on, but thats not really the point I'm making. Perhaps the leauge is in a position now to hold onto its players for a little longer or at least pay premiums that reflect the players quality.
The transfers did help the club though. They paid for the reckless glory hunting. If Rovers aren't recklessly glory-hunting, they'll be able to put the money to much better use.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yep they will be able to, but that doesn't mean they will unearth some gem in the LOI though.
It could just as easy be argued that the reckless glory hunting never came to fruition because they sold the players capable of doing that for them...
They don't have to. UCD will unearth the gem, and they can buy him off us. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
If they hadn't sold the players, they wouldn't have had the money to keep up the reckless glory hunting as long as they did, and so wouldn't have had time to qualify for the groups (say) before running out of cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
rohan ricketts going to the shams on bcc
was on rte as well.
Would he really be an addition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohan_Ricketts
The rumour was true. Enda Stevens on his way to Aston Villa according to SSN
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11677_7140492,00.html
He's about League One standard, roughly the same as Dean Kelly was when he came in at the start of the season. The fixtures are going to pile up since we're already behind schedule so it makes sense to have an extra striker but I doubt he'd make the bench for the Europa ties. Or he might come in and be brilliant, who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yep so long as he comes in at around the average wage price.
Everyone this side of the water refers to them as Shamrock....
Now most people generally refer to the second name of the team and "pluralise" it depending on the last letter. So I would have assumed everyone called them rovers be default or possibly stretching to shamrocks, but yet everyone is calling them Shamrock...doesn't make sense to me.
Anyway at least Mcleish recognises the deal being good for both parties and acknowledges that, unlike Moyes saying it was a great bit of business - #60k for Seamie Coleman. Thats hardly great business its called stealing or raping in some peoples mind.
Assume they think it's the same as Blackburn Rovers, who nobody outside of Blackburn calls just Rovers. The Sun is the only UK paper I've seen consistently call us Rovers.
McLeish also bought Keith Fahey and put him straight into the Birmingham team, so I reckon he'd have a greater appreciation of the league than Moyes.
Ricketts is a winger, not a striker. Was OK for Toronto FC without being spectacular. He's got the raw talent but never really put it together, and you can see that based on the way he's jumped from club to club.
Hope they haven't broken the bank for him.
Maybe they think the team is from a place called Shamrock.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Weren't they named after a Shamrock Avenue in Dublin? Nevertheless, to me, it would sound as strange as referring to Crystal Palace as "Crystal".Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
near Raith isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
How much €€€'s are Rovers getting out of the Stevens deal?
Presumably he was out of contract at the end of the season and its probably a deal just based on appearances, international appearances etc?
I thought it was £250k
he also bought jay oshea from galway and look what happened there....Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Anyway isn't it great we have 4 pages on a loi team in the Ireland section and still being talked about.
I was thinking the very same thing before I read your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Crystal Palace is odd in that it is named after a 'thing' building rather than a place.
Shamrock were named after Shamrock Avenue, although that itself named after a 'thing'.
Shamrock Rovers have supplied more players to the Republic of Ireland national football team (62) than any other club.
Usually the more unique name is preferred to avoid confusion. (Both Crystal and Palace are unique I think but I guess Crystal sounds more stupid especially
as it is a girls name).
Leyton Orient is another odd one, I think it used to just be called Orient at one time, and maybe still is. Leyton is also a man's name as in Leighton Rees.
Of course the biggest tragedy in the naming of football clubs is that Waterford United were not called Waterford Crystal.
However following receivership it would now be called KPS Capital Partners/Wedgwood, Royal Doulton Holdings Ltd United.
It would be interesting when the fans started chanting, Give us a K-K, Give us a P-P Give us an S-S etc....
As were we named after Shelbourne Road and there was a chance it coulda been Bath FC but for the flip of a coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If this is the anything to do with Shamrock Rvs thread, ex. striker Don Cowan has joined Stevenage from Longford Town.
It's also a woman's name. Leighton Meester from Gossip Girl/The Town. And a surname, Jim Leighton. Strange one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Rigth so - what would we be requiring from the likes of McCormack, McCabe, Dennehy (. . . etc.) tonight and over the coming weeks to properly justify this thread's place in the Ireland section? :p
Incidentally, why is this about Shams in the national team forum?
It's not as if their players are suddenly going to be projected into it??
competency. Actually scratch that, such is some of the plebs considered here at times, a birth cert will do.
Huh?
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