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08/08/2011, 7:16 PM
Sullivinho

SSN now cutting Sir David's speech with the North of Ireland XI lining up for GStQ, head-bowing et al.

I applaud their sense of irony.
08/08/2011, 8:38 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by dantheman

On the OWC forum, apparently he is a Provo *****. Some are calling for Catholics to be excluded from future youth squads!

Have you a link to these comments...I had a look on OWC and couldn't see any such comments?
08/08/2011, 9:09 PM
Predator

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Have you a link to these comments...I had a look on OWC and couldn't see any such comments?

Perhaps they've been removed or edited, but I also saw him being labeled a provo. It's the usual kind of bitter name calling that emerges when a player opts to play for the FAI that makes OWC fans nothing but an absolute laughing stock.
08/08/2011, 9:17 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Predator

Perhaps they've been removed or edited, but I also saw him being labeled a provo.

In fairness, James makes no secret of his support for the Provos - it was highlighted on this very Forum that he displayed his support on Facebook.

I'm more interested in the other alleged comments about "calling for Catholics to be excluded from future youth squads!" - perhaps dantheman will post a link to said comments.
08/08/2011, 9:46 PM
dantheman

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Have you a link to these comments...I had a look on OWC and couldn't see any such comments?

http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/ind...dpost&p=725827

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after todays news i tend to agree with you, they are Irish catholics and are only interested in playing for the ROI (end of story) the longer this goes on the more my blood boils so just forget about them and try to gain more players from the mainland. Gerry will be the man for the job.

Impressive!!
08/08/2011, 9:49 PM
ifk101

A simple phone call before naming the squad would avoid all this fuss or maybe creating a media fuss was the IFA's intention.
08/08/2011, 10:04 PM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_McLean

A "**** up" by the IFA at the time.

Rule changes mean the IFA could now call him up.

Not wishing to be antagonistic :rolleyes:, but are you sure? According to Wiki, that is.
But will he be? Would back your judgement on this one.

And out of interest, when did that U-21 rule come into force?
Anyone know?
08/08/2011, 10:05 PM
BonnieShels

I've firmly believed that they have consistently attempted to embarrass all of the "recruits" knowing full well that they have no intention of ever turning out for the Province.

Or they are idiots...

yeah it's hard to know.
08/08/2011, 10:17 PM
SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.
08/08/2011, 10:18 PM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

In fairness, James makes no secret of his support for the Provos - it was highlighted on this very Forum that he displayed his support on Facebook.

I'm more interested in the other alleged comments about "calling for Catholics to be excluded from future youth squads!"

No offence, but he said he supports SF. Know there's a lot of paranoia about that in the Unionist community, but can assure you that not every current SF supporter 'supports the Provos' or anything like, so that's a slight slur on McClean?

As for the other quote, it doubtless comes from someone who probably supports the 'extreme' end of loyalism, but it doesn't automatically make them a 'terrorist supporter' either....
08/08/2011, 10:33 PM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.

You are lampooning us??
:rolleyes:
08/08/2011, 10:49 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.

3 pages in 24 hours is not bad going. He's definitely moving as quick as Ferguson in that regard.
08/08/2011, 11:25 PM
gastric

A big thank you to Nigel for his continued incompetence. It was mentioned somewhere recently that pastoral care of young players was deemed essential if NI was to keep players. Worthington's attitude and treatment of players like Mannus shows he doesn't really get this. Also, this continued bilge of sectaranism will really help young players make a decision to switch to the real Ireland football team.
09/08/2011, 3:41 AM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.

Granted, this young mans recent bout of chicanery, clearly aimed at securing a massive foot.ie thread, and little else, has seen him off to a flyer, he has however made a couple of schoolboy errors which will cost him a thread of any significance in its length, in my opinion, firstly, he will pay for his honesty in putting the matter to bed nice and early, at the first opportunity in fact, and secondly, there is the lack of a Scottish mum in the equation. These factors will see Ferguson remain a figure of interest for longer in this particular matter, but here's to them both being under discussion here for many years to come.
09/08/2011, 4:19 AM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Granted, this young mans recent bout of chicanery, clearly aimed at securing a massive foot.ie thread, and little else, has seen him off to a flyer, he has however made a couple of schoolboy errors which will cost him a thread of any significance in its length, in my opinion, firstly, he will pay for his honesty in putting the matter to bed nice and early, at the first opportunity in fact, and secondly, there is the lack of a Scottish mum in he equation. These factors will see Ferguson remain a figure of interest for longer in this particular matter, but here's to them both being under discussion here for many years to come.

All true CTP - we can only pray that some ill informed comments from Worthington or some poor analysis from the Belfast Telegraph will see a perturbed Danny help the young lad creep past 10 pages. After that, its anyones guess. I mean, who could have predicted Fergusons meteoric rise?
09/08/2011, 5:00 AM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Sullivinho

"But I've said before if you don't want to come and play for Northern Ireland, don't abuse the shirt, don't abuse the nation, don't insult the manager and the IFA by claiming you want to come and play in a friendly. Players have done that in previous years where they feel we're not sure, we haven't decided where we want to play, can we come and play in a meaningless friendly where it doesn't mean much, mixing amongst the lads for three or four days and then disappear off the face of the earth where we don't see them again. Don't abuse it, don't abuse the shirt. Northern Ireland's always been a place where we've prided ourselves on great pride and passion so don't come in and abuse our wee country."

As was pondered on MNS last night, to whom is Healy even referring? It's certainly not McClean. Actually, I can't think of anyone who fits the rather general characterisation outlined by Healy. Maybe Adam Barton - I can see how he might be cast as a bit of a chancer - but then that wasn't years ago either.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Have you a link to these comments...I had a look on OWC and couldn't see any such comments?

I definitely came across similar myself somewhere. I think it was on OWC, but couldn't be certain. Possibly it was on the OWC's Facebook page even. Either way, whether McClean is open about his support for Sinn F�in or not, I still sense that the use of such the tag "provo" in the context was intended strictly as a slur or in a pejorative sense. It was basically another way for someone, probably of a unionist or loyalist persuasion, to besmirch McClean as "scum" and to discredit the legitimacy of his motives as "out-of-order" and "sectarian".

Edit: AB and Bonnie; I'd initially posted it here, but I've responded in the eligibility thread to earlier points you'd made as it was probably more appropriate to place the responses there rather than here, although with the natural cross-over that you're going to get in a topic like this, it's hard to know what's to be considered appropriate and irrelevant.
09/08/2011, 5:01 AM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.

I think you've pre-empted me, but who knows? When the time comes, the inclusion of your above two comments might just happen to push this thread on to its 29th page. :p
09/08/2011, 9:35 AM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

3 pages in 24 hours is not bad going. He's definitely moving as quick as Ferguson in that regard.

Well both are known to have bags of pace...
09/08/2011, 10:55 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by SkStu

i think the real question in all this is whether McLean can hope to get to 29 pages like Shane Ferguson did. Exciting times ahead for this thread.

Surprised it took three pages to get the usual moan in. McClean is unlikely to be capped by us anytime soon so it's probably best to avoid this thread in future as his "switch" rather than his footballing abilities will be the topic of discussion.

Expect another "Shane Ferguson", "James McClean" etc etc thread the next time NI announce their squad for their September games.
09/08/2011, 11:02 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Not wishing to be antagonistic :rolleyes:, but are you sure? According to Wiki, that is.
But will he be? Would back your judgement on this one.

And out of interest, when did that U-21 rule come into force?
Anyone know?

Here's another link confirming the blunder made by the IFA over McLean.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/4905764.stm

As the "before the age of 21" rule no longer is in place, my understanding is that McLean would now be eligible to play for Northern Ireland.

The "before the age of 21" rule was scraped a couple of years ago.
09/08/2011, 11:05 AM
Not Brazil

[QUOTE=ArdeeBhoy;1517302]No offence, but he said he supports SF. Know there's a lot of paranoia about that in the Unionist community, but can assure you that not every current SF supporter 'supports the Provos' or anything like, so that's a slight slur on McClean?
/QUOTE]

No, I don't think it's a slur.

Provisional Sinn Fein = "Provo".

Unless, of course, James is a supporter of the other Sinn Fein, ie. Republican Sinn Fein.

Not that it really matters.
09/08/2011, 11:11 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Impressive!!

What a silly comment.

Any "Irish Catholic" who wants to play for Northern Ireland, should definately not be forgot about.

Players, from whatever religious background, who do not want to play for Northern Ireland are the ones that should be forgot about.
09/08/2011, 11:50 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No, I don't think it's a slur.

Provisional Sinn Fein = "Provo".

Unless, of course, James is a supporter of the other Sinn Fein, ie. Republican Sinn Fein.

Not that it really matters.

That's not what was meant and you know it.

In any case the party is referred to as Sinn Fein without the prefix unlike Republican Sinn Fein which used the prefix to distinguish itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in
09/08/2011, 2:18 PM
dantheman

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No, I don't think it's a slur.

Provisional Sinn Fein = "Provo".

Unless, of course, James is a supporter of the other Sinn Fein, ie. Republican Sinn Fein.

Not that it really matters.

Provo = member of Provisional IRA (now defunct)

Because James McLean does not want to play for NI he, like Shane Duffy, is a Provo.

Therefore any northern nationalist who does not wish to play for NI is a member of the Provisional IRA!

Dear oh dear..
09/08/2011, 2:49 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

In any case the party is referred to as Sinn Fein without the prefix unlike Republican Sinn Fein which used the prefix to distinguish itself.

Sometimes.

http://www.sinnfein.org/index2.html

What's the problem?

Member of Provisional Sinn Fein = Provo.

Supporter of Provisional Sinn Fein = Provo supporter.
09/08/2011, 2:51 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Therefore any northern nationalist who does not wish to play for NI is a member of the Provisional IRA!

That's some leap of logic.

However:

Supporter of Provisional Sinn Fein = Provo supporter.

It's not rocket science.
09/08/2011, 3:10 PM
Sullivinho

Sunderland move confirmed

Onwards to page 5!
09/08/2011, 3:17 PM
cufc champions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Sometimes.

http://www.sinnfein.org/index2.html

What's the problem?

Member of Provisional Sinn Fein = Provo.

Supporter of Provisional Sinn Fein = Provo supporter.

Why would any Irish Republican want to for ye, with an attitude like that.
Onwards and upwards hopefully every kid in Derry and Belfast and other areas of the 6 counties of republican persuasion declares for us if given the opportunity to play for Northern Ireland.
09/08/2011, 3:34 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by cufc champions

Why would any Irish Republican want to for ye, with an attitude like that.
Onwards and upwards hopefully every kid in Derry and Belfast and other areas of the 6 counties of republican persuasion declares for us if given the opportunity to play for Northern Ireland.

You tell me why any Irish Republican would want to play for Northern Ireland - it's really quite baffling?

An Irish Republican would surely want to play for the Republic Of Ireland - the clue is in "Republican".

Any true Irish Republican would be going against Irish Republican idealology to play for Northern Ireland - the IFA being a British Association, as per FIFA Statutes.

Perhaps it's time for the IFA to assume that Irish Republicans' default position is to want to play for the Republic of Ireland?

If an eligible Irish Republican subsequently decides to go against his political principles, he could contact the IFA and let them know that he is interested in playing for Northern Ireland - that makes sense, doesn't it?

I agree with you - the sooner those of a "republican persuasion" decide the live up to their "republican" credentials/principles, and reject any Northern Ireland call up (at any age group) the better. They shouldn't sully their Irish Republican credentials by accepting a call up for "The occupied Six".

Strange thing for an Irish Republican to be representing, let alone giving credance to, Northern Ireland.

Those players, of whatever persuasion/background, who want to play for Northern Ireland are the players Northern Ireland fans want to see in the emerald green of Northern Ireland.

PS: It wasn't me who expressed support for Provisional Sinn Fein on my Facebook page.

PPS: There are no circumstances whatsoever under which I would play for any team representing the Republic of Ireland, inspite of my eligibility to do so. I would leave that honour to someone for whom it was their boyhood dream to represent the Republic Of Ireland.
09/08/2011, 4:04 PM
Carrigaline

Ah jeez, not this again.

The sooner we have a non-sectarian island of Ireland team, the better. If rugby can have an all-Ireland league and team without killing each other, then soccer can too.
09/08/2011, 4:08 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

The sooner we have a non-sectarian island of Ireland team, the better. If rugby can have an all-Ireland league and team without killing each other, then soccer can too.

Ah jeez, not this again.
09/08/2011, 4:08 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

Ah jeez, not this again.

The sooner we have a non-sectarian island of Ireland team, the better. If rugby can have an all-Ireland league and team without killing each other, then soccer can too.

Ah jeez, not this again.

There is an "All Ireland" team - it is operated by the FAI. I'm sure most of it's supporters would consider it "a non sectarian island of Ireland team".

Anyone from this island can choose to play for it.

Please respect the choice of those who don't, and who want to play for Northern Ireland.
09/08/2011, 4:32 PM
dantheman

Only way around this is for the FAI to bite the bullet and set up proxy training camps in Belfast & Derry (ie not under the FAI banner itself, but under a company that will follow the same FAI training manual). It should put an end to the matter once and for all.

Funding from Stormont should be made available for the camp. I am sure that Derry City and one of the Belfast Clubs would be happy to get involved in such a project.
09/08/2011, 4:36 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Funding from Stormont should be made available for the camp.

That's just taking the ****!
09/08/2011, 4:43 PM
Carrigaline

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Only way around this is for the FAI to bite the bullet and set up proxy training camps in Belfast & Derry (ie not under the FAI banner itself, but under a company that will follow the same FAI training manual).

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. These kids are Northern Irish citizens, their parents pay taxes to the United Kingdom, which go towards providing for facilities. The FAI have no business whatsoever in setting up seperate training camps.
09/08/2011, 4:45 PM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman

Only way around this is for the FAI to bite the bullet and set up proxy training camps in Belfast & Derry (ie not under the FAI banner itself, but under a company that will follow the same FAI training manual). It should put an end to the matter once and for all.

Another way round it would be for the FAI to locate "camps" in Dundalk & Donegal, for example - hardly out of the way for any Northern Irish lads to get too.

That way there's no need for "proxy" anything.
09/08/2011, 4:57 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by gastric

Hold on to your keyboards everyone as this thread becomes the scene of the same old arguments! Good on you James.

You were right.
09/08/2011, 5:04 PM
dantheman

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Another way round it would be for the FAI to locate "camps" in Dundalk & Donegal, for example - hardly out of the way for any Northern Irish lads to get too.

That way there's no need for "proxy" anything.

Dundalk is a bit of a drive from Belfast in fairness.

How about the grounds of Stormont? It would be a good place, I see there was an Edward Carson hurling tournament there a few days ago.

Failing that we continue as we do now, the Public funded IFA training ALL kids from NI who then get to choose at an appropriate age their international career (with no whinging from OWC fans!)
09/08/2011, 5:07 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Dundalk is a bit of a drive from Belfast in fairness.

Yer arse - it's an hours drive.
09/08/2011, 5:07 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by dantheman

Dundalk is a bit of a drive from Belfast in fairness.

How about the grounds of Stormont? It would be a good place, I see there was an Edward Carson hurling tournament there a few days ago.

Failing that we continue as we do now, the Public funded IFA training ALL kids from NI who then get to choose at an appropriate age their international career (with no whinging from OWC fans!)

I take it you're on a wind-up?

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