2011 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship

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Originally Posted by faigirl

Up until this comment I could follow your point but to suggest that Williams be dropped for McGinty is beyond belief, he is playing week in week out Villa reserves, he was also outstanding in the elite phase too.

I think it is disrespectful to their achievements to say the best players have been left out of the squad, hopefully they will have the doubters eating their words (as you were when you criticised the selection for the elite phase!).

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Fair enough I didnt mean to be disrespectful to williams I was simply pointing out that if McGinty was good enough to be a first choice in 2009/10 season for the under 19s and again at the beginning of 2010/11 and has had a good club season winning an fa youth cup then it seems unfair he has been droped for missing a tournament because of the Fa youth cup final. The previous season williams and devine were in an Fa youth cup for villa against cliffords chelsea. Im sure they would have had to miss out on international football if there had been a clash.I hope williams, devine , burke and drennan at villa all get a chance with villa this season and have great careers.

I absolutely did eat my words and admitted to it after they qualified and I hope I do again. I just think it is terrible that doolin has now created the impresssion that duffy, mcGinty and Brady and McEleney do not want to play for their country which is something that is likely to follow them for the rest of their careers

Well, McEleney had opportunities to demonstrate that he wanted to play for Ireland at this level and failed to do so. That doesn't mean he has turned his back on Ireland.

If there is a 'stigma' likely to follow, that depends on the attitude of the players. It is rare that a 'stigma' affects the fortunes of a player with a genuine interest in playing for his country. Two players in particular who had problems at youth level, Ireland and Stokes, were given every and some opportunity respectively, to alter their image.

Good point about Ireland and Stokes.

Mark O'Brien didn't make the squad either I think. He's supposed to be very good I thought.

A team good enough to beat Italy 3-0 must be decent enough though.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Fair enough I didnt mean to be disrespectful to williams I was simply pointing out that if McGinty was good enough to be a first choice in 2009/10 season for the under 19s and again at the beginning of 2010/11 and has had a good club season winning an fa youth cup then it seems unfair he has been droped for missing a tournament because of the Fa youth cup final. The previous season williams and devine were in an Fa youth cup for villa against cliffords chelsea. Im sure they would have had to miss out on international football if there had been a clash.I hope williams, devine , burke and drennan at villa all get a chance with villa this season and have great careers.

I absolutely did eat my words and admitted to it after they qualified and I hope I do again. I just think it is terrible that doolin has now created the impresssion that duffy, mcGinty and Brady and McEleney do not want to play for their country which is something that is likely to follow them for the rest of their careers

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As far as I remember in 2009/2010 McGinty was first choice for the Under 17's (captain) and he played only a few games for the under 19's, and just because a player did well last season doesn't mean he will this season. I actually think McGinty is a good player and if anything he should be in ahead of one of the peripheral players who are in to cover the left back position, as he has played left back for the Manchester united academy last season, however like I said Williams is outstanding and as fas as I knew he was in ahead of others at the start of the campaign but he was injured.


As far as the other lads, it seems clear from Duffy's dad's post that the lad obviously has his own ideas about how a manager should treat/manage the boys, this may have contributed to why he isn't in. If I had the chance to play for my country I would do a bleep test every day if that guaranteed my selection- buts that just me. I had thought previously that Duffy and Brady were going to be selected for the under 21's and that's why they are not in. I never got the impression from Doolin that he was suggesting these 4 lads didn't want to play, I heard him say that he went with what he thought was the best team. But everyone is going to have a problem with some selection.


As for your question earlier I heard that Kevin Knight has been approached by a number of clubs in Scotland, I hope he gets somewhere as he is a good lad and he had a good season with Leicester last year.

Anyway I am off to pack my suncream for Romania...anyone else going?

I wish this team all the best. Its a shame that the lads being spoke about on here not been picked, Doolers would need to cop himself on. I think he has done a great job on getting us to the Finals but once again Ireland will be at a major tournament without some of its best players.

Have to say that nothing surprises me about people who work for FAI.

Overall, the structures are a complete joke. The emerging talent system is a joke. The coaches are also Jokes. The vast majority of the FAI coaches only start snooping about Kennedy Cup teams a number off months before the Kennedy Cup just to be seen to be doing something.

I have still to see many players emerge from these systems. We need to start asking the FAI some serious questions about these structures. Pointless and a complete waist of time and resources.

I would advise anybody on here with talented youngsters or potential players for the future Dont let these loosers wreck their prospects.

Lets hope we dont see defections to the North from both sides of the border.

Welcome.

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Originally Posted by faigirl

As for your question earlier I heard that Kevin Knight has been approached by a number of clubs in Scotland, I hope he gets somewhere as he is a good lad and he had a good season with Leicester last year.

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Any idea why he was released? I thought he had been doing well also.

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Originally Posted by faigirl

Anyway I am off to pack my suncream for Romania...anyone else going?

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No, nice trip to have though, enjoy.

Duffy's dad seems a total helicopter parent. Doolin's comment was probably laid squarely at Brady and, perhaps, McEleney too. Unless he knows something we don't, Duffy is just not in the team because Doolin is sticking with the winning team.

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Originally Posted by cestlavie

Lets hope we dont see defections to the North from both sides of the border.

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I don't think there's too much to worry about. Irish nationality doesn't admit anyone an entitlement to declare for the IFA.

I wouldnt be too sure about that.

Your 100% when you say that but alot of people have been born in the North who live in the south especially in places like Donegal, Altnagalvin Hospital in Derry has seen hundreds if not 1000's of births from people from across the border.

Like Shay Given, of course. :p

Sure, I know well. I know quite a few of them.

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Originally Posted by faigirl

I never got the impression from Doolin that he was suggesting these 4 lads didn't want to play, I heard him say that he went with what he thought was the best team. But everyone is going to have a problem with some selection.

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Never? What about when he stated that he wanted players who want to play in the aftermath of the discussion of these three? The implication being that they don't want to play, of course.

Has there been any explanation as to why Brady was beyond contact? I see some in the media are casting it as a snub with parallels being drawn to Stephen Ireland: http://www.thescore.ie/is-robbie-bra...71111-Jul2011/

If anyone's interested, we had a chat with John O'Sullivan about the upcoming tournament. Lovely fella, real honest and open.
http://greenscene.me/2011/07/intervi...ohn-osullivan/

I find this quote very interesting;

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“It was great to start playing with them, the reserves is much more about football, about playing football. Youth level is all about the physical aspect of it, everyone is out there trying to impress, while in the reserves you just get the ball and play.”

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It doesn't say a lot for the academy system in England when the youth level is "all about the physical aspect of it". If anything the physical aspect should be what steps up when they move to the reserve level with the skills and footballing being the priority for the youths.

Building strength must be one of the main things at youth level over there while the players are still growing, whereas by the time you get to reserves you're an adult. I'd imagine that's the reasoning behind it.

That doesn't really sound like what he's saying though. He's seems to be suggesting the games themselves are a lot more physical at youth level. There's obviously going to be strenght programmes in a fully professional environment, although I don't really think younger players should be trying to build a lot of muscle while their bodies are still growing.

nice comment there about how Andrews helps the younger lads out, even though he gets a lot of abuse from the fans

It's gonna be hot out there.
The games should be streamed online?

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Originally Posted by geysir

It's gonna be hot out there.
The games should be streamed online?

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I do remember watching one of the games from the U17 championships online, think it was against the Swiss

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According to the tournament thread - http://foot.ie/threads/88939-U-17-Championships - it was actually the France game that was online
anyone care to do a "where are they now" on the squad from the championships? AlaskaFox?

(Then in brackets)
Ger Hanley (Salthill Devon) - Mervue United
Gavin Carlin (West Bromwich Albion) - Notts County

Pauric Ormsby (Crumlin United) - University of Texas Scorpions
Richie Towell (Celtic) - Celtic
Johnny Dunleavy (Wolverhampton Wanderers) - Unattached
Mark Connolly (Wolverhampton Wanderers) - Bolton
Kallum Keane (Derby County) - Exeter
Gavin Gunning (Blackburn Rovers) - Blackburn
Shaun Timmins (Birmingham City) - Birmingham

Aaron Doran (Blackburn Rovers) - Blackburn
Conor Clifford (Chelsea) - Chelsea
Conor Hourihane (Sunderland) - Ipswich
John Sullivan (Crumlin United) - Shelbourne
Gearoid Morrissey (Ringmahon Rangers) - Cork City
Greg Cunningham (Manchester City) - Man City

Paul Murphy (Ipswich Town) - Waterford Utd
Darragh Satelle (Crumlin United) - Shamrock Rovers
Robert Brady (Manchester United) - Man Utd

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

That doesn't really sound like what he's saying though. He's seems to be suggesting the games themselves are a lot more physical at youth level. There's obviously going to be strenght programmes in a fully professional environment, although I don't really think younger players should be trying to build a lot of muscle while their bodies are still growing.

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From speaking to him, I don't think that's what he meant. Must be my fault for transcribing it that way :D

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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox

Pauric Ormsby (Crumlin United) - University of Texas Scorpions

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If I ever go back to a centre of higher learning, that's where I want to go.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox

From speaking to him, I don't think that's what he meant. Must be my fault for transcribing it that way :D

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Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.

Hopefully they can go on and win the tournament.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Duffy's dad seems a total helicopter parent. Doolin's comment was probably laid squarely at Brady and, perhaps, McEleney too. Unless he knows something we don't, Duffy is just not in the team because Doolin is sticking with the winning team.

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That doesn't really explain Duffy's omission from the second qualifying squad that went to Poland, which, from what I've heard, is allegedly down to a previous training ground disagreement. In fact, Duffy was instead included in King's U21s to play Cyprus and was the youngest of that group. Doolin's comment was quite reckless. It was said in the context of questions regarding Brady, McGinty and Duffy and serves to paint them as lacking interest in playing for Ireland. It takes two to tango and I don't believe that it's simply a case of players not wanting to play for Ireland.

That's true. I mean there'd even be a difference between not wanting to play for Ireland and not wanting to play for Doolin, although there's no suggestion there that Duffy snubbed him or anything.

as far as I have heard he has been a casualty of the first teams overspending last season, basically, according to a someone I was talking to recently the first team spent a lot last season and they expected to be promoted because that didn't happen the club had to make serious cuts.

He is a good player and a nice lad hopefully he gets somewhere soon

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Welcome.



Any idea why he was released? I thought he had been doing well also.






No, nice trip to have though, enjoy.

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Originally Posted by faigirl

as far as I have heard he has been a casualty of the first teams overspending last season, basically, according to a someone I was talking to recently the first team spent a lot last season and they expected to be promoted because that didn't happen the club had to make serious cuts.

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Seems harsh and inconsistent with the way that club are spending money at present, some big signings with more en route and a manager who last week said of the finances that there was no limit, promotion was the goal and all financial resources were available in order to achieve it. Also I believe Leicester redeveloped their training academy recently, spent considerably on that too.

I think maybe more likely the club can now buy answers to its first eleven problems and although two academy lads look like they will be involved with the first team this season, other lads who maybe looked longer odds to make first team players were let go as the club doesnt at present desperately need to develop its talent. Maybe Knight was in that category.

But I hope to see him at a good club soon too.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Seems harsh and inconsistent with the way that club are spending money at present, some big signings with more en route and a manager who last week said of the finances that there was no limit, promotion was the goal and all financial resources were available in order to achieve it.

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That's easy for a Limerick fan to say!

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

That's easy for a Limerick fan to say!

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We are coming CD, we are coming. Soon, Limerick / Shams will be a Premier Division fixture again. Proper order too.

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Have to say that nothing surprises me about people who work for FAI.

Overall, the structures are a complete joke. The emerging talent system is a joke. The coaches are also Jokes. The vast majority of the FAI coaches only start snooping about Kennedy Cup teams a number off months before the Kennedy Cup just to be seen to be doing something. [/QUOTE

On a related but not so related topic. I have to agree that those in the FAI (collectively) are a joke. Why so? Well all I have to do is turn on the Copa America and take a look at Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Venezuala, all countries with less resources (financially) than Ireland, yet ones who play the game light years ahead of us.

The ball control, the picking of a pass, the movement off the ball. Chile can turn defence into attack with an array of passes that is almost Barcelonaesque.

How did those players get so good? How were they coached as youngsters in comparison to our kids?
The FAI are responsible for putting the systems in place to coach our kids. But all we produce is hoofball artists. When are things going to change?

Whatever the rights and wrongs of these players inclusion, the role of these managers is also to build long term positive relationships with all players. This seems to be missed and is clearly not evaluated or deemed part of their success criteria (ironic Given it was all Givens claimed!!).

Seems more like who can best mirror a 1950's Jesuit.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

On a related but not so related topic. I have to agree that those in the FAI (collectively) are a joke. Why so? Well all I have to do is turn on the Copa America and take a look at Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Venezuala, all countries with less resources (financially) than Ireland, yet ones who play the game light years ahead of us.

The ball control, the picking of a pass, the movement off the ball. Chile can turn defence into attack with an array of passes that is almost Barcelonaesque.

How did those players get so good? How were they coached as youngsters in comparison to our kids?
The FAI are responsible for putting the systems in place to coach our kids. But all we produce is hoofball artists. When are things going to change?

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Basic lesson in economics for that man please. Venezuela is one of the biggest oil producers in the world, for example. Exactly what resources does the FAI (or Ireland) have right now?

The rest of the debate has been conducted elsewhere recently.

Let's have a look at the U19s later in the month and see if anything has changed. I don't think we beat Italy 3-0 by playing hoofball.

I don't think anyone here (pro-, anti- or neatral towards the FAI) wouldn't love to see a more sophisticated football culture here, but easier said than done I reckon. I'm neutral - because I'm reserving opinion until I understand exactly what the development ethos is in Ireland (now, not 5 years ago) and that's why I think a Q&A session with Koevermans would be interesting.

I can't comment on the standard, but this year's LOI is unfolding as a thriller. The teams' forthcoming European games will be interesting to benchmark progress. Remember there are around 10 LOI developed players in or around the national team at this point in time.

Kicked off our tournament preview today with Czech Republic:
http://greenscene.me/2011/07/2011-eu...zech-republic/

The tournament will be broadcast on Eurosport. Czech Republic vs Ireland airs on saturday 23rd at 5:00pm.

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Originally Posted by Sullivinho

The tournament will be broadcast on Eurosport. Czech Republic vs Ireland airs on saturday 23rd at 5:00pm.

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http://greenscene.me/wp-content/uplo...11fixtures.png

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On-topic this attempt, if I'm lucky. I'm guessing our other games will be streamed somewhere even if Eurosport aren't showing them? Do UEFA stream under-age games without commentary on their site? I know FIFA streamed the Irish games from the Under-17 Women's World Cup last year.

I don't suppose RTÉ are bothered. Didn't they broadcast the final live in 1998? I think I remember watching it live anyway with Hamilton commentating.

Effing typical. I leave for holidays at lunchtime on 23rd!

I see England didn't make it to this level.

The betting looks open enough
3/1 Spain
13/2 Turkey, Czech rep.
9/1 Romania, Irl, Belg, Greece
15/1 Serbia

Spain are also 3/1 to be Euro 2012 champions.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Effing typical. I leave for holidays at lunchtime on 23rd!

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